*** Science Or God? ***

[theterminator]

Re: Indian Economy Going down

Abrahamic religions believe in proselytising. (Jihadis are forcing others to "convert", eat beef et cetera.) The "Hindus" in this thread are the same. Just a bit more sophisticated. Trying to find every answer in texts.

Because every answer (if not all) exists in those texts.

I read something on the similar lines somewhere on Times of India, "Our vegetarian atma-gyani yindoo warriors were no match for the invading meat eating moslems. " - nonsense but funny.

What was the point in bringing this up, I didn't understood. You added the word "nonsense" after a long time .

I didn't even mock any "religion" in here, you think I'd mock Sardar Patel?

To quote you:

There is nothing sacred in the universe.

There are many things considered sacred in the Hindu religion. You just "wiped" them off by one single line including the many in your mind while writing that line.

 

[vijju6091]

Both of them

 

[srkmish]

I was a staunch atheist in my college days and used to furiously argue with others over the ridiculous concept that is God. Now i realize whether or not i believe in God doesn't relate to how well i live my life. This question is for idiots to ponder over to waste their mental energy. Smart people use their energy to be creative, not to venture on an endless quest of philosophical musings. Atheism is just an intellectual ego that some people cherish because it makes them feel intellectually superior to the 'believers'.

 

[skeletor]

I was a staunch atheist in my college days and used to furiously argue with others over the ridiculous concept that is God. Now i realize whether or not i believe in God doesn't relate to how well i live my life. This question is for idiots to ponder over to waste their mental energy. Smart people use their energy to be creative, not to venture on an endless quest of philosophical musings. Atheism is just an intellectual ego that some people cherish because it makes them feel intellectually superior to the 'believers'.

yup. Completely true.

 

[geek_rocker]

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[doomgiver]

lets bump this thread a little. lets not have it die a premature death (if it dies, will we have to post in heaven or hell?)

 

[srkmish]

Sheldon: Leonard, where do you stand on the anthropic principle?

Leonard: Interesting question. On the one hand, I always thought…

Sheldon: You don’t even know what it is, do you? The anthropic principle states that if we wish to explain why our universe exists the way it does, the answer is that it must have qualities that allow intelligent creatures to arise who are capable of asking the question. As I am doing so eloquently right now.

Leonard: I know what the anthropic principle is.

Sheldon: Of course. I just explained it to you. Now, where do you stand on it?

Leonard: Where do you stand on it?

Sheldon: Strongly pro.

Leonard: Then I believe that God created the world in six days, and on the seventh he made you to annoy me.

 

[doomgiver]

^anthromorphic

 

[bssunilreddy]

If the Universe is created 6 billion years ago out of Big bang which has about 1 million galaxies containing some 30 billion star systems then there might be planets like ours which satisfies the goldy locks theory. So there must be at least 10000 planets existing right as we speak supporting some form of life then should we assume that GOD is only for us or for also them.

 

[whitestar_999]

big bang happened ~13.8 billion years ago.

 

[doomgiver]

If the Universe is created 6 billion years ago out of Big bang which has about 1 million galaxies containing some 30 billion star systems then there might be planets like ours which satisfies the goldy locks theory. So there must be at least 10000 planets existing right as we speak supporting some form of life then should we assume that GOD is only for us or for also them.

this is the most inaccurate information anyone has ever posted on these forums. there are more 100 billion galaxies that have been observed, and thats only 1/3 of what we can see. goldylocks theory assumes that life will be similar to our own, so its parameters may be waaaay off.

 

[bssunilreddy]

this is the most inaccurate information anyone has ever posted on these forums. there are more 100 billion galaxies that have been observed, and thats only 1/3 of what we can see. goldylocks theory assumes that life will be similar to our own, so its parameters may be waaaay off.

OK.I was wrong but look what I found out buddy.

Facts about the Universe:

The universe is currently estimated at roughly 13.7 billion years old, give or take 130 million years. In comparison, the solar system is only about 4.6 billion years old.

Our Sun is part of a spiral galaxy called the Milky Way, and lies about two-thirds of the way out from the centre to the edge.

For the Milky Way, the sun lies at a distance of 28,000 light years and has an orbital speed of 220 km/s.

When we add the portion of the Milky Way that lies outside the sun’s orbit, we get approximately 200 billion stars.

How many stars and galaxies in the universe?

The best estimates suggest that there are at least 70 thousand million million million (70 sextillion or 7 × 10[SUP]22[/SUP]) stars in the Universe. The Universe probably contains more than 100 thousand million (100 billion or 10[SUP]11[/SUP]) galaxies.

How many Planets might exist that satisfy Goldilocks theory?

Astronomers estimate 100 million habitable Earth-like planets in the Milky Way.

 

[harshilsharma63]

^ the sample space is simply way too big for Earth to be only planet with habitual conditions. Aliens definitely exist and so do non-human intelligent lifer. Also, although number of combinations of molecules are theoretically infinite, stable organic molecules stable enough to form DNA are finite (same reason why we have finite elements while more than 16k elements are found in nature). For these finite DNA,s there will be millions which are our own copy. In other words, mathematically, the probability of millions of our own copies existing and some living the exact same life as ours and some exhibiting one of several choices we would have made is very high.

 

[whitestar_999]

^^no offense but please post proven scientific facts only when arguing on behalf of science in a science/god thread & leave faith based arguments for religious side.aliens existence is not proven yet.elements refer to basic elements in periodic table & are finite in no. & less than 120 with some man-made.there is a valid reason why elements with very large atomic numbers are not possible because of certain limits(atomic theory).human DNA has 4 amino acids(A,T,C,G) & over 3 billion base pairs(AT & CG) so that total no. of possible combinations is over 4^3000000000 which is equal to 64*(10^9).this does not even include the minor differences in DNA like length of dna strand etc.chances of a same dna occuring in nature is infinitely small.

 

[doomgiver]

-snip- some correct facts were stated -snip-
How many stars and galaxies in the universe?

(100 billion or 10[SUP]11[/SUP]) galaxies.
(1. my point exactly)
How many Planets might exist that satisfy Goldilocks theory?

Astronomers estimate 100 billion habitable Earth-like planets in the Milky Way, So 50 sextillion planets in the universe.
(2. lol)

1. thats similar to what i said.
i said there were roughly 100 billion OBSERVABLE galaxies. there are many more out there, we cant see them yet (their light/information has not yet reached us)

2. lolwut? 100 billion HABITABLE EARTH-LIKE PLANETS? what weed are you smoking? i want some too.
where are your sources? which astronomer has said this? i'd like to know so that i can send their name to the Darwin Awards (which they so highly deserve)

there are ~200 billion stars in the milky way. 1/3 of them are too old to have planets 1/3 of them are too young to have planets (im assuming each star population is distributed evenly, this is just a logical asusmption)
this leaves us with ~66 billion stars that can have planets.

so, you wanna say, that, if we randomly pick ANY star that can support planets, we can find a habiltable eathlike planet orbiting it? thats BULL-EFFING-$HIT.

let me re-iterate, incase you donot understand :

you say 100 billion earth-planets exist (imma just call them earths coz typing that **** is too long) in this galaxy.
i say (its a proven fact) that only 33% of the current stellar population can have planets orbiting them.
then, accroding to your theorry, EVERY one of the stars that can support planets has an earth orbiting it.
do you see the huge flaw in your reasoning?
i mean, if you cant even logically thing before posting, just keep away.

oh wait, this is the internet. all are allowed.

^ the sample space is simply way too big for Earth to be only planet with habitual conditions. Aliens definitely exist and so do non-human intelligent lifer.

aliens DEFINITELY exist. if life is as random as it is, i'd put my bet on alteast ~10k planets in the galaxy having life supporting planets (read : life supporting, NOT earth-like)
out of those, maybe 100 may have advanced life (like plants, insects)
out of those, maybe ~10 have sentient life
out of those, maybe ~2-3 may reach spaceflight.
out of those, only humanity will prevail (HUMANITY FVCK YEAH!!!)
(sorry, couldnt resist)

ok, so basically, what i wanna say is, extra-solar life is possible, but you wont be flirting iwth blue girls anytime too soon.

-polite snip-

(i think me meant 16k MOLECULES, not elements)

 

[whitestar_999]

^^i am from older generation & when talking/reading about science i assume the talk to be in standard scientific notation.elements mean periodic table elements,only few elements exist in nature in free state & rest exist in compounds & mixtures(air is also a mixture containing molecules of oxygen,nitrogen etc).16k can only mean compounds & mixtures not molecules or elements in nature.

 

[RohanM]

Please also watch all "Ancient Aliens" season in hindi or english on you tube.. Superb....
Ancient Aliens Season 5

 

[Skyh3ck]

Yes I watch ancient aliens

 

[Skyh3ck]

And yes I believe there is possibility of aliens. Not necessariry they need water. Air or anything like we do on earth. Who knows they have some other elements to support life

 

[ratul]

And yes I believe there is possibility of aliens. Not necessariry they need water. Air or anything like we do on earth. Who knows they have some other elements to support life

^^^ This..
I always think that what if our own sun has some form of life, which are evolved to live in those extreme temps, we obviously don't know about every lifeform in this universe.. :