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din
Tribal Boy
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@drgrudge
LOL, man, I asked the same qn to this iMav here
iMav seems to be working in a very big hi-fi office where the features which he - never listed - is going to tell are very essential
I asked him to list some essential features which the common man / corporate guy need which is only in "MS Office" and which is missing in alternative office suits.
Poor iMav, said its a long list and hes not in a 'mood' to post such a list !!!
So drgrudge, please do not expect a reply from him regarding this. He is not in a mood !!
[edit] While posting this I saw his reply !!
WOW
I was expecting the same immature answer and he posted it again !!!!!
Check the link I gave above, when I asked him he gave the same, now I am confused, this google is owned by iMav ? LOL Whenever we ask something that support his statements, he ask us to try in google !!!
@drgrudge
LOL, man, I asked the same qn to this iMav here
iMav seems to be working in a very big hi-fi office where the features which he - never listed - is going to tell are very essential
I asked him to list some essential features which the common man / corporate guy need which is only in "MS Office" and which is missing in alternative office suits.
Poor iMav, said its a long list and hes not in a 'mood' to post such a list !!!
So drgrudge, please do not expect a reply from him regarding this. He is not in a mood !!
[edit] While posting this I saw his reply !!
WOW
I was expecting the same immature answer and he posted it again !!!!!
Check the link I gave above, when I asked him he gave the same, now I am confused, this google is owned by iMav ? LOL Whenever we ask something that support his statements, he ask us to try in google !!!
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din
Tribal Boy
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Man, please do not behave immature in every section !!!
When you say - the alternative office suit does not suit your needs, you are expected to give some reasons / proof / supporting material / link / some thing !!!
Grudge asked you what you meant and you are asking him to check google !! Man, again you are really really funny
It is NOT google said office alternatives are not working for the needs, its you !! And you are supposed to post the reason.
iMav said:why si it so dificult for people to believe and accept that i need commercial programs ... the same is with infra; din; and HiH ...
Man, please do not behave immature in every section !!!
When you say - the alternative office suit does not suit your needs, you are expected to give some reasons / proof / supporting material / link / some thing !!!
Grudge asked you what you meant and you are asking him to check google !! Man, again you are really really funny
It is NOT google said office alternatives are not working for the needs, its you !! And you are supposed to post the reason.
din
Tribal Boy
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The link you gave was posted by - soumya - thats you ? ?
AFAIK, it is a list of features
It is NOT the same me / drgrudge asking here
You mentioned the features which are very essential to you are missing in alternative office suits and they are only in the MS office.
We are all want to know whats the very essential things which a normal user / corporate user need - which are missing in alternative office suits and which are only in MS office
We are asking you coz of your post - which said features missing. Now, again, do not ask us to use google. Most people here know how to use it But google didn't tell us it miss something in alternative office suits !
The link you gave was posted by - soumya - thats you ? ?
AFAIK, it is a list of features
It is NOT the same me / drgrudge asking here
You mentioned the features which are very essential to you are missing in alternative office suits and they are only in the MS office.
We are all want to know whats the very essential things which a normal user / corporate user need - which are missing in alternative office suits and which are only in MS office
We are asking you coz of your post - which said features missing. Now, again, do not ask us to use google. Most people here know how to use it
But google didn't tell us it miss something in alternative office suits !
iMav
The Devil's Advocate
Re: The official thread for any and all discussion related to Apple Macs.
no its not by me but it shows all thats new in power point 2k7 and if u see everything u need be it tables; charts; text designs; templates; letter covers; default animations; word arts; has been over hauled and there is more of everything ... to make it easy to use and bring in more efficiency and make it quicker (though goobi wud disagree) a clear example is that a lot of times i need to open ps to giv text the inv shadow effect now its there in ppt as it si and there are like more 9 different options of the inv as to much u want to blend it, arrows, charts are a lot more flexible to add visual effects ... etc where as while using open office i did not find any such thing ... it had a fixed a set of few transition effects no nice text effects
there are more chart styles where as in open office i remmber once i had to open ps and made the chart as to what i wanted circles filling shadow effects colrs and then saving it and imporitng it in open office .... nothing like that in pwoer point ... where u want to place text how u want the text to appear the background etc ... also the effects like shadow rotation etc which need to be done thru ps if using open office but 2k7 has it in itself ... which means making presentations is more easier more fun and yields a lot better results ... (iv faced it)
no its not by me but it shows all thats new in power point 2k7 and if u see everything u need be it tables; charts; text designs; templates; letter covers; default animations; word arts; has been over hauled and there is more of everything ... to make it easy to use and bring in more efficiency and make it quicker (though goobi wud disagree) a clear example is that a lot of times i need to open ps to giv text the inv shadow effect now its there in ppt as it si and there are like more 9 different options of the inv as to much u want to blend it, arrows, charts are a lot more flexible to add visual effects ... etc where as while using open office i did not find any such thing ... it had a fixed a set of few transition effects no nice text effects
there are more chart styles where as in open office i remmber once i had to open ps and made the chart as to what i wanted circles filling shadow effects colrs and then saving it and imporitng it in open office .... nothing like that in pwoer point ... where u want to place text how u want the text to appear the background etc ... also the effects like shadow rotation etc which need to be done thru ps if using open office but 2k7 has it in itself ... which means making presentations is more easier more fun and yields a lot better results ... (iv faced it)
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din
Tribal Boy
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Ok, I meant to tell you - this statment is wrong. It is not your statement.
There are very essential things which a normal user / corporate user need - which are missing in alternative office suits and which are only in MS office
As per personal preference, you might have liked some features, but that does not mean that evey one need those features. That does not keep the majority away from using alternatives too.
For common man / corporate user, the alternatives are pretty much sufficient. They do not need each and every single feature MS introduces. The alternative suits will work for them pretty well.
Personal preference - I use the direct conversion to pdf = option in open office a lot. Really helpful for me. But I am not telling its a great feature and it is missing in some versions of MS Office.
Those are all personal preferences
Ok, I meant to tell you - this statment is wrong. It is not your statement.
There are very essential things which a normal user / corporate user need - which are missing in alternative office suits and which are only in MS office
As per personal preference, you might have liked some features, but that does not mean that evey one need those features. That does not keep the majority away from using alternatives too.
For common man / corporate user, the alternatives are pretty much sufficient. They do not need each and every single feature MS introduces. The alternative suits will work for them pretty well.
Personal preference - I use the direct conversion to pdf = option in open office a lot. Really helpful for me. But I am not telling its a great feature and it is missing in some versions of MS Office.
Those are all personal preferences
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infra_red_dude
Wire muncher!
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imav, most (almost all) of the things you've listed are a greater variety and not more features.
edit: this reminds me of arya's "features" post!
imav, most (almost all) of the things you've listed are a greater variety and not more features.
edit: this reminds me of arya's "features" post!
iMav
The Devil's Advocate
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@infra well if they arent features for u ur wish they are for me ... having the ability to certain actions that require another software in this case ps becomes a feature for the software that has the ability
coming back to pdf ... well if gx hasnt said it enough i say it again ... there is an office plugin that can be downloaded for this and it is adobe that refused to allow ms using it in the package by default
and what does an i in bold meandin said:
@infra well if they arent features for u ur wish they are for me ... having the ability to certain actions that require another software in this case ps becomes a feature for the software that has the abilitycoming back to pdf ... well if gx hasnt said it enough i say it again ... there is an office plugin that can be downloaded for this and it is adobe that refused to allow ms using it in the package by default
drgrudge
Another Brick in the Wall
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iMav -
Arya was right when he posted the "iMav: More features, more features, more features!" thing.
It makes me wonder why anyone would want to buy a hefty suite for some petty features (even if you don't agree - I'm sure many will).
I'm not sure as how you got your MS Office. Will you use it, if you were to pay the full money? Assuming that you do buy it, I'm sure 50% or more users won't.
iMav -
Arya was right when he posted the "iMav: More features, more features, more features!" thing.
It makes me wonder why anyone would want to buy a hefty suite for some petty features (even if you don't agree - I'm sure many will).
I'm not sure as how you got your MS Office. Will you use it, if you were to pay the full money? Assuming that you do buy it, I'm sure 50% or more users won't.
din
Tribal Boy
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When you mentioned you are missing something terribly, all thought its something valid and really useful for the normal customer / corporate user .
Now, from my experience - for your kind information
My friend works in US Softwares (having thousands of employees, having offices in US etc and 100% exporting software firm). They use open office for the presentations. It works pretty well for a company like them.
Now if people want something even higher level of presentation softwares, they will not use this MS Office or alternatives. They will go for interactive animattion things.
So for normal user and corp user, the alternatives are there.
And PDF, I never complained MS has no pdf option !! I was telling I liked the feature of Open Office for that but that does not mean that it is a general requirement for feature. Majority may not use it, so if I tell - MS Office lack something terribly - because of that, then it is rubbish.
@drgrudge
I am not saying all - but Some of the GREAT MS supporters in this forum use the FREE OS / Office suit MS gave them and I guess thats is a major reason they support MS
And I am sure, they will not do this much blind support if they Really pay for it.
[Edit] - Strictly a personal opnion and do not want to hurt anyone using genuine softwares after paying for it.
iMav said:
When you mentioned you are missing something terribly, all thought its something valid and really useful for the normal customer / corporate user .
Now, from my experience - for your kind information
My friend works in US Softwares (having thousands of employees, having offices in US etc and 100% exporting software firm). They use open office for the presentations. It works pretty well for a company like them.
Now if people want something even higher level of presentation softwares, they will not use this MS Office or alternatives. They will go for interactive animattion things.
So for normal user and corp user, the alternatives are there.
And PDF, I never complained MS has no pdf option !! I was telling I liked the feature of Open Office for that but that does not mean that it is a general requirement for feature. Majority may not use it, so if I tell - MS Office lack something terribly - because of that, then it is rubbish.
@drgrudge
I am not saying all - but Some of the GREAT MS supporters in this forum use the FREE OS / Office suit MS gave them and I guess thats is a major reason they support MS
And I am sure, they will not do this much blind support if they Really pay for it.
[Edit] - Strictly a personal opnion and do not want to hurt anyone using genuine softwares after paying for it.
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iMav
The Devil's Advocate
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well ur frenz shud try this coz mine have and we use ppt extensively and even make ppts for others using ppt and they seem to love the final outcome ...
besides the 1s i said were top of the head once u use it there are small nifty things taht u say o good i can do this also and thats when the final outcome becomes more than just a normal presentation
and i have paid for most of my windows software .. i aint no mvp just a user
and iv always said that open office and iworkdont suffice my needs and i find office 2k7 better to work with
well ur frenz shud try this coz mine have and we use ppt extensively and even make ppts for others using ppt and they seem to love the final outcome ...
besides the 1s i said were top of the head once u use it there are small nifty things taht u say o good i can do this also
and thats when the final outcome becomes more than just a normal presentation and i have paid for most of my windows software .. i aint no mvp just a user
and iv always said that open office and iworkdont suffice my needs and i find office 2k7 better to work with
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aryayush
Aspiring Novelist
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@din
For further reference on this behaviour (henceforth christened "iMavness"), please read this post (this is the one goobimama, infra_red_dude and drgrudge were talking about):
*www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=601031&postcount=1002
Please note that I am not advocating the use of iWork to you. Use whatever crap you want; I couldn't care less. In fact, I'll be happiest the day you spare poor Mac OS X the disgrace of being installed on your PC and uninstall it.
But I do wish that you would stop bashing each and everything that Apple releases, specially in this thread. And when I make an observation to interested people like goobimama about some cool new feature in some Mac OS X application, stop comparing it to Windows software. Not only is it insulting to be compared to that crap again and again, it is also very distracting and there is a limit to how much one can tolerate.
Just assume that we (Mac users, that is) are just a bunch of jumpy little kids who are condemned to using an OS that sucks and has very few features so we become excited at every little new feature we discover. We have no life. Happy! Whatever you do, just stop polluting this topic. Thank you!
Back to the original topic at hand: Did someone notice how the Mac version of the same software from the same company is so much cooler. Just look at that Office 2008 website iMav provided the link to. Looks really cool. (Though I bet it is not going to hold a candle to iWork '08, but that remains to be seen.)
@din
For further reference on this behaviour (henceforth christened "iMavness"), please read this post (this is the one goobimama, infra_red_dude and drgrudge were talking about):
*www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=601031&postcount=1002
Oh, so good variety is suddenly so important now. It wasn't quite so important when we were discussing iWork '08. The fact that Keynote has better transitions and effects was immaterial to you; but now that PowerPoint seems to have the upper-hand in this particular department when compared to OpenOffice, it is suddenly the most essential thing you could ask fro. LOL!iMav said:and what does an i in bold mean
Please note that I am not advocating the use of iWork to you. Use whatever crap you want; I couldn't care less. In fact, I'll be happiest the day you spare poor Mac OS X the disgrace of being installed on your PC and uninstall it.
But I do wish that you would stop bashing each and everything that Apple releases, specially in this thread. And when I make an observation to interested people like goobimama about some cool new feature in some Mac OS X application, stop comparing it to Windows software. Not only is it insulting to be compared to that crap again and again, it is also very distracting and there is a limit to how much one can tolerate.
Just assume that we (Mac users, that is) are just a bunch of jumpy little kids who are condemned to using an OS that sucks and has very few features so we become excited at every little new feature we discover. We have no life. Happy! Whatever you do, just stop polluting this topic. Thank you!
Back to the original topic at hand: Did someone notice how the Mac version of the same software from the same company is so much cooler. Just look at that Office 2008 website iMav provided the link to. Looks really cool. (Though I bet it is not going to hold a candle to iWork '08, but that remains to be seen.)
goobimama
Macboy
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Reminds me of this Ashok Sharaab dialog: "Oye Billuuuu, tu zaraa sa Hilluuu"
MS Paint is lighter than Photoshop.
MS Paint is better?
I'm just asking a reasonable question. Which is better? If anyone has used both with an unbiased mind, then please come forward. I do like lightroom... but I haven't used Aperture so I can't say.
Reminds me of this Ashok Sharaab dialog: "Oye Billuuuu, tu zaraa sa Hilluuu"
MS Paint is lighter than Photoshop.
MS Paint is better?
I'm just asking a reasonable question. Which is better? If anyone has used both with an unbiased mind, then please come forward. I do like lightroom... but I haven't used Aperture so I can't say.
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iMav
The Devil's Advocate
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who says keynote has better transitions ... the transitions that keynote has today have been ther since office 2003
theres siddhuism and theres iMaveness ... super cool ... i love it damn im famous ... and yeah no to forget that ppt has a better UI than keynote ...
who says keynote has better transitions ... the transitions that keynote has today have been ther since office 2003
theres siddhuism and theres iMaveness ... super cool ... i love it
damn im famous ... and yeah no to forget that ppt has a better UI than keynote ...
infra_red_dude
Wire muncher!
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all i can see from ur posts is that there are more number of charts, transistions, arrows, cliparts.
and i fail to understand how hafing more numbers of these will lead to this: making presentations is more easier more fun
anyways, i won't comment on anyone "buying" MS Office
all i wanna say is, if some person gives his/her opinion it shud be substaintiated. a vague opinion (like search in google) makes the poster look immature and idiotic.
ps: my comments are not intended at hurting someone and are neither directed to someone spcific. it applies to all.
feature feature more feature my feature... thats a thing of the past now! it should be replaced wid "variety variety, more variety, my variety"!!iMav said:
all i can see from ur posts is that there are more number of charts, transistions, arrows, cliparts.
and i fail to understand how hafing more numbers of these will lead to this: making presentations is more easier more fun
anyways, i won't comment on anyone "buying" MS Office
all i wanna say is, if some person gives his/her opinion it shud be substaintiated. a vague opinion (like search in google) makes the poster look immature and idiotic.
ps: my comments are not intended at hurting someone and are neither directed to someone spcific. it applies to all.
gxsaurav
You gave been GXified
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Word 2007 is better then OpeNOffice.org Writer cos it makes it easier for me to make charts, write text, post directly to my blog on any host, use predefined templates for things & use 10000 of resources on Office online.
In OpenOffice Writer, I have to dig through many menus to do these tasks. There is no additional resources like Office online of Word 2007.
Obviously Word 2007 is better then OpenOffice writer.
Word 2007 is better then OpeNOffice.org Writer cos it makes it easier for me to make charts, write text, post directly to my blog on any host, use predefined templates for things & use 10000 of resources on Office online.
In OpenOffice Writer, I have to dig through many menus to do these tasks. There is no additional resources like Office online of Word 2007.
Obviously Word 2007 is better then OpenOffice writer.
iMav
The Devil's Advocate
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... but i find it very stupid to post things and then take screenhsots to show the difference and then some 1 will come say something scrutinize the whole thing thn i will counter it ... too much waste of time .... and i have given links which show case the software capabilities something that i would type if already documented doesnt need me to type it again to prove a point rather i refer the link ....
none takeninfra_red_dude said:
... but i find it very stupid to post things and then take screenhsots to show the difference and then some 1 will come say something scrutinize the whole thing thn i will counter it ... too much waste of time .... and i have given links which show case the software capabilities something that i would type if already documented doesnt need me to type it again to prove a point rather i refer the link ....
goobimama
Macboy
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In my opinion, considering that OOo is free and Word costs whatever, Writer and the others jokers are more than enough for regular office work. I replaced Office in the office to Openoffice.org, and they didn't even know the difference. And I'm not talking about the "What the hell is this!"-Ribbon of Office 2007. It sure it a nice interface, but for regular users its very confusing. Office has a lot of features but the fact that it comes at a price is kind of makes the switch to OOo that much smoother...
I use iWork for all my needs though....
In my opinion, considering that OOo is free and Word costs whatever, Writer and the others jokers are more than enough for regular office work. I replaced Office in the office to Openoffice.org, and they didn't even know the difference. And I'm not talking about the "What the hell is this!"-Ribbon of Office 2007. It sure it a nice interface, but for regular users its very confusing. Office has a lot of features but the fact that it comes at a price is kind of makes the switch to OOo that much smoother...
I use iWork for all my needs though....