Road Sense? Sorry what's that?

[Faun]

Agree that politeness is considered as weakness.

Once a person took U turn in the shortest arch without turning on indicator or watching the traffic back. I almost couldn't understand what he was trying to do but at the last moment tried to swerve on the right hand side, got my bike's front tire under his car as he did the shortest arch U turn to the right.

And then I see people crossing road while talking over phone, regardless of the oncoming traffic.

 

[theterminator]

It's because discipline has not been taught into their minds. This is what happens when you have illiterate minds in a majority in society. These minds can be of persons who are affluent as well as poor. The solution is to use some sort of force to inflict such sense & make irate people realize their mistakes.

 

[dashing.sujay]

Few days ago I say a traffic cop in Delhi, riding on a pulsar, forcefully stopped a beamer (and may be fined or warned), apparently due to the reason he was talking on phone. Most of the cops don't stop high end vehicles considering them to be of a powerful person. But this incident really made me smile and believe that some persons are still performing their duty with full honesty.

As far as small cities are concerned, the universal law is applied there. In big cities, you get more developments, better infrastructure, stricter laws, and what not. If govt/administration starts paying attention towards these areas (smaller cities & such), then situation will certainly improve, if not on the scale of big cities, but still. One thing has to be remembered, people need to be made learn, they don't learn on their own. Period.

 

[d3p]

Good initiative. Sometimes I also wonder about driving licences, and how people get them without knowing basic rules, and safety tips.

Not every rich brat needs a driving license, when he can afford a uneducated Cocky Driver. The Problem is with the common people itself, rather than rich people.

Just the other day I was in traffic, near lilavati hospital in bandra mumbai, and this idiot in an SUV, a driver, stuck his car into my rear bumper. The result? I moved forward and half my bumper came off. I was in a regular traffic jam, bumper to bumper, so just inching forward like everyone else. This fool was trying to squeeze the person behind me out of the way and came a little too close to my car - his driver side touching my passenger side rear bumper. I went ahead so as not to block traffic and parked where I got space.

There was a woman in the back seat of the car, obviously rich, on her phone, oblivious to everything. The driver tried to run away, of course, but I blocked him by walking into traffic, he stopped, and since there was a lady in the car, I was polite, and said how are you driving like this, in Hindi to the driver. He starts abusing, and says why cant you look and drive, why did you cut me off?

Obviously I was amazed. I had no clue that cars can apparently turn their back wheels only and move towards another car that's behind them. I decided that this idiot driver just wouldn't understand. So I tried to speak to the lady, I called her Ma'am, was super polite, and basically said, surely you know it's your driver's fault, as the front of your car has caused damage to my rear bumper. However she was on the phone, and refused to get off the phone, and just looked confused.

The driver kept on with his ridiculous accusations that I had turned into his car somehow when all I did was move forward 2 feet when the car ahead of me moved, and in an absolute straight line. Since we were blocking traffic, I asked the lady, can you please make him go ahead and stop, it's not money I'm interested in, it's correcting your driver and making him understand that the car at the back is always to blame for such accidents. She told him park ahead, I got out of the way, the driver promptly drove away at high speed, and the woman said nothing to him. She didn't even look back. This is the problem with India. No one gives a hoot for whats right and wrong, to save 10 minutes we put everyone else at risk, and if you're polite, you're considered a weakling.

^ This situation is pretty common in India. Zero Driving Sense, Driving License issued to people for making money than others safety over roads.

I am sure if I had got out of the car yelling maa behen ki gaalis, threatening murder, blocked the traffic, kept on blocking his car, waited an hour for the cops, and maybe taken my tyre iron and beat him over the head with it, I'd be heard, got money out of the woman, gone home feeling righteous, or gone to jail for murder. However, sometimes it really feels like the idiots just don't understand unless threatened with bodily harm. And what about the woman in the car? She encouraged lawless behaviour, allowed her driver to get away with acting like an ass despite being wrong, helped him break the law... She is as equally to blame for the lawlessness in this country, the lack of fear of getting caught. And all this despite me saying, forget the money, just correct your driver? I have no hope for India. Also I should add, my 8 month pregnant wife was in the car with me, and the woman saw her when we got out, and still didn't correct her driver when he was abusing.

^ This would have worsen the situation, but end of the day you won't be frustrated with the experience you had.

On the other hand, this is the ideal way of people behaving when they end up with an accident. Either they flee away from the picture or they stay there, just to show how right they were & how wrong you are.

IMO, if you pick a Fight with a Pig. No matter how good fighter you are, the Pig will enjoy the fight & gets you into the mud.

This is the reason traffic is always so bad, driving is a nightmare, and idiots like this start believing they're invincible. Next step petty crime, then serious crime, and then rape and murder. Not that she'll ever read this, but congratulations lady, you just contributed to making one more person in country a criminal!

The main reason, why the common people are like this is due to

1). Easy acquirement of a Driving License. Bribe, if you can't get one.
2). No fear of Law, as long as they can afford to buy the law or buy out some one else to take the blame.
3). No initiative shown either by Govt or People to make awareness campaigns like " how to drive safely", "Don's & don't on Road" blah blah..

[I feel like killing each & every ba$tard, who uses a Phone while driving a Bike or Car. Unfortunately, the number of users are Girls.]

Last but won't be the least

4). Common sense & Being Disciplined.

We haven't learned this in the past. We never learn it today also & This is f*cking next to impossible in the Future too.

Few days ago I say a traffic cop in Delhi, riding on a pulsar, forcefully stopped a beamer (and may be fined or warned), apparently due to the reason he was talking on phone. Most of the cops don't stop high end vehicles considering them to be of a powerful person. But this incident really made me smile and believe that some persons are still performing their duty with full honesty.

As far as small cities are concerned, the universal law is applied there. In big cities, you get more developments, better infrastructure, stricter laws, and what not. If govt/administration starts paying attention towards these areas (smaller cities & such), then situation will certainly improve, if not on the scale of big cities, but still. One thing has to be remembered, people need to be made learn, they don't learn on their own. Period.

In Bangalore, every saturday/sunday are considered to be a Heavy traffic on roads. Specially during the evening time. The traffic Polices on the main signals are very strict in terms of law & are equipped with Special devices, which takes a snap of the traffic violation & fines you then & there.

But its the exact opposite during the weekdays. The traffic polices will be available in the signal but not quite attentive towards maintaining peace over roads. Either busy with mobile or busy having Tea, Cigarettes, Snacks through out the day & evening.

 

[dashing.sujay]

^But what I have generally "observed" that b'lore police is quite active. May be I'm wrong, but that's what my short time experience tells.

 

[d3p]

^But what I have generally "observed" that b'lore police is quite active. May be I'm wrong, but that's what my short time experience tells.

Yes, its not a Generalized comment here. Few are doing their good job & few are just acting weird.

Talking about Bangalore Police. I have seen police collecting their share from those road side sellers [junk food, shoes, clothes] everyday in the evening. Even to some extent they force to sellers to give money as well as free food or items.

This might not be the same situation across the entire bangalore, but atleast place like Electronic City, Singasandra, Hosa Road, Bommanhalli, J.P Nagar, Banashankari, Koramangala [Near by gardens], Ejipura & even in Wilson Garden.

 

[Nipun]

Yes, its not a Generalized comment here. Few are doing their good job & few are just acting weird.

Talking about Bangalore Police. I have seen police collecting their share from those road side sellers [junk food, shoes, clothes] everyday in the evening. Even to some extent they force to sellers to give money as well as free food or items.

This might not be the same situation across the entire bangalore, but atleast place like Electronic City, Singasandra, Hosa Road, Bommanhalli, J.P Nagar, Banashankari, Koramangala [Near by gardens], Ejipura & even in Wilson Garden.

It is same across all cities in India. There are people doing good job, but the are less than people giving police a bad name.

The main reason, why the common people are like this is due to

1). Easy acquirement of a Driving License. Bribe, if you can't get one.
2). No fear of Law, as long as they can afford to buy the law or buy out some one else to take the blame.
3). No initiative shown either by Govt or People to make awareness campaigns like " how to drive safely", "Don's & don't on Road" blah blah..


Last but won't be the least

4). Common sense & Being Disciplined.

The last point is the major cause of chaos that exists on our roads.
1. Having a driving license has nothing to do with how one drives/behaves on road. Holders create trouble for others while people without driving license may be disciplined. Having a driving license cannot decide sanity of a person, not in India atleast.

2. The main reason for no fear of law - in Delhi atleast - is because of "Jaanta hai me kon hu/mera baap kon hai". Everyone thinks they have the right to break the law(and bones of others too!) just because a distant relative is a police officer.

3. Initiative is shown by Delhi Traffic Police to teach people about traffic laws and sense, but most ignore it. Regularly there are ads in newspapers regarding lane driving, using helmet/seatbelts, having proper number plate etc. but most people just ignore it. They post such images on their FB page too, but most of the comments say "Why should we follow traffic rules when you cannot stop taking bribes/prevent traffic jams?". They just don't realize it's for their own good! Indians want situations to improve without doing anything. The other person should do everything, why should I even move?

4. Common sense and discipline plays the most important role. And it's very rare. Even the highly educated folks don't know public discipline and manners. While most people link common sense/discipline with education, I differ. It's about how an individual is raised in the family by parents/guardians. I and my classmates go to same school while I am far more disciplined("shareef) than them. Just because their parents don't show any discipline themselves, have never taught manners to them and have no fear in their child's mind, they do all wrong acts. From underage smoking to drinking and driving. If people become disciplined, almost all problems prevailing in our society will get solved.

[I feel like killing each & every ba$tard, who uses a Phone while driving a Bike or Car. Unfortunately, the number of users are Girls.]

This is one of the things I hate the most. They drive at 20kmph in high-speed lane & 70kmph in left-most lane, stop in middle of the road, lanes are non-existent(that's for all drivers though) and what not. And if they crash into someone, it has to be their fault. "So what if I am talking on phone, have music on maximum, had 65km/h speed without any seatbelts and was applying some lipstick on my face? It's your duty to keep an eye on the road. You need to pay for the damage I caused to your car". [Never experienced this personally but have seen countless times.]
Sorry for generalizing here, while most of the female drivers are as I stated above, there are many well disciplined and good female drivers too on the road.

 

[dashing.sujay]

I have seen some females (girl) in bhopal driving real reckless but as good as any boy can.

Bhopalis have really got the genes to drive good. Almost quarter of local youths drive their bikes without headlight (if you know what I mean and why it's used for).

 

[d3p]

The last point is the major cause of chaos that exists on our roads.
1. Having a driving license has nothing to do with how one drives/behaves on road. Holders create trouble for others while people without driving license may be disciplined. Having a driving license cannot decide sanity of a person, not in India atleast.

Again, Having a Driving License, has nothing to do with the Driving sense. What i meant was "Easy acquirement of a Driving License. Bribe, if you can't get one." Its very simple to get a License, without adequate information on "How to Drive ??"

2. The main reason for no fear of law - in Delhi atleast - is because of "Jaanta hai me kon hu/mera baap kon hai". Everyone thinks they have the right to break the law(and bones of others too!) just because a distant relative is a police officer.

It's the same case across all over India.

3. Initiative is shown by Delhi Traffic Police to teach people about traffic laws and sense, but most ignore it. Regularly there are ads in newspapers regarding lane driving, using helmet/seatbelts, having proper number plate etc. but most people just ignore it. They post such images on their FB page too, but most of the comments say "Why should we follow traffic rules when you cannot stop taking bribes/prevent traffic jams?". They just don't realize it's for their own good! Indians want situations to improve without doing anything. The other person should do everything, why should I even move?

That's due to the stereo type thinking & being a Lazy-arshe.

4. Common sense and discipline plays the most important role. And it's very rare. Even the highly educated folks don't know public discipline and manners. While most people link common sense/discipline with education, I differ. It's about how an individual is raised in the family by parents/guardians. I and my classmates go to same school while I am far more disciplined("shareef) than them. Just because their parents don't show any discipline themselves, have never taught manners to them and have no fear in their child's mind, they do all wrong acts. From underage smoking to drinking and driving. If people become disciplined, almost all problems prevailing in our society will get solved.

It won't happen in India. Period..

This is one of the things I hate the most. They drive at 20kmph in high-speed lane & 70kmph in left-most lane, stop in middle of the road, lanes are non-existent(that's for all drivers though) and what not. And if they crash into someone, it has to be their fault. "So what if I am talking on phone, have music on maximum, had 65km/h speed without any seatbelts and was applying some lipstick on my face? It's your duty to keep an eye on the road. You need to pay for the damage I caused to your car". [Never experienced this personally but have seen countless times.]
Sorry for generalizing here, while most of the female drivers are as I stated above, there are many well disciplined and good female drivers too on the road.

Again, its just an observation, nothing was being generalized.

Nice points btw..:thumbsup:

 

[pratap007]

I live in Vasai and its a small suburban city so as to speak .. but its a nightmare everytime i ride to Mumbai ... People had warned us that Delhi drivers and riders were lunatics blah blah but when i was traveling on a motorcycle locally there i felt that the riding and driving was much more decent .. especially the highways.. these are big roads I'm talking about and not gullies. I kinda felt ashamed as I was quite convinced of bad driving habits of Delhiites .. Shame on me... I travel 100kms everyday to and from work so its a daily battle against idiots OLD and YOUNG just to stay alive...

 

[Nipun]

Unable to find the news link to this incident now.

Spoiler

*www.team-bhp.com/forum/attachments/street-experiences/1185528d1388594755t-accidents-india-pics-year.jpg

The scooter rider tried wheelies on New Year which went out of control and took the riders life. The sad part is he also injured two other commuters.

 

[Nipun]

Driving sense? Do we Indians even know what that is? | Rants of Indian Teenager

BEING A TETRIS MASTER:
You remember that game from childhood where you are supposed to fill up all possible spaces? Being a driver on Indian roads requires that skill, too! The only difference is that instead of playing room we have roads and instead of tiles, we have vehicles. The objective is to make the most efficient use of the road by occupying as less space as possible and filling up every possible space – not even leaving more than an inch. However, don’t worry if you’re a beginner and cannot fill all spaces: If you leave more than 6 inches, a two wheeler will do the job for you and occupy the space within a blink of the eye. How fast and efficient!

 

[Nipun]

Re: The Offtopic Thread V1: Life Support Edition

you atleast got something i never won till now ..........

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plz guys sign this will take only a second *www.change.org/en-IN/petitions/ens...d-introduce-it-in-parliament-roadsafety#share

I am not going to sign this. I am of a strong opinions that stronger laws cannot and will not change the situation on roads. Some logic, empathy and sense towards other commuters on road will.
*www.digit.in/forum/fight-club/167930-road-sense-sorry-whats.html

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So 1 minute is all it needs, which can bring a change for the good and needy....

This seems like a "Ek minute hi to lagta hai" video played before movies.

 

[kaz]

Re: The Offtopic Thread V1: Life Support Edition

I am not going to sign this. I am of a strong opinions that stronger laws cannot and will not change the situation on roads. Some logic, empathy and sense towards other commuters on road will.
*www.digit.in/forum/fight-club/167930-road-sense-sorry-whats.html

I don't think so.... At many places we don't even have a traffic police, people hustle around to get ahead of others... Yeah!!! You can ask them to be responsible and logical, but again, they see no harm in doing this....
We live in a country where people don't know the meaning of any road sign and they have a Driving License....A two wheeler rider pays 50rs. to get his 4wheeler driving test cleared...

I have heard that in the US when you apply for a DL you are made to attend classes and appear a written exam followed by driving tests...

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Last petition i saw from a TDF guy was not to port 'GTAV to PC'.

We can just ignore those

 

[amjath]

Re: The Offtopic Thread V1: Life Support Edition

I am not going to sign this. I am of a strong opinions that stronger laws cannot and will not change the situation on roads. Some logic, empathy and sense towards other commuters on road will.
*www.digit.in/forum/fight-club/167930-road-sense-sorry-whats.html

there are many countries made it happen with rules, even at midnight people have followed rules

 

[Nipun]

Re: The Offtopic Thread V1: Life Support Edition

I don't think so.... At many places we don't even have a traffic police, people hustle around to get ahead of others... Yeah!!! You can ask them to be responsible and logical, but again, they see no harm in doing this....
We live in a country where people don't know the meaning of any road sign and they have a Driving License....A two wheeler rider pays 50rs. to get his 4wheeler driving test cleared...

I have heard that in the US when you apply for a DL you are made to attend classes and appear a written exam followed by driving tests...

there are many countries made it happen with rules, even at midnight people have followed rules

We do have very strict laws. The point is, who obeys them? Who has to obey them?
As I said in that thread too, we people need a traffic police officer to ensure that we do not jump a red light. Why is that? Why can we not respect the laws regardless of whether someone is watching us or not? "even at midnight people have followed rules", is that a respect towards law shown by the people of that country or result of stricter laws? We already have very strict laws for many things. There are provisions of being jailed for jumping red lights, entering one-way and rash driving, how many people does that stop? Of course we cannot expect death penalty for traffic offenses.
We do not need stricter laws. We need citizens who know how to respect laws, how to act sensibly and how to make sure we are not causing troubles to anyone.

And yes, in many countries the test for driving license is very strict. According to the law, it's supposed to be the same here. This point is about making sure the laws are enforced, not creating more and stricter laws. The same is with paying for driving license. It's about anti-corruption laws; traffic laws have nothing to do with it.

More laws, in my opinions, would result in more complications. I would prefer a society with less laws and more sensible citizens than a society with more laws and less sensible citizens. Laws are useless unless we respect them.

EDIT: I think this is OT for OT thread.

 

[kaz]

Re: The Offtopic Thread V1: Life Support Edition

What about those places where there is neither a traffic signal nor a police?
How do you think that the people can be made responsible?

Say for example, here we have huge numbers of trucks carrying coal/stones and they have to pass through some weighing booths to ride through the city...the queue sometimes is more than 1km long and they take up half the space on the road, they don't feel like parking off the road...So, according to you we should guide each one to take responsibility for the traffic jams and feel guilty or make a rule to fine them if they do so, which will eventually make them responsible ???

 

[Nipun]

Re: The Offtopic Thread V1: Life Support Edition

What about those places where there is neither a traffic signal nor a police?

I think this is not the place to discuss it. I replied to you in the road sense thread.

 

[Nipun]

What about those places where there is neither a traffic signal nor a police?

There are rules for that too - right of the way.

How do you think that the people can be made responsible?

Making people 'responsible' by making stricter laws does not actually make them responsible, but law-fearing. They will break the laws as soon as they get a chance. This is what happens in India.

Making responsible and law abiding citizens starts at a very early stage. In my opinion, respecting the laws should be taught to a child the same way wearing clothes or eating food with spoons is taught. However since most people are themselves uncivilized, they do not teach civil sense/manners to their children. It's a vicious cycle.

Say for example, here we have huge numbers of trucks carrying coal/stones and they have to pass through some weighing booths to ride through the city...the queue sometimes is more than 1km long and they take up half the space on the road, they don't feel like parking off the road...So, according to you we should guide each one to take responsibility for the traffic jams and feel guilty or make a rule to fine them if they do so, which will eventually make them responsible ???

Did I ever ask to make them feel guilty? I am not asking to make them accountable, I am asking to make them respect the law.
About making a rule to fine them, there already exists not one but many. You may add another one. And another one. And another. And a billion more. Will it make any difference until it's actually practiced? Did banning of smoking in public areas make a difference? Or is there any difference on the amount of garbage/paan spits on public spots despite proper laws being there? If just making laws was the solution to everything, we would be a trouble-free country by now. No murders, no rapes, no robberies, no garbage, no pollution, no corruption, no fights, no traffic jams, no deaths due to stupidity.

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PS: I will also advice you to read the preceding posts to get a better view of what I am trying to say.

 

[kaz]

True...Beside making rules its more important to enforce them...
Corruption stands as the major problem...