Piracy ratio low in India compared to other countries
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kumarmohit
Technomancer
Totally agree with your post but React OS!
dOm1naTOr
Wise Old Owl
Developers thik in this way:
If there are 100 legal copies sold, but already some 500 has got pirated version. Nd if there was no piracy then legal copies sold will be 100+500.
And in case say each copy is for 1k. Then total loss=500k.
its dumb thinkin. Why cud they imagine those people will afford to buy? Coz they might have got the pirated stuus coz:
*They cudn't have afforded it.
*They dun want to enjoy all the features, supports, updates etc. They just wanna use it-thats all.
*One has to go through more pain in buying, nd after installation, he has to activate via net or somethin on every install. [for eg: steam sux]. For pirates-its as easy as download nd istall at one go-nd is ready to use.
*Suppose one buy one version of s/w for a huge amount nd the customer is not fully satisfied with product due to limitations of that versions, but the company went on releasing another versions of it every year or so. He barelly afforded to buy one version, but the developers are releasing versions frequently he can't afford every one. So hight go the pirate way.[maybe the company will provide discounts for those who own previos, but that just isn't enuf for the customer].
If there are 100 legal copies sold, but already some 500 has got pirated version. Nd if there was no piracy then legal copies sold will be 100+500.
And in case say each copy is for 1k. Then total loss=500k.
its dumb thinkin. Why cud they imagine those people will afford to buy? Coz they might have got the pirated stuus coz:
*They cudn't have afforded it.
*They dun want to enjoy all the features, supports, updates etc. They just wanna use it-thats all.
*One has to go through more pain in buying, nd after installation, he has to activate via net or somethin on every install. [for eg: steam sux]. For pirates-its as easy as download nd istall at one go-nd is ready to use.
*Suppose one buy one version of s/w for a huge amount nd the customer is not fully satisfied with product due to limitations of that versions, but the company went on releasing another versions of it every year or so. He barelly afforded to buy one version, but the developers are releasing versions frequently he can't afford every one. So hight go the pirate way.[maybe the company will provide discounts for those who own previos, but that just isn't enuf for the customer].
desiibond
Bond, Desi Bond!
It's business. Pirates might think of it as dumb thinking. But in todays software market, every penny counts. I said before that most people that use pirated software can afford original version. How many songs that you have in your PC/music player are oriinal?
We have linux and free apps for them. You can't afford a car, you will not touch it. You can't afford a mobile phone, you go for one that fits your budget. You can't afford a laptop, you go for a desktop. You can't afford a gaming console, you go for a vaniall GPU. You can't afford a software, you get the pirated edition. WHY DOES IT HAPPEN ONLY WITH SOFTWRE/MUSIC/MOVIES?
What should we call this? Wanna use a software, then grab a pirated edition?? NO. Try to afford it. If you cannot, there's always an alternate in OSS world. By saying this, I mean alternate and not saying that those who are trying OSS are bankrupt.
Simple solution. Try the trial edition first. There are more than enough paid/free alternate to the software that you choose. Get the one that suites your needs.
As I said above, try the trial version. Try other softwares. Get the best that suites our needs. Nothing is perfect. Try to get the one that suites you.
Bond are you in software development?Just curious.
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desiibond
Bond, Desi Bond!
hah. You are not going into a war with America. It's simle thing. Use of alternate softwares when you can't afford the original software.
Windows -> ubuntu
office -> open office
nero -> poweriso
IE -> firefox
And for every software, there is alternate software and without trying, people say it's not easy. HUH.
Pathetic state of mind.
gulgulumaal
Broken In
Whatever!!!...fact remains that most people use unlicensed software because they CAN do so. If I can use windows (which is what every tom dick and harry uses), and run all the popular games and software and connect all popular hardware (camera/printer/whatever) without having to pay for Windows, why the hell would I spend 5K for it? Typical human nature...thats all.
Unless there's a reasonable fear of getting caught, or there is something substantially better in going for Linux (other than the moral grounds), this is not gonna change. Like it or not...thats the truth.
desiibond
Bond, Desi Bond!
huh. hat's off for showing the truth.
There is a saying "Billi jab ghar mein ghus ke doodh peeti hai to aankhein bandh karti hai aur sochti hai ki koi nahih dekh rahan hai...". Who knows, tomorrow, police might come to your house and arrest for illegal use of software. Think of the humiliation that comes after that.
If you ever make great software, it's these original s/w users that take your company upwards.
Imagine what would have happened if Micrososft's software was pirated right from the very first version by everyone across the globe. It would have shutdown by now.
What a gross thinking of truth.
dOm1naTOr
Wise Old Owl
There are many people who thinks like u, nd they are enuf to keep the company up nd running.
[no offence]
Im a BIG fan of Captain Jack Sparrow: One of world's notorious pirate
infra_red_dude
Wire muncher!
Doesn't it suggest the same?desiibond said:
I use GNU/Linux. So as per your post I can't buy Vista. I can't even buy XP. Hence, I'm forced to use Linux!
Plz mind your language and evaluate someone properly before making allegations.desiibond said:
The way you put it suggested otherwise. Not just to me, but to other Linux users and you can see that for yourself. So when you post something, make it clear. Improperly chosen words may totally alter the meaning.desiibond said:
I'm still waiting to know the credibility and the method used to know the piracy rate in various countries, as posted by the thread starter.
see.. according to me.. anything above 60 % piracy is't good provided that the price of the software is high...
ya for example windows.. 70-80 % of us use pirated right?
the price of win xp is 5k lets say...
if they reduce the price to say 400 bucks 70- 80 percent will buy windows atleast(leave other softwares aside)
and i'm against open source also... where shud software engineers go? burning their a$$ sitting 10 hrs daily 5 days a week just to design a part of the software...
and this is my another view.. piracy can be complete eradicated
but software companies dont want to..
lets take microsoft, price of win xp is 5k lets say, and they will completly secure it ( say if it cant be pirated at all....)
only 10-20 percent will use windows.. rest will use linux.. there by windows loses its popularity.. as simple as that...
ya for example windows.. 70-80 % of us use pirated right?
the price of win xp is 5k lets say...
if they reduce the price to say 400 bucks 70- 80 percent will buy windows atleast(leave other softwares aside)
and i'm against open source also... where shud software engineers go? burning their a$$ sitting 10 hrs daily 5 days a week just to design a part of the software...
and this is my another view.. piracy can be complete eradicated
but software companies dont want to..
lets take microsoft, price of win xp is 5k lets say, and they will completly secure it ( say if it cant be pirated at all....)
only 10-20 percent will use windows.. rest will use linux.. there by windows loses its popularity.. as simple as that...
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infra_red_dude
Wire muncher!
^^^ Yes and as a matter of fact companies will not let piracy die! A person working in the IT dept. of a company downloads and uses Office 2007 (pirated of corz); makes it his daily use software. Now he's so used to it that he can't do with it. He persuades the purchase committee of his company to buy 20 copies of Office 2007 for his office. So how much as the company lost actually? 20 original copies - 1 pirated = 19 original! So thats huge profit for them.
Why don't companies conduct raids in small shops and homes? Simple, for this reason. They know for every pirated copy a home user uses, some or the otherway it leads to profit for them. Net result is that they actually end up earning (most of the times, considering big companies).
Why don't companies conduct raids in small shops and homes? Simple, for this reason. They know for every pirated copy a home user uses, some or the otherway it leads to profit for them. Net result is that they actually end up earning (most of the times, considering big companies).
praka123
left this forum longback
Free Open Source model is a evolving model and it is based on different licenses which preserves the rights to make sure the code is available for modification for the enduser.imho nothing wrong in that.with FOSS,the knowledge is shared unlike closed source model with software patenting.if open source is so against software devels,then why do companies like redhat,novell,tivo etc employs s/w engineers and are running in good profit?the current successful model is subscription model where by the bugfixes and extra features can be subscribed from the company.adithya s said:
with LAMP etc,even any individual can make money with FOSS.
*follars.com
and last but not least,GNU/Linux is not an "alternate" windows for someone who cannot afford!it is indeed a different,completely different Operating System similar to UNIX and superior too
Linux is NOT Windows:
*linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
Please go and read on Open Source. The whole definition of Open Source goes against your assumptions. In fact the term open source was coined so that people don't make mistakes like this.
Show me one place where it is mentioned that open source apps have to be free of cost. If you do I will stop posting in this forum forever and even stop using anything open source.
And show me one big open source project where there's a lone developer. In fact many a times there's a team of core developers, who are hired and paid by big companies like Red Hat, Novell, IBM, Sun Microsystems.
Also, when you buy softwares from MS, Apple, etc you are draining our countries money to the vendors outside India. Even if the whole application was developed by an Indian, he'll get a tiny fraction of the money from those corporates. On the other hand Open Source is more likely to get more money by making the developers within the country active.
gulgulumaal
Broken In
Yeah..the truth may be gross for you
But the fact is that it is the truth. That if circumstances continue as they are, piracy will just continue unabated.
BTW note that I never said piracy is right (or wrong). I was just saying why piracy happens and why it wont stop.
desiibond
Bond, Desi Bond!
Yes.
there is lot of difference between open source application and free application.
RHEL series is open source but is not free.
pidgin, gnu utils are open source and free.
You get support from the vendor by paying for the software and the price of these open source softwares is substantially lower than that of many leading softwares
NucleusKore
TheSaint
This is a classic chicken and egg situation. If the computing masses of India adopted some version of linux, companies like Yahoo, Google, and I daresay eventually even MSN will be forced to provide Linux versions of their software like instant messaging. As there isn't a large user base to justify development, or so they argue, they do not show much interest in porting their applications to Linux. This is why I think people who use Linux should make a push for the numbers, and as was pointed out in one thread , talk about Linux strengths and not a MS vs Linux comparison, after all we're not really trying to sell anything for money. A gradual shift from Windows to linux will slowly kill the piracy. There always will be those who would pay for a Microsoft product, just as there would be those who choose to go the Open Source OS way.
This is why I am still the advocate of the dual boot model where linux is used for internet browsing and most of the work, and windows (preferably licensed) reserved for gaming and other programs that cannot be run on Linux.
, talk about Linux strengths and not a MS vs Linux comparison, after all we're not really trying to sell anything for money. A gradual shift from Windows to linux will slowly kill the piracy. There always will be those who would pay for a Microsoft product, just as there would be those who choose to go the Open Source OS way.This is why I am still the advocate of the dual boot model where linux is used for internet browsing and most of the work, and windows (preferably licensed) reserved for gaming and other programs that cannot be run on Linux.
infra_red_dude
Wire muncher!
Need not be true always. Look what MS did to IE! Removed WGA... So unless the company wants it piracy will not die!
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