PC Buying Guide - July 2011

[Skud]

SMC is getting very low these days. not bad for us!!!

 

[vickybat]

The price of gtx 560-ti twin frozr II has made cards like 6850 & 6870 meaningless. Now if they too get a price drop, then expect some serious upgrades from buyers all around.

But 10.7k is a serious price drop. Totally unexpected.

 

[aby geek]

erm the price makes me wonder wether its ti or just 560 gtx , must be a wrong name maybe.

if its ti thats verygood.

 

[vickybat]

^^ Its Ti. If you see carefully, the earlier price written was 13.7k. AND THEY SAY " YOU SAVE 3000". The non-ti was 12k afair but that is not in the list now.

They got new stock with reduced prices as earlier, there was no stock of nvidia based msi cards. Even hawk is not there in their list. Maybe it too will also get a price drop.

 

[Skud]

I has this experience with SMC when I ordered a SMPS only to be mailed that the price was wrongly quoted in the website and with a request to re-order with the updated (ie increased) price. After getting the same response after 3 consecutive orders, I have since dumped them.

This price seems highly unlikely. Someone can order to confirm.

 

[vickybat]

^^ But this seems highly likely to me. It could be a misprint but they cannot strikeout the original price in fluke. Still someone should confirm this. If true, then this card will be very very hard to beat especially at this price.

My brother in pune ordered lots of stuff from smc sucessfully and they exactly quoted the web prices and gave special shipping discount.

 

[nilgtx260]

WTF GTX 560 Ti only 10K???? what............is that a joke?

 

[Jaskanwar Singh]

@Jaskanwar-Now Lets compare Mine given rig with you.I am not saying your config is bad but its needs some improvement.
Motherboard-MSI Z68A-GD65 over Gigabyte GA-Z68MA-D2H-B3
1)Full-ATX Board or m-Atx in Gigabyte
2Military Class II for The perfect trinity of quality, stability and efficiency all exist at one mainboard.
3)Hi-c CAP-8X lifespan over solid Capacitor.
4)Click bios is better in MSI
5)THX TruStudio PRO over Realtek ALC889
6)3TB+ Infinity-- All the latest 3TB hard drivers on the market can be supported
- Make the 3TB hard drive as boot disk when installing a 64-bit operating system
7)APS (Active Phase Switching)-Active Phase Switching, APS, technology is an intelligent design that helps to save energy on MSI’s mainboards
8)This board looks better
than gigabyte one.Looks matters for user who has transparent side windows.
9)MSI motherboard serviced by MSI India.Gigabyte is now serviced by ACCEL Frontline which is not good.Seagate also serviced by this company and many guys in our forum has experience it.After sales service as important as buying a new product.

1. GD65 is 1k higher.
2. gigabyte has ultra durable tech and all.
but us buyers just need performance and features.
3. gigabyte also supports 3TB+ HDD.
4. go through this list for gigabyte features -
GIGABYTE - Motherboard - Socket 1155 - GA-Z68MA-D2H-B3 (rev. 1.0)

anyways mention a review please or anything proving its oc capability, sata, usb performance etc. in a p67 comparison on tech report i think, msi one had slowest peripheral performance.

on the gigabyte board ocn users have oced to 4.8ghz too. (dont remember that thread)

Memory-G.Skill Ripjaws X F3-12800CL9D-8GBXM over G.Skill Ripjaws X F3-12800CL9D-4GBXL
1) 8GB dual channel DDR3 1600MHz 1.5V ram will give better performance than 4GB anyday.Nowadays more ram is better for power hungry games and multi-threaded application.

1. i asked from where is that price.
2. now a days atleast games dont benefit from 8gb over 4gb. 8gb is useful for professional CAD, virtual machines. but i know 8gb is a futureproof thing.

GPU-
1)Whats wrong with MSI GTX560Ti Hawk over MSI HD 6950 TF III?
2)MSI GTX560Ti Hawk-Costs Rs 14750/- and MSI HD 6950 TF III costs over Rs 16K
3)We can also use Hawk in Sli to gain extra performance.
4)If you use 6950 in CFX mode it will generate more heat than GTX560Ti.
5)Buddy compare product with same price bracket.Not with 6950 with 570.Compare 6970 with 570 or GTx 560Ti with 6950.

its simple, 6950 is better performer.

dont speak without any sort of backup.

see the idle and load temps here -
MSI R6950 Twin Frozr III Power Edition OC review
MSI GeForce GTX 560 Ti HAWK review

now if a product performs better then who in this world made the rule of not comparing prices.

6950 cfx performs better than 570 sli. check some reviews. do research.

DVD RW
If we are spending to buy any system component every bucks is important.
1)Asus DVD RW over LG DVD RW- I am using Asus Dvd rw from 2007 with any problem but Tkin has purchased about 5 DVD rw including LG and Samsung.Finally he bought ASUS and he is happy with it.Many of my friend also complain about faulty LG RW.It lasts about 1 year or so.

mine lg is working from past 2 years.

PSU-
What you will get by spending extra 700 bucks for Tx850 over TX750?If you say it is always better to have higher wattage PSU.Why not you choose Tx950 V2 is only 800 more than TX850.
For Gtx560Ti Hawk SLi power comsumption is only 213X2 Watts as said by Topgear.So TX750 will do good.

there is no TX950 V2 afaik.

and about futureproof, a person wont be stuck with your 560 sli for whole of his life.

Cabinet-
Coolermaster 690II Advanced over Lian Li Lancool K58W
1) Lian Li Lancool is not available throughout the country.And not all user are go for online purchase.Also shipping cost a lot for weighty cabinet.
2)Lian case looks very ugly.
3)All blacks interior was not there
4)Doesn't have 1.8" & 2.5" HDD and SSD adapter whreas CM 690II plus has this facility forget about advanced model
5)Cm 690II advanced has VGA card bracket
6)Build quality is better in Cm case.
7)Has provision to install 10 case Fans
8)Screw less mechanism is better in Cm 690II advanced
9)You can even remove the HDD cage to install GFX card like MSI 580 Lighting in Cm 690II Advanced.
10)Normal screw is used in Add-on card slot which is better than modern mechanism to tighten heavy card like GTX580.
11)Side intake fan is there in Cm 690II advanced.Which is very important for cooling card like HD 6950.Its not there in Lian.
So CM 690II advanced is better over Lian-Li Lancool K58W.

looks choice vary from person to person. i like the lian li cases.
and how can you say those comparisons without reviews. have you tested build quality.

Monitor -
LCD has CCFL(Cold cathode fluorescent lamps) back lights.The immediate advantages of repalacing CCFL with LEd is a slimmer profile of monitor and also the power circuity can be kept in the power brick which can be attached separetely to the monitors unlike CCFL-backlit LCD monitor.
So Led monitor will be better choice.

Dell ST 2220L priced at Rs 8.75k but it will decreased a bit after few months.

shall i mention the price of 6950 as 10k. wont it also be decreased after few months

and i have the ST2220L. let me mention it that its not as thin as you want it. my dad has LG lcds and they are same width wise.

Keyboard and Mouse-

1)I know Logitech G400 is still not available in Indian Market but still MX518 is there to fulfill our needs.G400 will available after MX518 becomes out of stock.
2)You can't compare with Microsoft Sidewinder X4+Logitech G400 or MX18 with Razer cyclosa bundle.Razer provides 1year warranty whereas Logitech gives 3 years and Microsoft gives 2 years warranty.
3)Backlighting with three illumination levels plus “off.” is there in Microsoft Sidewinder X4 where as backlighting is not there in Cyclosa bundle keyboard.

everybody in India is not comfortable to spend hugely on these. i remember threads here. Razer bundle will satisfy most.

I think in general pc guide kolkata peoples are also included.In most of the states Rashi Peripheral is not good.That's why i am avoiding Rashi distributed product.So spending extra 3K makes more sense.

If 6850 is sufficient in Fullhd why you have bought Sapphire HD6950 1Gb.And why others purchasing GTX580 or HD 6970?

mega mind has good experiance.
and i clearly mentioned those who have problem with some products can start a new thread and we can suggest alternates.

because of futureproofing. and 6950 cfx same way provides better futureproofing.

 

[vickybat]

^^ Hey jas did you check the price of msi 560-TI twin frozr II at smc? If its anywhere near true, then i guess its time to update our rigs in this guide.

 

[Jaskanwar Singh]

^^ Hey jas did you check the price of msi 560-TI twin frozr II at smc? If its anywhere near true, then i guess its time to update our rigs in this guide.

yeah its very good.
i think its some offer or something. 560 ti at 10.7k is irresistible.

someone confirm from smc please.

 

[vickybat]

^^ I think fresh stock has arrived and that's why they were delaying your order cause they didn't have stock.

If you check their list, msi 560-ti hawk is no longer there. So i think that will also get a price revision. Never expected this sort of price reduction from nvidia cards.

 

[Jaskanwar Singh]

^ok i will ask them on Monday along with my cash deposit scanned copy mail

 

[Extreme Gamer]

My guess for the tasty price would be that the companies are trying to be more competitive here, especially in the mid-range (sub-15k) segment.

 

[The Sorcerer]

These arrived for evaluation!!
*i.imgur.com/wB8VA.jpg
*i.imgur.com/G2UP4.jpg

 

[Skud]

Pretty nice!!!

 

[Tenida]

1. GD65 is 1k higher.
2. gigabyte has ultra durable tech and all.
but us buyers just need performance and features.
3. gigabyte also supports 3TB+ HDD.
4. go through this list for gigabyte features -
GIGABYTE - Motherboard - Socket 1155 - GA-Z68MA-D2H-B3 (rev. 1.0)

anyways mention a review please or anything proving its oc capability, sata, usb performance etc. in a p67 comparison on tech report i think, msi one had slowest peripheral performance.

on the gigabyte board ocn users have oced to 4.8ghz too. (dont remember that thread)

1)Gigabyte is m-atx board.
2)The touch bios used in Gigabyte motherboard is not good enough if you compare with MSi click bios.
3)As GD65 doesn't have enough review that's why i giving link related to GD80 to justified my point.Consider this review or wait for some GD65 reviews to come.GD80 is same board as GD65 with some additional features.
Look at this following review
Sandy Bridge Power Consumption and temperatures
DhryStone CPU test+Whetstone FPU+Queen CPU test
CineBench 11.5+FryRender Test

4)It can be overclock I7 processor easily at 4.8Ghz Look here for prof
After ocing to 4.8Ghz 2600k they are getting better performance than Core i7 980X in 3D mark 06 Cpu score.
5) Memory Test- MSi wins handsomely.
6)Performance - Storage SSD SATA6G and USB 3.0

After looking to this review its really worth to spend extra 1k for GD65 over that gigabyte board.Its upon you to choose it or not.If you still argue i can't help.

1. i asked from where is that price.
2. now a days atleast games dont benefit from 8gb over 4gb. 8gb is useful for professional CAD, virtual machines. but i know 8gb is a futureproof thing.

1)G.Skill Ripjaws X F3-12800CL9D-8GBXM is price at Rs 3350/- only at Primeadbgb.

2)How can you so sure about that one who buying a rig@70k will not use application like professional CAD, virtual machines?
Buying 8Gb ram over 4GB @ Rs 3.35k makes more sense for future needs.

its simple, 6950 is better performer.

dont speak without any sort of backup.

see the idle and load temps here -
MSI R6950 Twin Frozr III Power Edition OC review
MSI GeForce GTX 560 Ti HAWK review

now if a product performs better then who in this world made the rule of not comparing prices.

6950 cfx performs better than 570 sli. check some reviews. do research.

First of all don't speak like Fanboy.In every thread you are backing 6950 because you are having that card.
I am not speaking without any backup ok don't try to act smart always!!!
MSI R6950 TFIII>MSI GTX560Ti Hawk>MSI GTX560Ti TFII/OC>Sapphire HD6950 1GB.
If you're saying 6950 is better GTX560Ti then why you are going for MSI GTx560Ti Hawk earlier? because its out of stock in SMC International.
You're suggesting others to buy Ati cards and how can you convinced yourself to buy Nvidia cards for yourself(earlier)?

mine lg is working from past 2 years.

Newer LG drive is not good.Ask Tkin for further query.Asus DVD RW wins in longevity.

mine lg is working from past 2 years.

Newer LG drive is not good.Ask Tkin for further query.Asus DVD RW wins in longevity.

there is no TX950 V2 afaik.

and about futureproof, a person wont be stuck with your 560 sli for whole of his life.

Why you are saying my 560Ti????
Also person will not use Tx850 for ages.So Tx750V2 will be enough for that rig.

Looks choice vary from person to person. i like the lian li cases.
and how can you say those comparisons without reviews. have you tested build quality.

I know looks vary from person to person but liking of Cm690II Advanced is more than Lian K58.Check how many 690 case has been sold.

How can you say that i am saying that facts from nowhere??
I have read about the build quality from reviews.

When you suggest any product did you test yourself? For instance when you are suggesting 6950 over 560ti.Have you used both the product?I sure no.Then why you're suggesting?I have my MSI GTX560Ti TF II/oC with me and its really good that's why i am suggesting to buy GTX560Ti because its a good performer also its cooler also.

everybody in India is not comfortable to spend hugely on these. i remember threads here. Razer bundle will satisfy most.

If the user is not like to spend huge amount orf keyboard/mouse then simple logitech desktop combo@500makes more sense than cyclosa bundle.Also it has 3years warranty.
I am against RAZER product for bad build quality.

mega mind has good experiance.
and i clearly mentioned those who have problem with some products can start a new thread and we can suggest alternates.

because of futureproofing. and 6950 cfx same way provides better futureproofing.

Rashi Peripheral as a whole is bad in India.
MSI GTX560Ti Hawk SLI provides similar performance to 6950CFX.


And if you want to still argue you can, but i will not reply to your post

 

[aby geek]

^^ sheesh one more baba in the making.

let the tx v2's go to hell period glaciatech 950w for 6k

by the way the v2's are seasonic SS series rebranded.

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jas check this out even for techshop prices this is a great second best.

 

[topgear]

@ Tenida and Jaskanwar Singh - chill down guys and avoid personal insults at all cost.

 

[asingh]

Guys, please stop getting personal regarding this. We accept everyones useful inputs.

 

[Extreme Gamer]

there is no TX950 V2 afaik.

You are correct in saying V2, but the model came out along with the V2 TX series; the model uses the same tech as the other V2 models, which is why its a bronze cert PSU.

Enthusiast Series™ TX950 — 80 PLUS® Bronze Certified Power Supply - Enthusiast Series - Non-Modular PSUs - Power Supplies