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[jamesbond007]

@aryayush

You love Macs....fine, you worship Jobs...cool, no one has got any problem with it. But why on earth do you criticize Windows and linux users. Why are you hell bent of forcing people to like what you like and hate what you hate. Let the people choose what they want, ie7 , firefox or Safari. Let the people decide which is the best OS for them, however as a mac user you have every right on telling people ' Mac OS is great, try it out'
You behave like the Moral Police who have problem with people celebrating Valentine's day. You need to set an example, like you've set one for me, if isn't for your posts on this thread, I'd still have remained a Linux user. You've inspired me to use not just Mac OS but also all the default apps bundled with Mac OS like Safari, Mail etc. I tried them because you use them and I use them because I've started liking them.

You say RMS a loser !! boy trust me RMS is much bigger than Gates and Jobs put together!!
You may flame ( I know you will ) at me but this is what I wanted to say.

@others
People stop flaming and blaming we are talking technology here

k

Bandar kya jane, Adarak ka Swaad ?
Ghadha kya jane, Sone ki Mool ?
Mac User kya jane, Commandline ki Jaado ?

Thats a stone cold stunner!! but it wasn't needed right ??

 

[MetalheadGautham]

Thats a stone cold stunner!! but it wasn't needed right ??

I couldn't control myself, sorry.

 

[aryayush]

To everyone, I'm sorry! I didn't realise there would be such an uproar. My comment was out of line. I'd intended to just post it as an observation (because, admit it or not, it is pretty funny that someone browses the Internet through email), but the additional comments were uncalled for.

Sorry!

 

[FilledVoid]

because, admit it or not, it is pretty funny that someone browses the Internet through email)

Again its not. Just cause a person does something out of the ordinary need not be funny. Your lame sense of humor fails to find its audience if any. Oh wait. How does something funny about RMS browsing talents contribute to this thread anyway?

 

[jamesbond007]

Sorry!

Thats a gentleman thing. I thought you'd use that multi quote thing on this forum

 

[aryayush]

I think I tend to know when I'm wrong.

Again its not. Just cause a person does something out of the ordinary need not be funny. Your lame sense of humor fails to find its audience if any. Oh wait. How does something funny about RMS browsing talents contribute to this thread anyway?

Because, every once in a while, you stumble upon stuff you can't create a new thread for.

I find it funny (and even idiotic, if I may add). You may not. You don't have to agree with me. And I apologised for the additional crap I'd “dished out”. As hard as it may be for you to believe, the best of us make mistakes sometimes (not that I count myself as one of the best or anything).

So yeah, now that I've apologised, I see no reason why I should sit and listen to others saying that my sense of humour is “lame” or any other insult. So please keep it to yourself.


Again, I'm sorry and feel ashamed to have started this. I request some moderator to delete the inappropriate posts if you feel the need to.

Let's just put a cork in it now, shall we?

 

[MetalheadGautham]

To everyone, I'm sorry! I didn't realise there would be such an uproar. My comment was out of line. I'd intended to just post it as an observation (because, admit it or not, it is pretty funny that someone browses the Internet through email), but the additional comments were uncalled for.

Sorry!

I think I tend to know when I'm wrong.

Because, every once in a while, you stumble upon stuff you can't create a new thread for.

I find it funny (and even idiotic, if I may add). You may not. You don't have to agree with me. And I apologised for the additional crap I'd “dished out”. As hard as it may be for you to believe, the best of us make mistakes sometimes (not that I count myself as one of the best or anything).

So yeah, now that I've apologised, I see no reason why I should sit and listen to others saying that my sense of humour is “lame” or any other insult. So please keep it to yourself.


Again, I'm sorry and feel ashamed to have started this. I request some moderator to delete the inappropriate posts if you feel the need to.

Let's just put a cork in it now, shall we?

apopogies accepted.
the posts need not be deleted because the issue has been sorted out.
continue ontopic discussions if you may so please. here is one:

How over-clockable are the processors located in the over-crowded insides of the MacMini and iMac ?

 

[preshit.net]

iPhone to be available in India later this year from Bharti Airtel too.

[Reuters] & [rediff]

 

[FilledVoid]

I find it funny (and even idiotic, if I may add). You may not. You don't have to agree with me. And I apologised for the additional crap I'd “dished out”. As hard as it may be for you to believe, the best of us make mistakes sometimes (not that I count myself as one of the best or anything).

I'm but a very humble person . Anyone on IRC would definitely vouch for that. This is not the first time someone has done this before and the tactic is kind of getting old. You may find the above funny/idiotic. And again I say I / we don't. Justifying something you did and then coming up with an apology fails to convey any significance.

Sorry for continuing on but this thread has had lots of instances where other users would have been thrown out of this forum with a minutes notice.

 

[QwertyManiac]

To aryayush:

Many developers would prefer to use vim or emacs over a GUI editor just for the sake of its simplicity and the tons of ideas that has gone behind it to make it what it is today. They would push out code much faster than you would with your fancy text editors like TextMate or Kate.

Its efficiency some people need, not visuals and other unnecessary components like you, as a Mac "user" are so heavily reliant on. (Try being something more than just a user, ever developed something your entire life? How very reliant are you on tools that you use for your development?)

By laughing at him there you also insult tons out there who actually know their computers far better than you do (Which are probably just the click-ables and press-ables). Please, if you do not understand why people use something for, don't laugh out at them, whatever their status may be. People are not fools to use stupid stuff to get things done, its a natural human tendency to be efficient. You are not human if you do not have that kind of a tendency.

All you look for always in any software/hardware whatsoever are its finishing and the cosmetic benefits. You never have looked at what functionality really means. Wget is the best tool out there for putting any file on any network onto your desktop with just one simple call. Your "downloading programs" are similarly based upon. Know things before you attempt to criticize them.

Its not the "problem of Linux users", as you see it, that we choose to be more functional, free and stylish in our own way. People with tools you consider inferior can manage to beat you black and blue at competitions of speed and efficiency because they use something that has JUST the things they need and not a single distractive feature or bloat over that. Their skills in such an environment would develop much faster than yours without.

He chose to use that because all that he browses needs only this much. He is not someone like you or another user who visits pornographic sites (as an example) occasionally or out of an addiction and thereby requires a graphical browser.

Donald Knuth does not use an email, he in fact downgraded in 1990 by giving up his email ID and he felt very happy after that. Now to call him insane would clearly show that its you who are really insane and also very unproductive in life. You can't even TRY to reach a stature as high as Knuth or even for that matter, Jobs. You'll just be another common person with this kind of an attitude.

Try being flexible with the world at times, it can't be hard even for the mentally crippled, cause he can choose to stay silent as well.

But then, having proved yourself cleanly as what a GX would be for the Apple Inc. I don't think you'd pay any heed and sooner or later return to the same bashing and feeling irritated with the way the world rotates on its axis.

 

[iMav]

holy mother of GOd this so not the Mac Boy month on thinkdigit, if you know what I mean

 

[MetalheadGautham]

I'm but a very humble person . Anyone on IRC would definitely vouch for that. This is not the first time someone has done this before and the tactic is kind of getting old. You may find the above funny/idiotic. And again I say I / we don't. Justifying something you did and then coming up with an apology fails to convey any significance.

Sorry for continuing on but this thread has had lots of instances where other users would have been thrown out of this forum with a minutes notice.

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To aryayush:

Many developers would prefer to use vim or emacs over a GUI editor just for the sake of its simplicity and the tons of ideas that has gone behind it to make it what it is today. They would push out code much faster than you would with your fancy text editors like TextMate or Kate.

Its efficiency some people need, not visuals and other unnecessary components like you, as a Mac "user" are so heavily reliant on. (Try being something more than just a user, ever developed something your entire life? How very reliant are you on tools that you use for your development?)

By laughing at him there you also insult tons out there who actually know their computers far better than you do (Which are probably just the click-ables and press-ables). Please, if you do not understand why people use something for, don't laugh out at them, whatever their status may be. People are not fools to use stupid stuff to get things done, its a natural human tendency to be efficient. You are not human if you do not have that kind of a tendency.

All you look for always in any software/hardware whatsoever are its finishing and the cosmetic benefits. You never have looked at what functionality really means. Wget is the best tool out there for putting any file on any network onto your desktop with just one simple call. Your "downloading programs" are similarly based upon. Know things before you attempt to criticize them.

Its not the "problem of Linux users", as you see it, that we choose to be more functional, free and stylish in our own way. People with tools you consider inferior can manage to beat you black and blue at competitions of speed and efficiency because they use something that has JUST the things they need and not a single distractive feature or bloat over that. Their skills in such an environment would develop much faster than yours without.

He chose to use that because all that he browses needs only this much. He is not someone like you or another user who visits pornographic sites (as an example) occasionally or out of an addiction and thereby requires a graphical browser.

Donald Knuth does not use an email, he in fact downgraded in 1990 by giving up his email ID and he felt very happy after that. Now to call him insane would clearly show that its you who are really insane and also very unproductive in life. You can't even TRY to reach a stature as high as Knuth or even for that matter, Jobs. You'll just be another common person with this kind of an attitude.

Try being flexible with the world at times, it can't be hard even for the mentally crippled, cause he can choose to stay silent as well.

But then, having proved yourself cleanly as what a GX would be for the Apple Inc. I don't think you'd pay any heed and sooner or later return to the same bashing and feeling irritated with the way the world rotates on its axis.

excellently put there, and an extremely philosophical viewpoint you have given.

 

[goobimama]

Its efficiency some people need, not visuals and other unnecessary components like you, as a Mac "user" are so heavily reliant on. (Try being something more than just a user, ever developed something your entire life? How very reliant are you on tools that you use for your development?)

Can someone tell me why oh why is a GUI based interface less efficient? So if you get your code colour coded and formatted it becomes more difficult to read?
[*at this point of time I will append the 'no offence to linux users' clause, for fear of getting the royal treatment ]

@Metalhead: No you cannot over-clock the processors. First of all there is no BIOS for you to over-clock. Secondly, even if you could, don't.

 

[Pathik]

Hehe. ^ Makes you happy. Doesn't it?

 

[MetalheadGautham]

@Metalhead: No you cannot over-clock the processors. First of all there is no BIOS for you to over-clock. Secondly, even if you could, don't.

why ? is it because of the cramped spaces in iMac and macMini ?

 

[QwertyManiac]

Can someone tell me why oh why is a GUI based interface less efficient? So if you get your code colour coded and formatted it becomes more difficult to read?
[*at this point of time I will append the 'no offence to linux users' clause, for fear of getting the royal treatment ]

@Metalhead: No you cannot over-clock the processors. First of all there is no BIOS for you to over-clock. Secondly, even if you could, don't.

[This is exactly what I don't like. You think command-line/command-driven software are no fun. Colors on monitor came before GUI was developed, what made you think a console editor would not have neat color formatting?]

If you didn't already know, syntax-highlighting has been a forte of even vim and emacs for longer than you've known about TextMate or any GUI editor.

I did not say GUI is less efficient at everything but I did say that excessive GUI use for something that does not need it, makes for lots of waste in time.

Asking one to use command-driven software as a replacement of core-graphic software such as Photoshop would be madness of course. There are things that let you work and there are things that let you work efficiently. Once you know which one would give you more work output via the least time, you win.

Imagine Photoshop without keyboard shortcuts for example, as of how a software that focuses only on the looks and features of it but lacks out on functionality would tend to be like.

Edit: If I had time and patience, I'd write an application cleanly demonstrating how much time you could save keystroking shortcuts than pointing and clicking at things and acting the corely-GUI user way. For new users that is fine, but you do learn to discover better things don't you?

Also, it never were about Linux Goobi, its about finding things you do not understand funnier. You can very well use most of the FOSS on any platform.

 

[aryayush]

iPhone to be available in India later this year from Bharti Airtel too.

[Reuters] & [rediff]

Hey, that's certainly good news.

India is actually far more advanced than the U.S. when it comes to the cellular network, established protocols and rates.

If you didn't already know, syntax-highlighting has been a forte of even vim and emacs for longer than you've known about TextMate or any GUI editor.

I did not say GUI is less efficient at everything but I did say that excessive GUI use for something that does not need it, makes for lots of waste in time.

Asking one to use command-driven software as a replacement of core-graphic software such as Photoshop would be madness of course. There are things that let you work and there are things that let you work efficiently. Once you know which one would give you more work output via the least time, you win.

Imagine Photoshop without keyboard shortcuts for example, as of how a software that focuses only on the looks and features of it but lacks out on functionality would tend to be like.

Edit: If I had time and patience, I'd write an application cleanly demonstrating how much time you could save keystroking shortcuts than pointing and clicking at things and acting the corely-GUI user way. For new users that is fine, but you do learn to discover better things don't you?

You can justify it all you want but it's a fact, and you know it, that having webpages emailed to you before you read them is just plain stupid. I'm not even sure how it works. How does he Google stuff? Does he never use Google? Do people email him links to webpages that he should check out and he then proceeds to have them emailed to his inbox, unlike the complicated method all we poor people use which involves actually clicking the link?

Command line may be faster for some things, specially batch processes and stuff, but it's a well known fact that GUIs are more user friendly and faster. Most command line users I know do it just to feel superior than we poor GUI users who do so just because we don't know any better.

There are two ways to do everything: the easy way and the geeky way, which is hard for normal people. And just because you choose the CLI method doesn't mean that the people who use GUIs do so because they are less smarter than you. It's just pretty clear which method saves time and looks better while doing so.

And yeah, I don't have a problem with people using command line for doing their tasks, not even when they're having webpages emailed to them because launching a web browser and typing in the URL is just too darned inconvenient. I don't have a problem with that. But let's call a spade a spade, shall we? Just because Richard Stallman does it doesn't make it any better.

 

[mehulved]

To everyone, I'm sorry! I didn't realise there would be such an uproar. My comment was out of line. I'd intended to just post it as an observation (because, admit it or not, it is pretty funny that someone browses the Internet through email), but the additional comments were uncalled for.

Sorry!

Believe it or not but lots of people make you do what he does voluntarily. Haven't you ever read an HTML email? So, reading html pages from a mail client is just an extension of reading an HTML email. He is rather going in a direction that is ahead of others. He is using a daemon to fetch html emails forward it to his email client and read it as if it was an HTML mail.
And again isn't this an example of convergence? We all talk and want convergence in hardware, but why not software?

 

[aryayush]

For further posts on this topic, I urge you to create a CLI vs GUI thread in the Fight Club and carry on there, please.

We've gone way too off-topic here…

 

[iMav]

being on the sidelines sometimes is fun too carry on