The ultimate shootout: Apple Mac OS X vs. Microsoft Windows Vista

[freshseasons]

Another lunatic who skipped English lessons when he was in school! I don't know why all these people register at the Digit forum.

Yes finally ignorance is a virtue.Well proved.Kid your writing looks like you haven't even have been to an english school.

And almost every spec you have there is wrong. Everything. You know as much about Macs as gx_saurav does (which is equal to nothing).

Boy you are on Drugs.I gave a direct link to Apple India site and the specs are clearly given there.
Incase you missed it here it is.
*www.asia.apple.com/store/india/macminin/newmacmini.htm
And boy i know lot about macs than you can ever claim to know.Cheez you dont even know, what there is on the Official Apple India site.Please take the effort to go through Apple Site rather than harassing people here with your ignorance.

Buy me any Mac with a single core processor, any Mac at all. Unless you are talking about second hand stuff, you cannot buy a single core Mac. There is no such thing. The cheapest Mac Mini comes with a 1.66GHz Intel Core Duo processor, 512 MB of RAM, 60 GB HDD, a combo drive and built-in speakers as well. It has Wi-Fi, Ethernet, Bluetooth, Infrared, USB and FireWire. It also comes with an Apple Remote standard. And it costs Rs. 33,000 including taxes.

*www.asia.apple.com/store/india/macminin/newmacmini.htm
Eat your Word!!!Please Again Visit the above link and Bask your self in reality..How can anyone be so ignorant ?The Apple site Clearly States ",1.5GHz Intel Core Solo processor",.Boy can you read or someones reads this forum for you and translates.
Now i am seriously confused whether you know anything about Apple.Hell you dont even know which Apple hardware exists and which doest.Have you ever seen an Apple Site before.

You know, a wise man's advice to you would be to just STFU when you know nothing about something. Opening your mouth only makes you look like a fool. Ask gx_saurav, he knows it well, having experienced the feeling often.

I have proved my self by giving all the relevant Apple Site and who is Ignorant we know know.Bubble Burst!
Ya one more thing.Wise man also Said" Higher the monkey Climbs , the more he shows his Behind".

 

[gxsaurav]

Another lunatic who skipped English lessons when he was in school! I don't know why all these people register at the Digit forum.

Another Macboy who has nothing to say so deviating the thread. Arya, we know your job as Mac genius is in danger cos now everyone knows how much you know about Apple hardware & Mac

First of all, Rs. 8,250 is not the price of the Mac Mini but is a quarter of the price of the base configuration of the Mac Mini. You and gx_saurav claimed that Macs are four times more expensive than PCs with similar

Do you know the meaning of the word "Example"

Buy me any Mac with a single core processor, any Mac at all. Unless you are talking about second hand stuff, you cannot buy a single core Mac. There is no such thing. The cheapest Mac Mini comes with a 1.66GHz Intel Core Duo processor, 512 MB of RAM, 60 GB HDD, a combo drive and built-in speakers as well. It has Wi-Fi, Ethernet, Bluetooth, Infrared, USB and FireWire. It also comes with an Apple Remote standard. And it costs Rs. 33,000 including taxes.

Then what is it given at freshseasons link? Is that Rapple Rac Mini ?

And to top it off, it comes in a tiny enclosure that weighs less than 1.5 KG (1.31 KG, to be precise). Leave the design, I know no other company in the World is capable of as excellent and innovative design as Apple is

AOpen Pandora Box, Google for it

. Just buy me four computers that have similar specs to the Mac Mini and the total cost of which is less than/equal to Rs. 33,000. Do it now. I have the money ready here.

Sure, it is available with Monitor included in 35k

You know, a wise man's advice to you would be to just STFU when you know nothing about something. Opening your mouth only makes you look like a fool. Ask gx_saurav, he knows it well, having experienced the feeling often.

Frustration & pwnage at its best. You got nothing proper to say.

he is teaching us english n is taking up certain mis understandings of english as his defence. Grow up boy... u have pissed many Mac users also

He has nothing to do....he doesn't know about computer hardware, Mac hardware, software, application Performance & UI....he is just a Macboy. Thats the best you can expect from him.

Freshseasons

He has a tendency to skip or overlook everything which proves a mac flaws & inferior. His eyes automatically shut down in that case.

Ya one more thing.Wise man also Said" Higher the monkey Climbs , the more he shows his Behind"

:ROFL:

 

[Zeeshan Quireshi]

Arya here r the specs of the Mac Mini directly from Apple India Site :

Price: INR 35,500

1.5GHz Intel Core Solo processor

2MB L2 Cache

667MHz Frontside Bus

512MB memory (667MHz DDR2 SDRAM)

60GB Serial ATA hard drive

Combo drive (DVD-ROM/CD-RW)

Built-in AirPort Extreme and Bluetooth 2.0

Apple Remote

All Mac mini models also include an integrated Intel GMA950 graphics processor with 64MB of shared DDR2 SDRAM(1), 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet, four external USB 2.0 ports, FireWire 400 port, optical digital and analog audio in/out, and built-in mono speaker

My box too has a buil-in Mono speaker too .

Also here's Config of iMac from Apple India Site :

Price: INR 62,900

17-inch widescreen LCD

1440x900 resolution

1.83GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor1

2MB shared L2 cache

512MB memory (2x256MB SO-DIMM)

160GB Serial ATA hard drive2

24x Combo Drive (DVD-ROM, CD-RW)

Intel GMA 950 graphics with 64MB of shared memory

built-in iSight camera, three USB 2.0 ports, two FireWire 400 ports (24-inch model includes one FireWire 400 port and one FireWire 800 port), Gigabit Ethernet, mini-DVI video out, built-in stereo speakers, a built-in microphone, and optical digital audio in/out jacks.

 

[soumya]

Hey Guys have you read this article?

Apple Mac OS X Leopard Preview: Who's the Copycat Now?

Here are some highlights :-

Sometimes I wonder how Apple CEO Steve Jobs can sleep at night. He appears to spend half his waking hours ridiculing Microsoft's admittedly behind-schedule operating system, Windows Vista, for copying Mac OS X features. But this week at Apple's annual Worldwide Developer Conference (WWDC), he announced ten new features for Leopard, the next version of OS X, most of which will seem more than vaguely familiar to Windows users. I'm not dim: Microsoft does copy Apple on a fairly regular basis. But seriously, Steve. Apple's just as bad.

If you watch the WWDC keynote telecast (and the accompanying "PC guy" intro video, both of which are available on the Apple Web site), you'll notice immediately that Apple is more than a little preoccupied with Windows Vista. That's understandable, since Windows is Mac OS X's primary competition (in the sense that 2 percent of the market is competition for Windows) and Apple was inspired by Vista features like Spotlight (er, sorry, Windows Search) when creating its previous OS X version, Tiger (see my review).
*www.winsupersite.com/reviews/macosx_tiger.asp

Jobs was quick to tout the progress Apple has made with its OS since 2001, when both Windows XP and the first version of OS X shipped. "What have we been doing for the last five years?" he asked. "We've been putting out releases of OS X." He claimed that Apple shipped five "major" updates to OS X, including Cheetah, Puma, Jaguar, Panther, and Tiger, though I'd argue that virtually none of those were major updates at all. (Unless you count the cost. At $129 for each version, that's about $750 on Mac OS X upgrades since 2001. That kind of puts the cost of Windows in perspective.) But he counted Tiger on Intel as a sixth major release, because of the effort in porting the OS X code to a new platform (which, actually, had been in the works for a long time and wasn't the 210 day project Jobs claimed).

By that measure, Microsoft has improved Windows by a far greater degree. In the same time frame, it has shipped Windows XP Home Edition, Windows XP Professional Edition, Windows XP Professional x64 Edition, Windows XP Media Center Edition, Windows XP Media Center Edition 2004, Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005 (and 2005 UR2), Windows XP Tablet PC Edition, Windows XP Tablet PC Edition 2005, Windows XP Home and Professional N Editions, Windows XP with Service Pack 2 (SP2, absolutely a big Windows upgrade), Windows XP Embedded, Windows Fundamentals for Legacy PCs, and Windows XP Starter Edition in various languages. Heck, I might be missing some versions. No, they're not all major releases (The N Editions? Eh.) But XP x64, like Tiger on Intel, was a major engineering effort. And Apple has nothing--absolutely nothing--like the Media Center and Tablet PC functionality that Microsoft has been refining now for several years. So let's put the silliness about Microsoft doing nothing for five years to rest, shall we?

He incorrectly alluded to the fact that Microsoft separated out its email application from Outlook and created Windows Mail, which in Apple's mind is very similar to Apple's Mail.app. That's untrue. Windows Mail is simply the latest version of Outlook Express, which is a decade old and has been part of Windows since 1998. Mail.app is a fine program, but come on.

Curiously, Serlet did not bring up Dashboard, Apple's environment for widgets, and Sidebar, Microsoft's environment for gadgets. That's good, because Apple stole Sidebar idea wholeheartedly from Konfabulator and other widget environments that predated Dashboard.

Lies, damnable lies, and statistics
More than any other company I cover regularly, Apple plays light and loose with facts. The company is so insidious with this behavior, in fact, that I could almost turn Apple myth busting into a full-time job if I thought someone would pay me to do it. Here's one example from the keynote:

Apple shipped 1.33 million Macs in the quarter ending June 30, 2006. It was their best Mac quarter ever. Jobs noted that the Mac's growth rate was "dramatically faster" than the rest of the PC industry, about 16.5 percent for the Mac, compared to just 6 percent for the PC. "We're gaining market share," Jobs declared triumphantly, to cheers. Ahem. Not so fast, Steve. In the previous quarter, the Mac's growth rate was significantly lower than that of the PC (13.1 percent for the PC vs. 4 percent for the Mac). More to the point, Apple's explosion growth in 2005 did nothing to help the Mac's market share, which is still mired at 2 percent worldwide. In other words, Steve's claim is baloney: Apple hasn't really gained any appreciable market share at all--indeed, Apple has lost market share every year since Jobs took the CEO helm--but his comment is technically true: In the slice of time that is the second quarter of 2006, Apple gained--get this--about 1/10th of one percent of market share. And the WWDC crowd goes wild.

Read the full article here :-

*www.winsupersite.com/showcase/macosx_leopard_preview.asp

 

[QwertyManiac]

@qwerty.. i think you are a over smart person with high attitude and ego.. you are not president of america so stop your bull$hit..

Wont stop till you eat what you asked for. I might be oversmart (From what I see, even a 13 year old will consider himself that seeing your replies) but I sure dont run notepad and say "YAY my windows is usable". You have problems hiding your crap, sign off. For all I know, my keyboard AND brain both work fine while your latter doesnt.

 

[aryayush]

@freshseasons and all those who are believing this idiot.

That is why I told you to actually try and buy any Mac with a single core processor. You see, when you go out to any Apple Authorised Reseller to buy a Mac, they'll show you the Mac Mini which costs 33K and has the specs that I mentioned. The idiots at Apple do not give as much importance to India as they do other countries so the website is always outdated.

Here are the actual specifications:
*www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html

I am hundred percent sure that this freshseasons guy knew about the actual specs and just wanted to use the Apple India site to his advantage. Everything comes to an end, boy.

Now show me a machine that costs four times less than it and has the same specs. I am still waiting...


@samanvya_ad,
I don't give a damn what you think. You do not know the long history of these flame wars. And if you have actually used a Mac (which I doubt), then you have liked it. And if your opinion is fickle and weird enough to change just because you did not like the attitude of one random Mac user (or maybe even hundred) on an online forum, I don't know how to respond to it.

 

[eddie]

in fact, that I could almost turn Apple myth busting into a full-time job if I thought someone would pay me to do it.

If someone pays him for myth busting then he should really go for Microsoft myth busting. It will be a much more profitable and long term job prospect for him

 

[kalpik]

Kalpik, he is not wrong. Vista loads frequently used apps in memory when the system boots or when you first launch that application. It closes down but the app & dlls are still in RAM. They stay there unless some other program asks for memory in which case Vista flushes down the RAM to give more memory to the application which demands it.

Example, start Windows Vista after a shut down. This clears the RAM. Now start some app like ACDSee & cloise it, now start it again & it will open instantly. Hibernate your computer...restart again & restart ACDsee again to open it instantly.

@gx, zeeshan: When you first launch that application, agreed (which is what EVERY OS does, even XP did that, hell even 98 did that. So what's new?).
When the system boots, not agreed
This is what you both claimed that vista loads programs on startup.. And i think im right on this one.. Unless you people can prove otherwise

actually the thing is that.. Mac boy only know scratching their heads after having correct answers.. now they will look for fu cked up facts to show..

@kalpik.. you are a old memeber but first get some knowledge on windows and then speak...

@qwerty.. i think you are a over smart person with high attitude and ego.. you are not president of america so stop your bull$hit..

@nepcker.. coca cola is making engine oil and APPLE is making dustbins for MAC users to throw their unusable macs in it..

@some other MACCYasssses .. your MAC pro is for $2600 (taxes Extra) with a little high config then the usual and i can buy two good pc's (vista compatible in it) with good gaming capablities...

Dude i am 110% sure that i know more about windows than you.. I can bet on that. So learn to act mature. You are on a public forum. Learn to respect others. It will help you in life. Your judgements about other people's knowledge are grossly skewed.

Can you give me an approximate count of the number of your posts that have actually _helped_ someone instead of just making flames?

Just out of curiosity, may i know your age?

 

[aryayush]

This guy pops up every now and then to post some poorly worded and punctuated post that flames every other operating system apart from Windows and then disappears. If any one of his 1,685 posts makes any sense, I'll eat my tie (I don't wear any so I am not at risk anyway).

 

[gxsaurav]

The idiots at Apple do not give as much importance to India as they do other countries so the website is always outdated.

Apple & Idiot how can u say that.

I am hundred percent sure that this freshseasons guy knew about the actual specs and just wanted to use the Apple India site to his advantage. Everything comes to an end, boy.

You have no idea who he is boy

Now show me a machine that costs four times less than it and has the same specs. I am still waiting...

Again, do you know the meaning of the word example ?

@samanvya_ad,
I don't give a damn what you think. You do not know the long history of these flame wars. And if you have actually used a Mac (which I doubt), then you have liked it. And if your opinion is fickle and weird enough to change just because you did not like the attitude of one random Mac user (or maybe even hundred) on an online forum, I don't know how to respond to it.

Samanvya, he said the same to me before I proved in his own thread how flawed Mac is. If you want to try Mac, search on google.

@ kalpik

sure thing, will post a video after dinner

 

[assasin]

You should be ashamed of yourself. Seriously ashamed!!! Now I've found 3 point blank liars on this forum who all happen to be Windows fanboys. Is it a disease that comes packaged with Windows CD/DVD? I tried to take a high road by giving you a chance and asking you once again that whether you actually got it from a book so that you could accept that it is not so; but you are such a liar that you don't have any dignity to save. Here...this is the "book you sourced it from"
*en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scheduling_(computing)

ok.the page no. of the book by william Stallings is given in bracket,so why dont u just check it out urself.if Wikipedia has sourced it from the book then wat can i do??

A word-by-word copy from the article!!! Seriously man...don't you guys have any soul left? You don't have any real lives that you need to lie on online forums? How low can you guys go?I have not seen even a chameleon change his colours so fast. This is what you were saying sometime back... and I am quoting it here as wellYou were talking about pagefile being required by CPU Schedulers, System schedulers and memory address mappings...and now you are talking about multitasking? Is there a limit to your going down? Is there a limit where you save your face and actually accept that you knew nothing about your words? Yeah right...I need to take system internals and coding lessons from a liar and a chameleon's big brother

and ur the same guy who was tryin to teach me the diff between Virtual Memory and PageFile and didnt make a sound bout its diff after i posted it.and now u wanna teach me.OMG
so multitasking is independent of the Schedulers???if thats wat u wanna say then......

 

[eddie]

ok.the page no. of the book by william Stallings is given in bracket,so why dont u just check it out urself.if Wikipedia has sourced it from the book then wat can i do??

You still don't wanna accept do you? You liar...the post you wrote was from that very page!!! Want me to prove more? Go back to your post and you will see that there is a hyperlink alive on "Page Faulting" and it is pointing to wikipedia page...just how it is present in the original article. You forgot to delete that link...and it is showing in your face. You are such a cheap and small person!!!

and ur the same guy who was tryin to teach me the diff between Virtual Memory and PageFile and didnt make a sound bout its diff after i posted it.and now u wanna teach me.OMG

You are not trying to suggest that Virtual memory and Pagefile are same...are you?

so multitasking is independent of the Schedulers???if thats wat u wanna say then......

You are joking right? That is what I said? Where? Where did I say that multitasking is independent of schedulers? Really man...some of you Windows guys are so stupid that you people amaze me

 

[gxsaurav]

Guys, back to topic plz.

iMav was right, when it come to mobile phone management out of the box MacOS X beats even Vista out. Though iSync only syncs with Address book.

For phone maangement like File transfer etc, you still need a 3rd party application. I am using bluetooth to connect my Phone to Mac & iSync synced automatically to Address Book.

For more usage I installed Phone Agent which is like myphoneexplorer however again due to multiple Window UI I didn't like it.

File nevigation & copying was easy which is what i mostly do.

It downloaded the whole phonebook to Mac & saved it as a file, which I disabled cos it already synced with address book. Though unlike Windows Contacts, address book only works with Apple Mail & Safari.

Will be posting screenshots soon, don't have photoshop on mac

You are not trying to suggest that Virtual memory and Pagefile are same...are you?

Virtual memory & pagefile is indeed same. In Windows we have pagefile.sys while in Linux we have swap partition.

 

[kalpik]

GX, no, virtual memory and pagefile (or swapfile) are two different things.. eddie will explain how in a few minutes.. Im too lazy to type

Ok.. some explanation here: *forums.2cpu.com/showthread.php?t=10062

 

[eddie]

Virtual memory & pagefile is indeed same. In Windows we have pagefile.sys while in Linux we have swap partition.

Virtual memory and Pagefile are not same but they have been confused readily. Virtual memory is the space that is needed for storing lots of information about a certain process and its execution but it does not necessarily mean that this information needs to be only on Pagefile. Virtual memory can exist on main memory or RAM if the same is available but as RAM starts getting occupied...unnecessary contents from Virtual memory are swapped out to Pagefile. This swapiness of your main memory is decided by your kernel.

If you have enough main memory then you will not need Pagefile...not because you will not be needing Virtual memory but because your virtual memory is now being stored on your main memory.

Ah...I see a good link has already been posted

 

[gxsaurav]

Ok kalpik, i believe u, my knowledge is weak then in this regard

This just in, my modem is no longer hanging in Mac, cos now I m connecting using a LAN Card

I called airtel customar care in lucknow & it came out to be my friend who picked the phone. He said "Airtel doesn't support MacOS X Officially, try to download broadcom chipset driver for Mac or use LAN Card".

Later on he came to my home in evening & said "Saale, Mac ki DVD de "

 

[iMav]

ok here is what books have to say ... vm uses paging as a system to access data from the vm to bring it to the main memory

however vm here is considered to be hard disks so confusions are bound to occur coz the jargons are used indifferent contexts

 

[kalpik]

Glad the confusion is solved

 

[shantanu]

Dude i am 110% sure that i know more about windows than you.. I can bet on that. So learn to act mature. You are on a public forum. Learn to respect others. It will help you in life. Your judgements about other people's knowledge are grossly skewed.

Can you give me an approximate count of the number of your posts that have actually _helped_ someone instead of just making flames?

Just out of curiosity, may i know your age?

well , my 90% posts were on good side to help others.. see my previous posts in hardware section and some in tutorials too.. well if your knowledge is so great in windows then come join technet or MSDN forum and answer one reply there with correct quote many members are waiting there for correct answers.. dude.. i give respect to everyone.. its a matter of fact that some guys under estimate everyone they say... well i am 21 and my apologies to you if i hurted you really...

This guy pops up every now and then to post some poorly worded and punctuated post that flames every other operating system apart from Windows and then disappears. If any one of his 1,685 posts makes any sense, I'll eat my tie (I don't wear any so I am not at risk anyway).

well arya keep your history with yourself.. and start something cleaner this time.. and buddy why are you teaching everyone in the thread and forum to learn some language properly.. keep your knowledge with you.. and mind a thing that my languages are better than yours.. you only flame and then dissapear.. not me.. and i saw your posts arya .. you are the one flaming wars now and then
see my first post (the very first one) you will see why i joined the forum.. and there after hundreds of usefull posts which you dont have.. so learn something in your life.. and then say me to learn something..

i dont know why you act like a fool standing in crowd and praising yourself for some english.. my god.. ever talk to me by phone.. (i dont want to talk to you really) ,you will have to do that english speaking course for understanding proper language which i and many educated people in this forum speak.. (sometimes i think whether you are educated ot not)

and

a fact just for arya.. the words we type are just to express what we are saying.. it does not (never) show the vocabulary level or speaking level we have.. so next time keep your crap away...

 

[kalpik]

^^ Umm.. im sorry, but i really didnt get what you are trying to say
Why would i answer (?) a reply? And so now i have to join MSDN forum to prove that i have some knowledge about windows (which i can STILL say is better than yours)?

Oh and its good to know that 90% of your posts were made to help people