PC Buying Guide - July 2011

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Tenida

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but whats that rig for tenida?

I am just giving a Rig based on MSI z68 motherboard under 75K.
@Topgear-1) I have first given T650 V2 but everyone is saying to consider Tx750V2 for future upgrade needs specially SLI of Gtx560Ti Hawk.

2)And about the motherboard GD65 build quality is better than GD55 also i am giving a config for Rs70k rig that's why good stable motherboard is essential.Gd65 performs quite well than his younger brother.
3)Altec Lancing is backed by the famous Rashi Peripheral.So i am avoiding that speaker.
 
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Jaskanwar Singh

Jaskanwar Singh

Aspiring Novelist
d3p5kor, yes 135k and above have modular.

tenida, buddy but i think current 70k is fine -

Component | Make | Price Processor |Intel Core i5 2500k|10500
Motherboard |Gigabyte GA-Z68MA-D2H-B3|9500
RAM |G.Skill Ripjaws X F3-12800CL9D-4GBXL|2600
Graphic Card |MSI R6950 Twin Frozr III Power Edition/OC|16000
HDD |Seagate 1TB 7200.12|2700
DVD Writer |LG 22X SATA DVD|900
PSU |Corsair TX850 V2|6800
Case |Lian Li Lancool K58W|4300
Monitor |Benq G2220HD|7000
Mouse and Keyboard |Razer Cyclosa Gaming Bundle|2000
Mouse Pad |Razer Goliathus Fragged Omega S - Speed/Control|500
UPS |APC 1.1KVA|4300
Speakers |Altec Lancing VS4621|3200
| Total |70300
 

Tenida

Gadget Freak
Buddy but if you look into my given rig.It has few good components.
1)8GB RAM
2)Better motherboard
3)Better feature Cabinet
4)Led monitor
5)Better Keyboard and Mouse
Also Tx850V2 is overkill for Sli system also.TX750V2 will suffice.

For any Kolkata guys Rashi Peripheral distributed product will be big help.
 
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topgear

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^^ To be on the safe side, i would go for a tx 750-v2 rather 650-v2 for a gtx 560-ti multigpu config. They give better headroom as 560 is power hungry.

So if user wants to add another 560 hawk, 750w will prove advantageous here.

The mobo's price is tempting. The icing on the cake is that it also supports virtu.
Excellent suggestion topgear.:thumbs:

^^ thanks - the mobo price was posted by Tenida and when I take a look at the featurs and price I can't resist to suggest this one ;-)

I am just giving a Rig based on MSI z68 motherboard under 75K.
@Topgear-1) I have first given T650 V2 but everyone is saying to consider Tx750V2 for future upgrade needs specially SLI of Gtx560Ti Hawk.

2)And about the motherboard GD65 build quality is better than GD55 also i am giving a config for Rs70k rig that's why good stable motherboard is essential.Gd65 performs quite well than his younger brother.

3)Altec Lancing is backed by the famous Rashi Peripheral.So i am avoiding that speaker.

^^ yep, GD65 should be better as it's priced higher and has a higher number and I suggested as I've personally listened to those speakers but I got your point anyway ;-)

BTW, here's some of analysis on 2x MSI GTX 560 Ti HAWK and corsair TX650v2 :

Acc to the guru3d Guys Power Consumption of MSI GTX 560 Ti HAWK is
Subjective obtained GPU power consumption = ~ 213 Watts
MSI GeForce GTX 560 Ti HAWK review

Stock GTX 560 Ti Load Power Consumption Crysis ( Whole System ) : 317
Stock GTX 560 Ti Load Power Consumption Furmark ( Whole System ) : 352

CPU: Intel Core i7-920 @ 3.33GHz
Motherboard: Asus Rampage II Extreme

AnandTech - NVIDIA's GeForce GTX 560 Ti: Upsetting The $250 Market

Intel Core i7 2600K Load Power Consumption ( Whole System ) : 128W
When OCed 4.4 Ghz the Power Consiumption Incresed by only 25W
So an Oced core i7 2600k @ 4.4 Ghz consumes ( Whole System ) : 153W

Intel Core i7 975 ( 4cores ) @ 3.33 Load Power Consumption Crysis ( Whole System ) : 174

AnandTech - The Sandy Bridge Review: Intel Core i7-2600K, i5-2500K and Core i3-2100 Tested

Calculation and Summary :

Now We can say that the load power consumption of both core i7 920 @ 3.33 Ghz and core i7 975 @ 3.33 Ghz is somewaht similar hich is 174W and this is overall System Power Consumption without GPU.

Now for 2x MSI GTX 560 Ti HAWK ( Full System Power Consumption Under Load ) :

174+2x213 = core i7 920 @ 3.33 Ghz (Used on Anadtech's Stock GTX 560 Ti review ) + 2x MSI GTX 560 Ti HAWK = 600W

153W+2x213 = core i7 920 @ 3.33 Ghz (Used on Anadtech's Stock GTX 560 Ti review ) + 2x MSI GTX 560 Ti HAWK = 579W if non OCed 2600K then it will be 25W less

Now corsair TX650v2 can deliver 53A on +12V which is 636W and still we will have 10% additional room if we use a OCed core i7 2600k @ 4.4 Ghz with 2x GTX 560 Ti Hawk.

Another Interesting thing I've noticed is a stock GTX 560 Ti consumes ~169W but 2x stock GTX 560 Ti @ SLI consumes ~298W - so SLI does not doubles the power consumption and if this is true 2x GTX 560 Ti Hawk might consume ~386W and with a i7 2600k at 4.4 Ghz it would be 539W

GeForce GTX 560 Ti review
GeForce GTX 560 Ti SLI review

Also note that Games generally do not consume 100% cpu and gpu power all the time so the real power consumption will be less than that for sure.

Guys post your thoughts ;-)
 
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Jaskanwar Singh

Jaskanwar Singh

Aspiring Novelist
@tenida
1. Ur rig is 73.4k and mine 70.3k ;-)
2. Please mention ram price source
3. why 560ti hawk when 6950 cfx = 570 sli.
4. Tx850 is just 700 bucks more than tx750. Its always good to have higher wattage psu. Its futureproof.
5. Where is Dell ST2220L for 8k.
6. What are the extra features of 690 adv over lian li.
7. Is g400 available in India.
8. This is general pc guide. Kolkata guys can be suggested accordingly in their own threads.

I will see those msi mobo reviews now :-D
 

vickybat

I am the night...I am...
^^ Actually for fullhd, 560-ti sli is sufficient and almost near to 6950cfx. 6950cfx shines at higher resolutions and we barely suggest 2560x1600 monitors cause they are very expensive. Hawk is almost a gtx 570 most of the times.

So 560-ti hawk sli is not a bad option at all. Besides 3k can be saved opting for 560-ti hawk sli.
 

Tenida

Gadget Freak
@Jaskanwar-Now Lets compare Mine given rig with you.I am not saying your config is bad but its needs some improvement.
Motherboard-MSI Z68A-GD65 over Gigabyte GA-Z68MA-D2H-B3
1)Full-ATX Board or m-Atx in Gigabyte
2Military Class II for The perfect trinity of quality, stability and efficiency all exist at one mainboard.
3)Hi-c CAP-8X lifespan over solid Capacitor.
4)Click bios is better in MSI
5)THX TruStudio PRO over Realtek ALC889
6)3TB+ Infinity-- All the latest 3TB hard drivers on the market can be supported
- Make the 3TB hard drive as boot disk when installing a 64-bit operating system
7)APS (Active Phase Switching)-Active Phase Switching, APS, technology is an intelligent design that helps to save energy on MSI’s mainboards
8)This board looks better
than gigabyte one.Looks matters for user who has transparent side windows.
9)MSI motherboard serviced by MSI India.Gigabyte is now serviced by ACCEL Frontline which is not good.Seagate also serviced by this company and many guys in our forum has experience it.After sales service as important as buying a new product.

Memory-G.Skill Ripjaws X F3-12800CL9D-8GBXM over G.Skill Ripjaws X F3-12800CL9D-4GBXL
1) 8GB dual channel DDR3 1600MHz 1.5V ram will give better performance than 4GB anyday.Nowadays more ram is better for power hungry games and multi-threaded application.

GPU-
1)Whats wrong with MSI GTX560Ti Hawk over MSI HD 6950 TF III?
2)MSI GTX560Ti Hawk-Costs Rs 14750/- and MSI HD 6950 TF III costs over Rs 16K
3)We can also use Hawk in Sli to gain extra performance.
4)If you use 6950 in CFX mode it will generate more heat than GTX560Ti.
5)Buddy compare product with same price bracket.Not with 6950 with 570.Compare 6970 with 570 or GTx 560Ti with 6950.

DVD RW
If we are spending to buy any system component every bucks is important.
1)Asus DVD RW over LG DVD RW- I am using Asus Dvd rw from 2007 with any problem but Tkin has purchased about 5 DVD rw including LG and Samsung.Finally he bought ASUS and he is happy with it.Many of my friend also complain about faulty LG RW.It lasts about 1 year or so.

PSU-
What you will get by spending extra 700 bucks for Tx850 over TX750?If you say it is always better to have higher wattage PSU.Why not you choose Tx950 V2 is only 800 more than TX850.
For Gtx560Ti Hawk SLi power comsumption is only 213X2 Watts as said by Topgear.So TX750 will do good.


Cabinet-
Coolermaster 690II Advanced over Lian Li Lancool K58W
1) Lian Li Lancool is not available throughout the country.And not all user are go for online purchase.Also shipping cost a lot for weighty cabinet.
2)Lian case looks very ugly.
3)All blacks interior was not there
4)Doesn't have 1.8" & 2.5" HDD and SSD adapter whreas CM 690II plus has this facility forget about advanced model
5)Cm 690II advanced has VGA card bracket
6)Build quality is better in Cm case.
7)Has provision to install 10 case Fans
8)Screw less mechanism is better in Cm 690II advanced
9)You can even remove the HDD cage to install GFX card like MSI 580 Lighting in Cm 690II Advanced.
10)Normal screw is used in Add-on card slot which is better than modern mechanism to tighten heavy card like GTX580.
11)Side intake fan is there in Cm 690II advanced.Which is very important for cooling card like HD 6950.Its not there in Lian.
So CM 690II advanced is better over Lian-Li Lancool K58W.


Monitor
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LCD has CCFL(Cold cathode fluorescent lamps) back lights.The immediate advantages of repalacing CCFL with LEd is a slimmer profile of monitor and also the power circuity can be kept in the power brick which can be attached separetely to the monitors unlike CCFL-backlit LCD monitor.
So Led monitor will be better choice.

Dell ST 2220L priced at Rs 8.75k but it will decreased a bit after few months.

Keyboard and Mouse-

1)I know Logitech G400 is still not available in Indian Market but still MX518 is there to fulfill our needs.G400 will available after MX518 becomes out of stock.
2)You can't compare with Microsoft Sidewinder X4+Logitech G400 or MX18 with Razer cyclosa bundle.Razer provides 1year warranty whereas Logitech gives 3 years and Microsoft gives 2 years warranty.
3)Backlighting with three illumination levels plus “off.” is there in Microsoft Sidewinder X4 where as backlighting is not there in Cyclosa bundle keyboard.


I think in general pc guide kolkata peoples are also included.In most of the states Rashi Peripheral is not good.That's why i am avoiding Rashi distributed product.So spending extra 3K makes more sense.

^for full hd even 6850 is sufficient.

And mention proof of 560ti sli almost near.

If 6850 is sufficient in Fullhd why you have bought Sapphire HD6950 1Gb.And why others purchasing GTX580 or HD 6970?
 
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thetechfreak

Legend Never Ends
Tenida said:
And why others purchasing GTX580 or HD 6970?

Well according to my logic,
MSI R6850 Cyclone Power Edition costs Rs.9800 (1st page PC buying guide)
and a GTX 580 costs around Rs.26000(again source is same)

So doesnt the 580 cost approx 3 times more than the 6850 :) ?
 

Tenida

Gadget Freak
^^You overlooked what i am trying to say.
I am saying if 6850 is sufficient for FullHD resolution then why everybody buying high end Gpu.Its not justified after seeing jassy's statement
 
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vickybat

I am the night...I am...
^for full hd even 6850 is sufficient.

And mention proof of 560ti sli almost near.

Check this.

If msi 560-ti twin frozr II/OC sli can perform close to a 6950cfx in fullhd, 560-ti hawk sli will come even closer.

Simple analogy.:wink:

I completely agree with tenida regarding gigabyte after sales service. Accel frontline offers cr@p service even worse than rashi kolkata. They delayed my rams for 4 months and when i threatened to sue them in consumer court, they gave my rams back.

Msi's service is much better. In my place, its smartlink and they replace the board within 10 days max.
 
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Tenida

Gadget Freak
^^Yes that's what i am trying to say.And i am not a Fanboy of any brands.I am just saying the product that gives better after sales is always better.Corsair,Logitech by Neoteric,Microsoft,MSi,Aditya Infotech,Kaizen gives great after sales service In India.One user in other forum got New Corsair HX650(check this for prof) in exchange of faulty 2years old HX620 in 2days by Kaizen.So he got new product that's called aftersales support.
 
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nilgtx260

Maximum Craze
^^ I completely agree whereas Rashi gives worst after sell service in India at least for XFX gpus. and another thing is HD 6950 CFX is better than GTX 570 SLi though in single GTX 570 is faster.
 

Tenida

Gadget Freak
^^ I completely agree whereas Rashi gives worst after sell service in India at least for XFX gpus. and another thing is HD 6950 CFX is better than GTX 570 SLi though in single GTX 570 is faster.

6950CFX better doesn't means it will give higher performance than GTx570Sli.
Compare 6950Cfx with GTX560Ti sli.Gtx560Ti hawk will give good competition for 6950CFX at more cooler temperature
 

vickybat

I am the night...I am...
^^ I completely agree whereas Rashi gives worst after sell service in India at least for XFX gpus. and another thing is HD 6950 CFX is better than GTX 570 SLi though in single GTX 570 is faster.

570 sli performs faster than 6950cfx at fullhd. Only at higher resolutions like 2560 x1600 and multimonitor setups , 6950cfx edges past only because of higher vram.

Gtx 570 is severely limited by its paltry 1.25gb vram.

Check this.- courtesy tomshardware.

This was tested using old drivers. The new 275.33 whql and above have greatly increased scaling and aa performance in nvidia 5 series gpu's.

The latest amd 11.6 whql drivers sees more performance increase in the barts architecture cards. Cayman's doesn't get that much boost but performance has improved nevertheless.

HEY GUYS CHECK THIS OUT!!!!!:shock:

Msi GTX 560-ti twin frozr II/OC @ 10.7K in smcinternational.

Holy cow! That's a huge price drop.
 

Tenida

Gadget Freak
Ohh man i have purchased at Rs 15k.How can they give such a low price?? :( :( :(

Then my 70k rig will include this card :))
 

Skud

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Cabinet-
Coolermaster 690II Advanced over Lian Li Lancool K58W
1) Lian Li Lancool is not available throughout the country.And not all user are go for online purchase.Also shipping cost a lot for weighty cabinet.
2)Lian case looks very ugly.
3)All blacks interior was not there
4)Doesn't have 1.8" & 2.5" HDD and SSD adapter whreas CM 690II plus has this facility forget about advanced model
5)Cm 690II advanced has VGA card bracket
6)Build quality is better in Cm case.
7)Has provision to install 10 case Fans
8)Screw less mechanism is better in Cm 690II advanced
9)You can even remove the HDD cage to install GFX card like MSI 580 Lighting in Cm 690II Advanced.
10)Normal screw is used in Add-on card slot which is better than modern mechanism to tighten heavy card like GTX580.
11)Side intake fan is there in Cm 690II advanced.Which is very important for cooling card like HD 6950.Its not there in Lian.
So CM 690II advanced is better over Lian-Li Lancool K58W.



Let me do some corrections ;):-

2) Not really. Its more or less looks same to 690II. Height is little less than 690II, so that might be something to consider.

4) No need for adapters, you can straightaway install four 2.5" disks in the HDD trays.

6) Have you tested both the cases? I doubt so.

7) Provision of more fans doesn't necessarily means better cooling. The positioning of the fans are more important. The 4 fans in the K58W do the job nicely. Check this:-

SilverStone Technology Co., Ltd.

and this:-

SilverStone Technology Co., Ltd.

8) Exactly opposite. You can build your whole system without the need for screw driver in case of K58W. And this includes motherboard and graphics card and PSU also apart from OD and HDDs. And these are not just gimmicks, I know. ;)

9) In case of K58W you don't need to remove the HDD cage, you can straightaway install a GFX card up to 440mm length!!!

10) Lian-Li's tool less mechanism for PCI slots work like a charm, and one of the best, if not the very best.

11) Side intake fan also increases the dust accumulation inside the case although it do cool the graphics card better. CM doesn't have any dust filters for the side panel fans, so that's a negative. Also please check the links I posted above. You don't necessarily need a side-panel fan to cool the graphics card. A front intake fan and perforated PCI slot covers will do the job nicely. CM, sadly lacks any vents on its PCI slot covers. I am using both a Lian-Li case and a 6950, that too a Sapphire one. The temps of the card remain normal and doesn't change much if I keep the side panel open.

To cut a long story short, both the cases match evenly. You have some positives and negatives for both. And there's no clear winner. But as you have rightly stated, availability of Lian-Li cases is an issue. So we can recommend both.
 

Tenida

Gadget Freak
Rate this config
Intel Core i5 2500k- 10500
MSI Z68A-GD 65(B3)ATX- 10600
G.Skill Ripjaws X F3-12800CL9D-8GBXM - 3500
[B]Msi NGtx560Ti Hawk[/B]MSI GTX560Ti TFII/OC- 1475010750
Seagate 1Tb 7200.12- 2700
Asus DVD RW 22X- 1050
Corsair Tx750 V2- 6100
Coolermaster 690II Advanced- 5200
Dell ST2220L- 8000
Logitech G400- 1400
Microsoft Sidewinder X4- 2000
Apc 1.1KVA- 4300
Edifier C2 Plus- 3500
Total 73400Rs 69400/-

Optional Upgrade- CM Hyper 212+ with 2X Xtraflow Fan 3200

Now look this... :))

Now see this :)) With rocking price of MSI GTX560Ti TFII/OC
 
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