The Windows Mobile Thread
OP
ssk_the_gr8
Make Way the LORD is Here
gurujee
Can't Talk. In The Zone.
ajaymailed
In the zone
Re: The Windows Phone Thread
40K is slightly higher, equal to galaxy note 2 and nearing iPhone 5. How 920 would hope to sell while competing with Note 2
maverick786us
Padawan
Re: The Windows Phone Thread
They have to sell it in subsidized rates in order to compete with Galaxy S series and iPhones in indian market. Any further news on launch on india? I can't wait to buy this handset.
They have to sell it in subsidized rates in order to compete with Galaxy S series and iPhones in indian market. Any further news on launch on india? I can't wait to buy this handset.
pranav0091
I am not an Owl
Re: The Windows Phone Thread
Nokia initially announced that the phone will be available in november, and unfortunately it seems its gonna miss the festival shopping season.
And regarding subsidy, its mainly offered by the cellular network and not the handset maker, in this case Nokia. The cellular network offers this subsidy with the aim of pulling in customers that are willing to buy the handset in exchange for some substantial commitment. This essentially means that the phone is useless in any other competing networks and the person has to continue using the services of the parent cellular network to use the phone. That means revenue and thats how these cellular networks recover the money that they lost by offering the phone at a subsidised price in the first place. We Indians are not very used to this system (i think the iphone was once offered by airtel and docomo in a similar manner) and I dont really expect the arrival of the 920 to change things. What it'd mean is that the 920 is NOT going to be cheap here, and an educated estimate should set the price at 10% premium over the S3, as thats what its european pricing reflects. Possibly a bad pricing decision by Nokia no matter how good its camera is. Its sad.
Nokia initially announced that the phone will be available in november, and unfortunately it seems its gonna miss the festival shopping season.
And regarding subsidy, its mainly offered by the cellular network and not the handset maker, in this case Nokia. The cellular network offers this subsidy with the aim of pulling in customers that are willing to buy the handset in exchange for some substantial commitment. This essentially means that the phone is useless in any other competing networks and the person has to continue using the services of the parent cellular network to use the phone. That means revenue and thats how these cellular networks recover the money that they lost by offering the phone at a subsidised price in the first place. We Indians are not very used to this system (i think the iphone was once offered by airtel and docomo in a similar manner) and I dont really expect the arrival of the 920 to change things. What it'd mean is that the 920 is NOT going to be cheap here, and an educated estimate should set the price at 10% premium over the S3, as thats what its european pricing reflects. Possibly a bad pricing decision by Nokia no matter how good its camera is. Its sad.
maverick786us
Padawan
Re: The Windows Phone Thread
The extra price justifies its value. SGS3 doesn't provide
1) Wireless Charging
2) Such a great camera with OIS
3) Such a wonderful Screen with PureMotion HD
I think except for quad core there isn't a single thing that SGS3 offers over Lumia 920. I have 2 SGS2 in my family and a Lumia 900 and I prefer WP over android. Android is a battery hog. Its multi tasking isn't that great as WP thats why they need 2 extra cores. But how many mobile applications utilize all the 4 cores?
Although the way Nokia has lost its goodwill they have to lower down the price in indian market and match it with SGS3. Because this is a mainstream market not a niche one, where people will hardly care about the above mentioned features and the first thing that will come into their mind is price
The extra price justifies its value. SGS3 doesn't provide
1) Wireless Charging
2) Such a great camera with OIS
3) Such a wonderful Screen with PureMotion HD
I think except for quad core there isn't a single thing that SGS3 offers over Lumia 920. I have 2 SGS2 in my family and a Lumia 900 and I prefer WP over android. Android is a battery hog. Its multi tasking isn't that great as WP thats why they need 2 extra cores. But how many mobile applications utilize all the 4 cores?
Although the way Nokia has lost its goodwill they have to lower down the price in indian market and match it with SGS3. Because this is a mainstream market not a niche one, where people will hardly care about the above mentioned features and the first thing that will come into their mind is price
Re: The Windows Phone Thread
LOL? what are you smoking ? Battery life as been greatly improved since ICS... WP multi tasking is NOT multi tasking. It kills apps randomly. Apps developers dont have to do anything extra to support multi cores..OS does it for them.
My Lumia 800 has same battery life as my Galaxy S.
When WP lacked dual core CPU , WP Fan boys claimed that WP does not need it ..LOL and now that there are WP with Dual core CPU, they claim why we need quad core..ROFL..
LOL? what are you smoking ? Battery life as been greatly improved since ICS... WP multi tasking is NOT multi tasking. It kills apps randomly. Apps developers dont have to do anything extra to support multi cores..OS does it for them.
My Lumia 800 has same battery life as my Galaxy S.
When WP lacked dual core CPU , WP Fan boys claimed that WP does not need it ..LOL and now that there are WP with Dual core CPU, they claim why we need quad core..ROFL..
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maverick786us
Padawan
Re: The Windows Phone Thread
I was talking about WP8. It uses Windows NT Kernal System as apposed to CRAPPY Windows CE Kernal system used by WP 7. So it uses better multi-tasking than any other mobile OS. Even WP 7 happened to fit in low end Lumias which has 800MHz processors like Lumia 610. But today's android will not run in this kind of H/W specification. WP is more optimized OS, compared to Android.
Try running Android ICS in Nokian N9 and you will see how smooth it will run (Sarcams)
I was talking about WP8. It uses Windows NT Kernal System as apposed to CRAPPY Windows CE Kernal system used by WP 7. So it uses better multi-tasking than any other mobile OS. Even WP 7 happened to fit in low end Lumias which has 800MHz processors like Lumia 610. But today's android will not run in this kind of H/W specification. WP is more optimized OS, compared to Android.
Try running Android ICS in Nokian N9 and you will see how smooth it will run (Sarcams)
Re: The Windows Phone Thread
Sigh!! I always wonder on what basis people claim this..If you run windows 7/8 on a Pentium 4 vs Core i5 cpu, users are obviously going to have different experience.
Try using a Nexus device if you get a chance. Anything else on other Android phones is a 2nd grade experience with crappy custom UI.
There is no significant difference between battery life of WP 7 vs 8. Also there is no change in how multi-tasking is handled on both OS(WP 7 and 8). Check the SDK.
FYI : I am yet to find a decent IM app on WP. WhatsApp is slow and because of the way WP handles multi-tasking( running background apps ONLY ONCE per 30 min) i do miss messages.
Sigh!! I always wonder on what basis people claim this..If you run windows 7/8 on a Pentium 4 vs Core i5 cpu, users are obviously going to have different experience.
Try using a Nexus device if you get a chance. Anything else on other Android phones is a 2nd grade experience with crappy custom UI.
There is no significant difference between battery life of WP 7 vs 8. Also there is no change in how multi-tasking is handled on both OS(WP 7 and 8). Check the SDK.
FYI : I am yet to find a decent IM app on WP. WhatsApp is slow and because of the way WP handles multi-tasking( running background apps ONLY ONCE per 30 min) i do miss messages.
maverick786us
Padawan
Re: The Windows Phone Thread
You cannot judge the perfomance of 2 OS based on battery life. Try some googling and you will find out that WP8 is whole lot different than WP7 because it uses Windows NT Kernal System compared to old Windows CE Kernal system used by WP 7. Read some reviews and you will see the background capabilities of WP 8 specially with the example of Skype
You cannot judge the perfomance of 2 OS based on battery life. Try some googling and you will find out that WP8 is whole lot different than WP7 because it uses Windows NT Kernal System compared to old Windows CE Kernal system used by WP 7. Read some reviews and you will see the background capabilities of WP 8 specially with the example of Skype
skeletor
Chosen of the Omnissiah
Re: The Windows Phone Thread
If you don't have apps, you don't have apps.
That's what the case is with Windows Phone 8.
No one really cares about that.
If you don't have apps, you don't have apps.
That's what the case is with Windows Phone 8.ajaymailed
In the zone
Re: The Windows Phone Thread
every menu, setting, icon, touch response can be modified in unimaginable ways. then there are no restrictions, standards, limitations.
Rs 2500 Akash Tablet is powered by Android, Rs 50,000 Asus Transformer Prime is powered by Android too.
any company, group, individual can break, bend, twist, turn, tweak android in ways that even google never dreamed of.
Windows Phone OS is world apart from this, even if its 610 powered by 800 Mhz Proc. Microsoft will and should concentrate on smooth, solid, stable user experience.
The Android we see in the phones are heavily modified, bloatware, kernel modifications, various modified Skins, launchers, UIs, widgets,
every menu, setting, icon, touch response can be modified in unimaginable ways. then there are no restrictions, standards, limitations.
Rs 2500 Akash Tablet is powered by Android, Rs 50,000 Asus Transformer Prime is powered by Android too.
any company, group, individual can break, bend, twist, turn, tweak android in ways that even google never dreamed of.
Windows Phone OS is world apart from this, even if its 610 powered by 800 Mhz Proc. Microsoft will and should concentrate on smooth, solid, stable user experience.
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ssk_the_gr8
Make Way the LORD is Here
Re: The Windows Phone Thread
thats exactly the reason of so many people are having bad experience with android. An average consumer cannot differentiate between stock and skinned android. So techies comparing stock android to WP is pointless because 99% use skinned android and receive no updates. on 2nd thoughts most of them dont worry about updates. Anyway both OS have their own philosophy and own advantages. Is it really necessary to fight out and prove which is better?
thats exactly the reason of so many people are having bad experience with android. An average consumer cannot differentiate between stock and skinned android. So techies comparing stock android to WP is pointless because 99% use skinned android and receive no updates. on 2nd thoughts most of them dont worry about updates. Anyway both OS have their own philosophy and own advantages. Is it really necessary to fight out and prove which is better?
pranav0091
I am not an Owl
Re: The Windows Phone Thread
I am not sure of this, but I read recently that unlike android that lets OEMs put in apps that cannot be gotten rid of, in WP every app thats not part of the OS itself can be removed. Now that surely is a welcome feature, kind of partially addressing the 'I cannot root' problem.
And regarding ico's post. Its true that WP doesn't have the sheer number of apps that the others have, but it could be a rather personal take. I for one, still run my ray on gingerbread and hardly use 5 apps and that too say less than an hour a week in total I'd guess. While I realize that there are people that use apps a whole lot more than me, I cant help but feel a little disappointed that the this whole concept of apps has been taken a little bit too far. I haven't exactly checked out WP marketplace so will refrain from commenting on it. The fact that people are lost over the 'number' of apps and number of 'cores' rather than on getting things done with as little fuss as possible shows a rather disturbing trend.
I am not sure of this, but I read recently that unlike android that lets OEMs put in apps that cannot be gotten rid of, in WP every app thats not part of the OS itself can be removed. Now that surely is a welcome feature, kind of partially addressing the 'I cannot root' problem.
And regarding ico's post. Its true that WP doesn't have the sheer number of apps that the others have, but it could be a rather personal take. I for one, still run my ray on gingerbread and hardly use 5 apps and that too say less than an hour a week in total I'd guess. While I realize that there are people that use apps a whole lot more than me, I cant help but feel a little disappointed that the this whole concept of apps has been taken a little bit too far. I haven't exactly checked out WP marketplace so will refrain from commenting on it. The fact that people are lost over the 'number' of apps and number of 'cores' rather than on getting things done with as little fuss as possible shows a rather disturbing trend.
ajaymailed
In the zone
Re: The Windows Phone Thread
every popular website, web service have developed their own app, want to book a movie ticket, bookmyshow app, reviews imdb.com, find cricket news cricinfo, and innumerable news apps from every news agency. there are apps for that specific purpose so not everyone would be interested in that but something interesting is there for every body.
Android & iOS have more than 7 Lac apps, sure there will be tens of apps for same purpose and any user will probably download just one app for that purpose but app developers competing against each other will bring out the best quality for user at best price. Apps take the smartphone functionality to the extreme. the objective here to create as many different applications as possible in smartphone for benefit almost anyone in any part of the world.
there are apps like auto rickshaw meter to find out fare using GPS, shazam like apps for identifying music, using camera to read QR bar codes which exploit phones resources in a different way than the usual.
Windows still has 1 lac applications, but its the quality that also matters not just numbers. I am sure Microsoft will & can push developers to do more, they have put in common things for Windows 8 on desktop, tablet, phone so that developers can easily develop apps for all three platforms.
true power of smartphone OS & ecosystem lies within the apps & services apart from the hardware, camera etc. because the phone has lot things like Camera, GPS Sensor, 3G/4G Internet Speeds, Large Display Screen, powerful hardware, users tend exploit the machine for just more than basic things, they want to listen to music, watch videos, check weather, news, mails, take notes, browse, social networking, sharing content, read books, play lots of games, reminding them of appointments.
every popular website, web service have developed their own app, want to book a movie ticket, bookmyshow app, reviews imdb.com, find cricket news cricinfo, and innumerable news apps from every news agency. there are apps for that specific purpose so not everyone would be interested in that but something interesting is there for every body.
Android & iOS have more than 7 Lac apps, sure there will be tens of apps for same purpose and any user will probably download just one app for that purpose but app developers competing against each other will bring out the best quality for user at best price. Apps take the smartphone functionality to the extreme. the objective here to create as many different applications as possible in smartphone for benefit almost anyone in any part of the world.
there are apps like auto rickshaw meter to find out fare using GPS, shazam like apps for identifying music, using camera to read QR bar codes which exploit phones resources in a different way than the usual.
Windows still has 1 lac applications, but its the quality that also matters not just numbers. I am sure Microsoft will & can push developers to do more, they have put in common things for Windows 8 on desktop, tablet, phone so that developers can easily develop apps for all three platforms.
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skeletor
Chosen of the Omnissiah
Re: The Windows Phone Thread
seriously no.I'm telling my friend to get a Lumia 800. Hope there will be no problems with the device.
He wanted a BlackBerry.
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ssk_the_gr8
Make Way the LORD is Here
Re: The Windows Phone Thread
there won't be any problems. Its a solid device.
I'm telling my friend to get a Lumia 800. Hope there will be no problems with the device.
He wanted a BlackBerry.
there won't be any problems. Its a solid device.