Piracy and anti piracy in India

[Liverpool_fan]

OK soo u mean if I download a movie using torrent and distribute it among 100 friends its not piracy...LOL
Bro its piracy coz the movie lost its chance to gain money from those 100 people in form of tickets or dvd/vcd...soo money is involved!!

It is piracy but money is not lost since I can bet none of those 100 people would buy a DVD and those who go to theatres go there anyway.

hey then if its not stealing it can be quoted as sharing..LOL

Sharing which involves breaking laws

what do u mean by this??...no song is free to distribute...u r cutting their profits by distributing...same as software

*magnatune.com/
*www.jamendo.com/en/

I am just saying that we all do some sort of piracy knowingly or un-knowingly...and its just impossible to control

That's true to some extent. But we should avoid piracy wherever we can. Not have "hahaha I will pirraatee it, im so cool" attitude.

 

[Aberforth]

I dont use the term stealing with piracy tbh. Stealing is when you take something from somebody. However piracy is more like breaking an agreement or something.

Exactly. Digital piracy is simply a breach of an agreement. One has to be really brainwashed to think it is stealing, in the real sense, no one actually gets robbed.
 
To curb piracy in India, corporates will need police and court system as a backbone, which is esentially hogging up an already overtaxed system, which could have been used for fighting REAL crimes.

 

[sujoyp]

I always read in magazines and newspaper that movie and music company r loosing billions due to piracy...

lets take an example .....I make a movie and sell it to u for 400 and u make 50 copies of it and sell it for total 1000(Rs.20 )each...shouldn't I feel robbed.

Actually the cost of digital product like music cd and movie dvd is soo high that its not worth spending that much on them.

My bro in US said that u can watch movie at home for 1-2 dollar only...if they charge Rs.20 for a movie then we too can watch them without making pirated dvds.

 

[Rahim]

Big Media Houses and Corporates involved are reporting massive profits every year and movies are being declared blockbusters and grossing $$$$ and what not and they cry that their products/movies are being pirated!!!!!!!! They must have gone bankrupt or worked as staff in my office

Software piracy helps these big corporate houses and if they are serious about stopping piracy, who are stopping them? Cant they make thei software un-crackable?

Windows piracy is quite high in the Asian countries (almost 90%) which means 90% less revenue for MS and despite that Bill Gates was the richest man for so long.
Just imagine if each and every computer had a legal version of Windows. what influence he might have had in this world. Competition is very essential for quality products and prevent exploitation.

@LFC: No point having that smug by declaring you dont use any pirated softwares and then mentioning about the movies andsic piracy done by yourself . Most of us are in this category.
I find it a little meaningless to buy the whole audio cd when it has only 1 good song.

 

[hellknight]

There is a very big reason why piracy is high in Asian countries.. The Per Capita Income in Asia (except Japan) is low.. whereas in the West it is high.. If you've ever bought a computer book like Fedora Bible, Beginning Linux programming etc etc either from Wrox India or Wiley's India, it is clearly mentioned that those books are meant for Eastern Economy edition, and are not to be sold outside specified areas. For eg, I got this brand new Fedora Linux Bible 2010 for Rs. 530 (from Flipkart) whereas the price in the US is around Rs. 3000 (mentioned on the book)

The software publishers need to apply the same theory to the software. I don't think that 90% of computer users in India can pay as high as Rs. 70k for Photoshop.. that is ridiculous..

 

[gagan007]

The software publishers need to apply the same theory to the software. I don't think that 90% of computer users in India can pay as high as Rs. 70k for Photoshop.. that is ridiculous..

completely agree, this could be a solution....

Big Media Houses and Corporates involved are reporting massive profits every year and movies are being declared blockbusters and grossing $$$$ and what not and they cry that their products/movies are being pirated!!!!!!!! They must have gone bankrupt or worked as staff in my office

Software piracy helps these big corporate houses and if they are serious about stopping piracy, who are stopping them? Cant they make thei software un-crackable?

Windows piracy is quite high in the Asian countries (almost 90%) which means 90% less revenue for MS and despite that Bill Gates was the richest man for so long.
Just imagine if each and every computer had a legal version of Windows. what influence he might have had in this world. Competition is very essential for quality products and prevent exploitation.

I am aghast and sorry to hear that intellects like you are "justifying" piracy!!! No one forces you to use Windows (by you I do not mean "you" but all those using pirated versions of s/w, in general)...you can always use Linux...you are accusing Bill Gates as if he is holding the supply of your oxygen and charging every ounce of it....

what if production houses are earning $$$$...it is still their product, their creation, which they have full right of...just because they are earning a lot doesn't mean you can watch their movie without paying them.

@sujoyp: In India too, thanks to Moser Baer, we have access to all original movies accessible at dirt cheap rates legally

 

[Gauravs90]

In India too, thanks to Moser Baer, we have access to all original movies accessible at dirt cheap rates legally

They only sell old movies. Why i will buy an old movie which i've seen it in tv many times.

My bro in US said that u can watch movie at home for 1-2 dollar only...if they charge Rs.20 for a movie then we too can watch them without making pirated dvds.

Isn't rs 20 too low for original movie. They should sell movie CD's for rs50 and DVD for rs75. Then anyone from middle class will think to buy.

 

[Rahim]

completely agree, this could be a solution....



I am aghast and sorry to hear that intellects like you are "justifying" piracy!!! No one forces you to use Windows (by you I do not mean "you" but all those using pirated versions of s/w, in general)...you can always use Linux...you are accusing Bill Gates as if he is holding the supply of your oxygen and charging every ounce of it....

what if production houses are earning $$$$...it is still their product, their creation, which they have full right of...just because they are earning a lot doesn't mean you can watch their movie without paying them.

@sujoyp: In India too, thanks to Moser Baer, we have access to all original movies accessible at dirt cheap rates legally

^Did I? I'm sure you agree with the non-competitive activities of a certain company.
Windows didn't got the market share just because their product was good; it did because users didn't had any choice.
Just tell me how many outside the geek world have even heard of something like a non-windows OS? Most of them think that the small "e" icon on their Quick Launch bar is THE INTERNET.
Users should be given a choice; example of EU giving an option to users to install non-IE browsers and in 60% case do install FF/Opera etc. I think thats a high % of users opting to try new thing.

As for the $$ they earn and me feeling jealous according to you; take the example of US. Land of opportunities and law and order and patent crap and YET piracy is rampant in that region. Why? Per Capita income if very high and YET users dont wanna pay for the software.

All I am trying to highlight the hypocrisi]y of the companies and us both.

@hellknight: I agree to your business model completely; differential pricing of the software is a must for different region.

Ultimate consumer is the king and i dont know why this cant be applied to the software world..

The biggest hindrance of adopting FOSS is the resistance to change by us; a natural reaction.

 

[sujoyp]

Isn't rs 20 too low for original movie. They should sell movie CD's for rs50 and DVD for rs75. Then anyone from middle class will think to buy.

OOh I forgot to mention that I was talking about DTH system...just like Tata Sky started...u pay them Rs.75 and u can watch movie at home...but choice here is too less..5-10 movie max
In US u could select from a big list and watch it at home by DTH at a cost of around 2 Dollar...and HD have different rate...it can easily tackle movie piracy if given cheap like RS.20-30 in India

 

[Rahim]

^Wait before this DTH service providers milk the cow nicely before shifting focus to other services. Time is not right at the moment

 

[gagan007]

sujoyp, you will not rest until the movies are screened free...would you?

If we take our family out for a movie in a theater it nearly costs 200/head (talking about b'lore)...compared to that 75 is too less. but our mentality is if we can get something for free then why not take it...this attitude is wrong.
I am not an agent working for production houses or any software (product based) industry, but I still strongly feel that piracy is "not right". it is like depriving someone of his legal right...
Consumer is king...that doesn't mean he has right to consume without paying. In every industry consumer does pay, without which there will be no service!

 

[Gauravs90]

sujoyp, you will not rest until the movies are screened free...would you?

If we take our family out for a movie in a theater it nearly costs 200/head (talking about b'lore)...compared to that 75 is too less. but our mentality is if we can get something for free then why not take it...this attitude is wrong.
I am not an agent working for production houses or any software (product based) industry, but I still strongly feel that piracy is "not right". it is like depriving someone of his legal right...
Consumer is king...that doesn't mean he has right to consume without paying. In every industry consumer does pay, without which there will be no service!

DVD's of movies are released after theaters stop screening so it doesn't effect them. and rs75 is justified for a dvd seeing the economic condition of india.
DVD's of hit films are available at rs400 and Blue-rays for rs800. Who will buy them?

 

[sujoyp]

you feel Rs.20 is too less ok then make it Rs.40....but right now if I can watch a pirated movie for free y should i bother to pay even Rs.75..

I really appreciate the idea of movie on demand which can be useful but only if it comes in common mans budget...
Theater charges r too much nowdays...its not worth paying for a movie untill its a blockbuster like 3 idiots..i wouldn't pay RS.1000 for Avtar 3d its just insanity.

 

[gagan007]

I agree there thousand bucks for a movie is totally not worth it...actually speaking (only IMHO) more than Rs. 100 is way too much to be spent on a movie (as most of them are waste of time rather than entertainment)....but you cannot watch 3D at home also (unless you have purchased the recently launched Samsung 3D LED TV, which is a pain)...

but sujoy you have to change your mindset...see the "free" movie is not offered to you, you are downloading that without the "owner's" consent...take it this way...you go to someone's house...you see a Rs. 100 note lying on their sofa which they dnt know about...you would definitely feel not to pick that and put it in your pocket...right?

 

[sujoyp]

^^ hey I am not saying i want see free movie...I can pay them Rs.40 every time (after downloading i can watch 100 times but still)...

I am saying if they decrease the rate definitely the piracy thing will decrease..

Similarly what cost do they incur to make a music CD...y should we pay Rs.200 for a single movie song when we get 10 movie songs for Rs.20.....Just make it affordable..and definitely people will think once to get it...

These companies r asking for too much money and it is leading to piracy..

before I used to go theater 4 time a month now only once ...

 

[gagan007]

Even I have stopped going to theaters...its damn expensive...that too when the movie is cr@p, you feel as if it would have been better to tear the money into tiny bits and throw in air..

but the companies really spend money whenever they produce music/movies...think of all the labor cost, studio cost and the compensation paid to the artists...it all amounts to the price of the CD/DVD...

 

[sujoyp]

I donno y they r paid soo much...think akshay kumar get paid 7-8 crore for those crappy films, even they spend tens of crore on wasteful publicity..
And for all that we have to pay them more...not justified

Any film contain 1-2 songs which r bearable...remaining r just like jabardasti ka timepass...they want Rs.200 for that

Let it be...we Indians r intelligent enough to justify where to spend how much...Nobody can take an extra penny from us

 

[bigdaddy486]

Very Bad i HAVE to use pirated software because i have lots of money on paypal, hard earned money, which cannot be used to buy softwares and movies. Very bad.

So i switched to linux and is using ubuntu now.

 

[rhitwick]

Very Bad i HAVE to use pirated software because i have lots of money on paypal, hard earned money, which cannot be used to buy softwares. Very bad.

So i switched to linux and is using ubuntu now.

I'm totally clueless on what u r posting since last few days. What do they even mean? And why do u even post 'em?

Is he spamming, anyone? has 226 posts but such trolls :flu-mad:

 

[red dragon]

Very Bad i HAVE to use pirated software because i have lots of money on paypal, hard earned money, which cannot be used to buy softwares. Very bad.

So i switched to linux and is using ubuntu now.

WTF!!?Are you high,son?