PlayStation 3 vs Gaming PC

[vickybat]

Nope they won't. You are not getting the point of exlusives here. The main reason Sony encourages First party developers to make quality AAA is to move hardware. Its not a copy of the game they sell that they take as a standard. But, how many ps3 units is this game capable of moving. Because, when you sell a game.. you onlyl sell a game. But, when you sell a hardware... you will be selling a hardware+titles to play that on hardware. And Sony, infact any console manufacturer, will never publish their tilte on secnodary platforms just because they hate one/other console manufacturer.


And, seriously speaking.. Profit that sony can make by coming to Linux will be no where near to the profits it is getting by exclusivity deal. Not only sony.. also, Nintendo.

I absolutely get the point of exclusives and i very well know that they are the selling point of their consoles. All i want is that they follow the windows + xbox strategy i.e develop some multiplatforms for linux and only their console i.e ps3. So some titles become ps3 and linux exclusive and not windows. Not every other developer should support linux but some sony owned development studios. Microsoft cannot monopolize here.

I am not saying they should port uncharted , god of war or any other aaa title. Does microsoft port its aaa titles like forza, alanwake, bayonetta, halo (no ports from 360), etc. No,they make it console exclusive but alongside also support development for windows platform.

Is xbox's sales failing due to the fact that some of their games are also playable in the windows platform? Heck there are also plans of unveiling a kinect based controller for the windows platform. So microsoft are suppoting their product and api's.

So they make money in all of the above cases. What i am saying is sony should support development for linux and make some games in its library as ps3 + linux exclusive and not windows. This way, it can bring down the fight to microsoft in a better way.

Remember that pc is not a gaming platform only and it doesn't have any competition. The fact that a pc can support multiple platforms makes it a potential weapon for sony and microsoft. Microsoft has done that, sony should follow. This is the way i see it. It may not happen but i feel it should.

 

[comp@ddict]

I really do not understand how high sales of consoles can be blamed for poor game development of PC.

Haha thats a shame then.

High sales = More money from consoles

Which leaves Devs wary of spending TIME and RESOURCES and EFFORT to make the game any better, or optimized at all for the PC.

Is that hard to grasp?

 

[vickybat]

I would say the same thing. Exclusives are selling point for PS3, and theres no point releasing their titles on linux just because its OpenGL. According to Carmack, OpenGL performs and looks great on across all the platforms. Be it windows, Linux, iOS etc...
So why Linux only?

Supporting windows means feeding micro$oft. And sony would not do that. That's why i brought linux to the picture because its in direct intervention with microsoft. You can say mac as platform but again it comes from sony's competitor i.e apple. So linux has the potential of becoming a gaming weapon imo which it desperately needs in order to compete with windows in the mainstream market. Sure opengl can be coded better to work on windows but do you think micro$oft will support that?

DirectX and OpenGL are equally good, atleast from what Carmack said. So dont expect that the games are going to look like BF3 or may be better, just because the developers use OpenGL. But its the support from the vendors thats too bad incase of OpenGL...All thanks to Micro$oft's marketing crap with that dx0 vs dx10 comparision $hit.

I beg to differ. Opengl is more powerful than directX. The tesselation techniques that dx11 uses were present in opengl three years ago. Ofcourse games have the potential of looking better in opengl than dx11. But as i said earlier, windows can also be the choice of platform buT won't happen thanks to miro$soft.

That's the reason why carmack used opengl in its upcoming shooter "RAGE"

I know what i'm saying is pretty far fetched but is a possibility and who knows may even become a reality.

 

[Reaper_vivek]

Nice thread....

And I didn't see Read Dead Redemption in your list...
You should definitely play that game..I think it's one of the best titles ever released on consoles..

 

[gameranand]

I somewhat agree with vickybat. The reason is that we all know that very few people use Linux so it isn't going to a large no. of people at all not unless they install Linux and buy the game and even then it will reach relatively smaller audience than Windows. So exclusivity is kind of maintained but yes it is near impossible.

 

[Ishu Gupta]

Are you guys talking about porting every PS3 game to linux?

 

[gameranand]

Are you guys talking about porting every PS3 game to linux?

Not all but some which are not selling point of PS3.

 

[Ishu Gupta]

Not all but some which are not selling point of PS3.

All minus the exclusives?

 

[vamsi_krishna]

I absolutely get the point of exclusives and i very well know that they are the selling point of their consoles. All i want is that they follow the windows + xbox strategy i.e develop some multiplatforms for linux and only their console i.e ps3. So some titles become ps3 and linux exclusive and not windows. Not every other develop should support linux but some sony owned development studios. Microsoft cannot monopolize here.

I am not saying they should port uncharted , god of war or any other aaa title. Does microsoft port its aaa titles like forza, alanwake, bayonetta, halo (no ports from 360), etc. No,they make it console exclusive but alongside also support development for windows platform.

Is xbox's sales failing due to the fact that some of their games are also playable in the windows platform? Heck there are also plans of unveiling a kinect based controller for the windows platform. So microsoft are suppoting their product and api's.

So they make money in all of the above cases. What i am saying is sony should support development for linux and make some games in its library as ps3 + linux exclusive and not windows. This way, it can bring down the fight to microsoft in a better way.

Remember that pc is not a gaming platform only and it desn't have any competition. The fact that a pc can support multiple platforms makes it a potential weapon for sony and microsoft. Microsoft has done that, sony should follow. This is the way i see it. It may not happen but i feel it should.

You are again missing one thing here. Microsoft backed DX and made it a gold sheet, just because Microsoft wanted to promote their... Operating System. Lets not forget.... PS3 does not own any operating systems that will run on PC. All you are suggesting is just by one point "MS is a monopoly. We need to bring it down.", "DX is the on the top now. we need to bring it down too". Sony is neither a charity firm, nor a Chuck Norris firm to pull that off. The damn.. SCE division was running with negative profits until 2009 for god's sake.

 

[cyborg47]

I beg to differ. Opengl is more powerful than directX. The tesselation techniques that dx11 uses were present in opengl three years ago. Ofcouse games have the potential of looking better in opengl than dx11. But as i said earlier, windows can also be the choice of platform buT won't happen thanks to miro$soft.

That's the reason why carmack used opengl in its upcoming shooter "RAGE"

I know what i'm saying is pretty far fetched but is a possibility and who knows may even become a reality.

Ah cmon!..Tesselation presence in OpenGL three years ago makes it powerful?! lol
Alrite, lets just suppose OpenGL IS powerful than DirectX..and Carmack is OpenGL supporter and his games use it, then RAGE on PC should look as good as, or better than BF3(which according to DICE is developed on DX11)..lets wait and see

Is there a RAGE pc gameplay or a tech demo video out there?

 

[gameranand]

Is there a RAGE pc gameplay or a tech demo video out there?

A lot of em google it.
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[cyborg47]

Nah..They're all taken from console. But still looks kick-ass! especially the textures look crisp.
And I dont think theres a PC gameplay video till now.

 

[vickybat]

^^Then check these:

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E3 2010 Stage Demo: Rage (PC) - GameSpot Video

 

[cyborg47]

Oh yeah..thats the PC version.
Now according to what you said (that OpenGL>DX)Rage should look better if you compare it to the other dx11 shooters(BF3)..not that it isnt looking good, its great! So it all depends on the developers and how well they use the APIs in their games.
Thats all that I wanted to say.

 

[vickybat]

You are again missing one thing here. Microsoft backed DX and made it a gold sheet, just because Microsoft wanted to promote their... Operating System. Lets not forget.... PS3 does not own any operating systems that will run on PC. All you are suggesting is just by one point "MS is a monopoly. We need to bring it down.", "DX is the on the top now. we need to bring it down too". Sony is neither a charity firm, nor a Chuck Norris firm to pull that off. The damn.. SCE division was running with negative profits until 2009 for god's sake.

They don't need to come up with their own operating system.
They don't need tons of money either to promote development on linux like micosoft.

Since the underlying api's are so similar, porting won't be a problem. Linux is an "open platfom" unlike microsoft. So sony won't have to pay any sort of "royalty" to anyone unlike developers paying to microsoft.

Its not some ordeal to simply pull off but expand in terms of providing content & simultaneosly do battle. Good for both console and pc gamers imo.
Sure SCE was in losses but look at them now. They have redefined gaming in many ways. They can do it for linux too and back opengl in the same process.

Good for the future of gaming.

 

[vamsi_krishna]

And LOL similar APIs. most of the first party games will use lower level APIs to get maximum out of hardware. Which is not the same case when it comes to PC. Hence, loss of integrity.

Yes. They need money. Lot of it. What DX is today is not just a mere wand job. It took plenty of time.. and god knows how much man and money from microsoft side. To battle this 15year old thing.. is not easy when they have to battle MS, Nintendo on console market along side. Sony is just a firm not the god. Be realistic.

 

[cyborg47]

They don't need to come up with their own operating system.
They don't need tons of money either to promote development on linux like micosoft.

Since the underlying api's are so similar, porting won't be a problem. Linux is an "open platfom" unlike microsoft. So sony won't have to pay any sort of "royalty" to anyone unlike developers paying to microsoft.

Its not some ordeal to simply pull off but expand in terms of providing content & simultaneosly do battle. Good for both console and pc gamers imo.
Sure SCE was in losses but look at them now. They have redefined gaming in many ways. They can do it for linux too and back opengl in the same process.

Good for the future of gaming.

I understand. Microsoft has Windows, and you want sony to have linux.
But why the hell would sony even want to go to Linux in the first place?!
They're not doing some kinda social service in the gaming industry here lol.
What you're saying is perfectly possible, sony can fall in love with linux and pull it up yes.

 

[vickybat]

^^ Not to have linux but to support it. Buying and supporting are two different things. They are parallel and they never meet. Doing this will make them support opengl and that is actually the whole point of this discussion.

It can be linux or something xyz. But linux seems more appropriate and achievable than designing something from scratch.

 

[cyborg47]

They don't need to come up with their own operating system.
They don't need tons of money either to promote development on linux like micosoft.

Microsoft promotes windows and DX is because they developed it themselves. Thats their business.
Sony has got nothing to do with Linux or OpenGL. Therefore, Sony supporting Linux wont happen. peace

^^ Not to have linux but to support it. Buying and supporting are two different things. They are parallel and they never meet. Doing this will make them support opengl and that is actually the whole point of this dicussion.

It can be linux or something xyz. But linux seems more appropriate and achievable than designing something from scratch.

Dude, I understand you love OpenGL, but dont expect developers to bring graphics like crysis 10 or something. Like I already said, both are equally good when the developers want to use it. It was different back in 2005 when the devs were switching from OpenGL to DX (ofcourse because of the microsoft's marketing crap), and it was difficult for them to get used to the DX API, and thats when Carmack said the devs didnt have to shoot their foot with dx to develop games, he said that OpenGL can do everything that DX can. But the situation is different now, look at BF3, its looking great coz DICE is using the DX11 APIs properly.

 

[vickybat]

And LOL similar APIs. most of the first party games will use lower level APIs to get maximum out of hardware. Which is not the same case when it comes to PC. Hence, loss of integrity.

Yes. They need money. Lot of it. What DX is today is not just a mere wand job. It took plenty of time.. and god knows how much man and money from microsoft side. To battle this 15year old thing.. is not easy when they have to battle MS, Nintendo on console market along side. Sony is just a firm not the god. Be realistic.

The graphics API for the PS3 is called OpenGL ES 2.0 (short for Embedded System) which is a subset of OpenGL 2.0. OpenGL is an open standard defined and promoted by the Khronos group. It is also of note that while the RSX should be DirectX9 compliant the PS3 will not use DirectX for it's games as DirectX is not a native API of the Linux enviroment which the PS3 uses.

Check this for more info. Now you know what i am talking about and why linux should be the chosen platform if such things ever becomes a reality. There's no significant loss of integrity here.

I am being realistic. Don't expect sony to win battles straight away with this move but put a halt to microsoft's monopoly if not a "screeching halt".

Nothing is easy but making slow but significant moves assures a certain victory although its gonna be time consuming. Sure the task here is insurmountable & even the idea is a bit far fetched, its not by a great degree.

Microsoft promotes windows and DX is because they developed it themselves. Thats their business.
Sony has got nothing to do with Linux or OpenGL. Therefore, Sony supporting Linux wont happen. peace

Please refer my reply to vamsi in this very post buddy. I guess you would want to eat the words in bold after reading that.