Vista - Will it Fly or Fall

[mediator]

Re: Vista - Chalega ki Doobega?

Or if you are stupid/daring enough to want to run windows viruses under wine.

Pondering over that, I guess those viruses also wont be able to do anything from wine tooo coz the working of monolithic kernel is different from microkernel. Have u experimented with such an interesting case or know about it? I wud like to experiment on that.

 

[tarey_g]

Re: Vista - Chalega ki Doobega?

^^ In fact some one did that , I read on digg , some one tried to run windows viruses thru wine in his ubuntu installation .

*www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=72598

 

[mehulved]

Re: Vista - Chalega ki Doobega?

Pondering over that, I guess those viruses also wont be able to do anything from wine tooo coz the working of monolithic kernel is different from microkernel. Have u experimented with such an interesting case or know about it? I wud like to experiment on that.

Check the thread that tarey gave. Somebody else also gave out this thread in Chit Chat section yesterday.
Viruses will run but only within the wine environment. It won't affect your system as such. Though, the damage won't be done to your system, but the virus will try to create network connections and spread to other computers from your computer. This can cause an increase in network traffic and slow down your network and overall internet, when spread in large numbers.
Another thing it can do is, multiply exponentially, so as to eat up huge system resources and crash your system. But, once wine is stopped the viruses are uneffective. But, it doesn't apply to all the viruses, only a few which depend of API's that have been implemented in wine.

 

[mediator]

Re: Vista - Chalega ki Doobega?

Disappointing! They dont even come close to MS-blasterworm and only create files etc. Everything is halted at "ctrl+c". I guess a buggy software can be more annoying than this!

 

[gdatuk]

Re: Vista - Chalega ki Doobega?

His list goes so....
1. It's expensive
2. It doesn't offer features promised that would have made it a contender, in essence, it's too little too late.
3. Many home and business computers won't be able to run it, cutting a huge slice out of their market share.
4. Its 5,000 different versions will leave users shocked and confused as to which one is right for their needs.
5. Dell, the world's biggest PC corporation is now giving users the option to not have Windows pre-installed on their computer.
6. Linux is free and is all the time getting new features and programs that make a switch beneficial to the uncertain user.
7. Apple is hip with the young crowd and the early adopters, meaning that Vista won't be as well received with them.
8. Security is an issue and probably won't be fixed for a while to come.
9. Even if your computer can run it, many features that are graphically intensive won't be runnable or will run slowly.

Dont agree to most of ur points
1. Everything is costly when launched, when the product breakseven, it will be cheap. so....WAIT
2. No matter late, its latest
3. Yes agree, they have to upgrade hardware...else...be happy with XP
4. Only 4 version.....and its so simple to find what u want....(XP has 3 versions....Linux has 5000000 versions)
5.Dell is giving away vista installed systems as very low rate compared to xp installed systems...
6. Linux been there for a long time..but not on ordinary man's PC...
7. iTunes now works smoothly with vista
8. Security patches are released now and then....
9. Same as point 3

 

[Aberforth]

Re: Vista - Chalega ki Doobega?

^^ Said something sensible. As long as Windows is pre-installed in computers and support is available we cannot except the doom of it too soon. Linux needs a few smoothing out before it gts into everyone's desktop PC, to pose a real threat to Vista. When Windows 95 was launched it cost Rs. 9000 but still people were crazy to buy it.

 

[digitmagsubscriber]

Re: Vista - Chalega ki Doobega?

hehehe vista doobega!!!!!!1!! LOL

 

[DukeNukem]

Re: Vista - Chalega ki Doobega?

doobega. no doubt about that. even though it may rake up some fortunes for microsoft but i believe that its cost will pull it down, at least in india. there is not much new in vista as compared to other windows versions..

nice pic and id

nothing from microsoft side sinks (completely)

 

[ECE0105]

Re: Vista - Chalega ki Doobega?

Have you tried to look beyond the top of it? The anti-viruses exist to protect client which make the use of linux as the server. Or if you are stupid/daring enough to want to run windows viruses under wine. Show me any linux based viruses in the wild. Yeah proof of concept viruses do exist but they don't do anything per se. It maybe possible for linux to have viruses in the future, but it won't be as much as what we see on windows. As it is, for now, we don't need to worry about viruses.

Don't worry... Once Linux gains atleast 50% of the Market share of Windows... It might start having the same number of security exploits as well....

And Nope... I am not a Windows Fan(atic) or a Linux or Mac Hater... Just posting wat I see and wat I presume wud happen....

 

[mehulved]

Re: Vista - Chalega ki Doobega?

Don't worry... Once Linux gains atleast 50% of the Market share of Windows... It might start having the same number of security exploits as well....

And Nope... I am not a Windows Fan(atic) or a Linux or Mac Hater... Just posting wat I see and wat I presume wud happen....

presumption doesn't work as well as knowledge. *nix is a tried and tested architecture. And it's way stronger then Windows. Only way your theory can come true is that they mess completely with the internals of linux.

 

[caleb]

Re: Vista - Chalega ki Doobega?

As long as Linux is kept away from serious Gaming front of computing than Vista will not just "Chalega" but "Doudega"...Gaming is a multi billion dollar industry and there is nothing like windows for gaming when it comes to computers. Also the perception of linux by most corporate companies is that of a "college geek" image. Until those 2 things change (i.e. linux' perception by corporates & serious gaming for linux) Vista will reign.

 

[freshseasons]

Re: Vista - Chalega ki Doobega?

Why people fall for this microsoft trap i dont really understand. Come on wakeup they are stealing your money. Run from them at the very first site.Every time when microsoft have made people of the world download updates for the present operating site..which incidently is always twice in size ( in total ) to the original operating system they ship a new one.
Its as if almost saying freeze!They have a slogan ." We will punish the people to download scrap and make them feel that tis the most important secrity thing.More than the security of your own child." Now that all the worms and system holes have been patched up and there really is no more scope for more updates let us make a new operating system and hen there will be more updates to down load more holes to patch and more bugs.What was wrong with XP. What didint Xp do !
Turst me ! World is divided into 2 parts. One that is downloading porn and one that is downloading updates. The few exceptions are so small ( like we posting on this forum and some idiots reading it)in wasting the bandwidth that they only make the argument true.Grow up to this microsoft trick!
This forum and some pretty female anatomical parts looks the same whether seen from vista or XP.
I wish instead of automatic updates they had something like automatic harddisk songs downloading...much more able use of bandwidth.

 

[aryayush]

Re: Vista - Chalega ki Doobega?

Uh... the internet will always look and work the same regardless of which operating system you are using, buddy.

However, you cannot find your files as efficiently in XP as in Vista, XP does not look nearly as good and programs on XP can never be as good as they have the potential to on Vista, Yahoo! Messenger for XP and the forthcoming version for Vista is a prime example.

I am not saying this justifies the ridiculous price of Windows Vista, but it is a lot different than XP and does not deserve to be distributed freely as an update to XP, which is what you seem to be suggesting.

Here's a quote from fake Steve:

Let's face it. You're losers. And thieves. You can't make anything decent on your own, so instead you demand that those of us who do have talent should give you our work for free. All this hoo-ha about "freedom" and protecting people's rights? Come on. Tell Eben Moglen and Larry Lessig to sit down and create an album as good as "Abbey Road" and give it away free. Then we can talk. Or this: All of you guys start working for zero money. Send me your IRS forms showing a complete year of zero income, and maybe you'll have some street cred.

I am not saying it is completely true or that I agree with it or that it reflects my sentiments. He's just being funny by being rude. But the basic message is true. Due to the open source movement, people have come to expect that everything should be free. They want whole operating systems free of cost. Some people have this mentality that if you can have Ubuntu for free, why not Vista?
Well, because Vista is the prime money maker for a huge corporation. They cannot afford to give it for free. They do not spend all that hard work and time to start a charity programme.

There is nothing wrong with using and supporting open source software. I use a lot of OSS on my Mac and I'm happy with all of them. But then I also have quite a lot of paid software, some of which may not justify their cost, but I am happy with them too. Those who want an entire operating system for free, get a Linux distro - and I am sure you already are using one. Just don't post crap telling that Microsoft is stealing your money and that they should give away entire operating systems for free. Every corporation out there in the world is looking to "steal" your money. But you won't stop wearing clothes, will you!

 

[mehulved]

Re: Vista - Chalega ki Doobega?

Well, because Vista is the prime money maker for a huge corporation.

Rest I agree but not this one. Not in the least.

 

[shantanu]

Re: Vista - Chalega ki Doobega?

Using OSS is very good, even i never used MAC , but seeing its technology and usge i appreciae it also,

windows Vista is just a Product from Microsoft, and not full M$ is only Vista,
There are hudreds of products and Updates which are launched by M$, Windows Xp is also M$ product, everyone uses that..

I completely agree to Aryayush about what he said.. and to Tech_yur_future too.. but the thing is that why an OS is compared to songs and PORN,
and i think in forum in evry tenth post i found the word PORN ,why, guys this is not a PORN forum, that some people think that speaking this word or giving examples increases their BOLDness and reputation and impression...

Every OS has its own specialities , Critisizing can never be a solution..

The clean your talk will be , better you are respected...

 

[aryayush]

Re: Vista - Chalega ki Doobega?

Rest I agree but not this one. Not in the least.

I meant to say Windows is the prime money maker for Microsoft. Vista has just been launched. I am sure sales can only increase - unless, of course, people across the world suddenly see the light and start switching to Mac and Linux - but that is not very likely to happen any time soon.

 

[sivarap]

Re: Vista - Chalega ki Doobega?

1.Vista will Stay no matter what. I know ppl still using win98 so vista might be in use even after 5yrs
2. I thought MAC is expensive...PLZ confirm.
3. What happened to the "rumour" hat Mac is being tweaked to run on X86?

 

[mehulved]

Re: Vista - Chalega ki Doobega?

2. I thought MAC is expensive...PLZ confirm.

not at all. People do not include the price of the OS then say that Mac is expensive.
If you include the price of windows to the same hardware then it totals up to almost the same. But, I guess there's no low end hardware available for Mac. But, people today easily spend 25-30K, atleast the middle class does. So, it's not so expensive for them.
But, if you need a very low price rig then PC is the only choice, with linux or pirated windows.

3. What happened to the "rumour" hat Mac is being tweaked to run on X86?

Intel macs have started shipping since long. AFAIK, new macs are only available on Intel platform now. But, that would be x86_64 so no x86 macs right?

 

[sivarap]

Re: Vista - Chalega ki Doobega?

not at all. People do not include the price of the OS then say that Mac is expensive.
If you include the price of windows to the same hardware then it totals up to almost the same. But, I guess there's no low end hardware available for Mac. But, people today easily spend 25-30K, atleast the middle class does. So, it's not so expensive for them.
But, if you need a very low price rig then PC is the only choice, with linux or pirated windows.
Intel macs have started shipping since long. AFAIK, new macs are only available on Intel platform now. But, that would be x86_64 so no x86 macs right?

So...MACs can be pirated ?

 

[Ajatshatru]

Re: Vista - Chalega ki Doobega?

vista chalega nahiin dodega, kuuch waqt ki baat hai