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I don't know, what to name this. Requirements for ultimate Gaming ..
Anyway get your own thread buddy, we will have a clear opinion about it there, this is the wrong thread as told earlier.
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I don't know, what to name this. Requirements for ultimate Gaming ..
Anyway get your own thread buddy, we will have a clear opinion about it there, this is the wrong thread as told earlier.
looks very good now - I've asked to add Seasonic SS-850AT 850W @ ~6.5k the Glacialtech PSU is costly ( overshooting budget ) and it's not widely available too.
For cabinet it would be great if you can add Cm HAF 912 Advanced @ 5.6k - it has tons of features and also comes with 2x 200mm and 1x 120mm fan pre-installed.
BTW, core i5 2500k is now available at 10.5k only
Even I prefer twin frozr. Leading by 1 vote.
Hmm cant we make a tri sli 560ti?Wont it outperform gtx 580?
but for that we need to buy a mobo with nf200 chip and P67 mobos having nf200 costs at-least 20k here.
@ The Game - make a separate thread and follow Skud's instruction.
skeletor
Chosen of the Omnissiah
Hmm cant we make a tri sli 560ti?
Tri-SLI is not possible with GTX 560 Ti. Only 2-way SLI.
Same was the case with GTX 460.
Cilus
laborare est orare
Guys, in the 85K config now we are having GTX 580 instead of GTX 570 and 2600K has been replaced with 2500K.
Now the thing is is it really required to introduce GTX 580 which is almost 8K higher than even the factory Oced version of GTX 570. May be in gaming we can find a performance boost but in CPU intensive works we are basically sacrificing a lot of performance boost as we are cutting out the Hyper Threading.
So lets see how much gaming improvement we are getting over a GTX 570. Results are taken from Guru3d
Far Cry 2 1920X1200 @ 8XAA
GTX 580 -> 105
GTX 570 ->87
Factory OCed GTX 570 ->96
Anno 1404 - Dawn of Discovery 1920X1200
GTX 580 -> 86
GTX 570 ->74
OCed GTX 570 ->80
DX10: Crysis Warhead 1920X1200 2X AA
GTX 580 -> 62
GTX 570 ->54
OCed GTX 570 ->58
DX11: Metro 2033 - The Last Refuge 1920X1024 Highest with AAA
GTX 580 -> 33
GTX 570 ->27
OCed GTX 570 ->29
DX11: Colin McRae DiRT 2 1920X1200 8X AA, 16X AF
GTX 580 -> 96
GTX 570 ->80
OCed GTX 570 ->86
DX11: Battlefield Bad Company 2: 1920X1200, 8X AA, 16X AF
GTX 580 -> 67
GTX 570 ->56
OCed GTX 570 ->67/66
The average performance improvement over GTX 570 stock cards is 11% maximum. In case of a little factory overclocked version of GTX 570 the performance difference is less than 10% in all the cases.
So we are basically spending 8K extra for gaining maximum 10% extra performance and sacrificing the CPU power.
So is it justified at all to cut 2600K and introducing GTX 580 in Sub 85K config? Please let me know your choices.
Now the thing is is it really required to introduce GTX 580 which is almost 8K higher than even the factory Oced version of GTX 570. May be in gaming we can find a performance boost but in CPU intensive works we are basically sacrificing a lot of performance boost as we are cutting out the Hyper Threading.
So lets see how much gaming improvement we are getting over a GTX 570. Results are taken from Guru3d
Far Cry 2 1920X1200 @ 8XAA
GTX 580 -> 105
GTX 570 ->87
Factory OCed GTX 570 ->96
Anno 1404 - Dawn of Discovery 1920X1200
GTX 580 -> 86
GTX 570 ->74
OCed GTX 570 ->80
DX10: Crysis Warhead 1920X1200 2X AA
GTX 580 -> 62
GTX 570 ->54
OCed GTX 570 ->58
DX11: Metro 2033 - The Last Refuge 1920X1024 Highest with AAA
GTX 580 -> 33
GTX 570 ->27
OCed GTX 570 ->29
DX11: Colin McRae DiRT 2 1920X1200 8X AA, 16X AF
GTX 580 -> 96
GTX 570 ->80
OCed GTX 570 ->86
DX11: Battlefield Bad Company 2: 1920X1200, 8X AA, 16X AF
GTX 580 -> 67
GTX 570 ->56
OCed GTX 570 ->67/66
The average performance improvement over GTX 570 stock cards is 11% maximum. In case of a little factory overclocked version of GTX 570 the performance difference is less than 10% in all the cases.
So we are basically spending 8K extra for gaining maximum 10% extra performance and sacrificing the CPU power.
So is it justified at all to cut 2600K and introducing GTX 580 in Sub 85K config? Please let me know your choices.
I don't think except Metro I am going see a hell lot of difference with a 580 over 570. Even then Metro fps is pretty low. IMO building a PC is not about having a budget, get one of the fastest possible component and then try to adjust the rest of the budget among other parts. A proper mix of components would make a better PC. Moreover, not that we are using our PCs only for gaming. Most of us have only one PC and use it for all sort of works which include gaming. We should choose components which will give us the best possible performance for almost all the purposes. That's why I had earlier asked to include to a SSD for the high-end configs. Even a small boot drive holding the programs and a couple of games would make a real difference in the overall performance rather than a over the top CPU or GPU.
Another thing we are not taking into equation is the upgrade path, particularly for the mid-range parts. A 30-50K Gaming PC will most probably see some sort of upgrades in future in context of CPU, RAM, HDD, GFX etc. AMD offers much broader scope here compared to Intel.
Another thing we are not taking into equation is the upgrade path, particularly for the mid-range parts. A 30-50K Gaming PC will most probably see some sort of upgrades in future in context of CPU, RAM, HDD, GFX etc. AMD offers much broader scope here compared to Intel.
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@ Extreme Gamer -
Corsair TX650 has 53A on +12V rail which is 636W of power is easily can handle a single GTX 580 and it's for single GTX 580 config anyway.
@ Jaskanwar Singh - For 2x 580 in SLi how about Seasonic SS-850AT 850W @ ~6.5k - this beast has 70A on +12V ( 840W of power ) and easily can power up a GTX 580 SLi rig with OCed SB "K" cpu.
Read these - don't consider furmark results
GeForce GTX 580 SLI review
NVIDIA's GeForce GTX 580: The SLI Update - AnandTech :: Your Source for Hardware Analysis and News
MSI GeForce GTX 580 Lightning review
Will Seasonic SS-750AT be sufficient for a 560ti Sli with a 4.6-OCed SB rig....or do i require 850W above to do so ???
skeletor
Chosen of the Omnissiah
hmm I haven't talked about their performance. But you might be correct on that.
All I have said is, tri-SLI with GTX 560 Ti is not possible. Only 2-way SLI.
Cilus
laborare est orare
I completely agree with you. And since Z68 mobos are on the horizon and Intel Smart Caching in the hot discussion topic, I think we can accommodate a SSD, even a small sized one (20 GB to 40 GB) to improve the performance. So will try my best to accommodate a SSD in the high end rigs.
Skud, here is your SSD config for Intel's smart caching.
Mobo| Gigabyte Z68X-UD3R-B3 | 10.25K
Ram| G.Skill Ripjaws F3-12800CL9S-4GBRL | 2.5K
HDD| Seagate 1 TB 7200.12 | 2.7K
SSD| Corsair SSD 32GB Nova CSSD-V32GB2-BRKT | 4K
GPU| MSI N570GTX Twinfrozr II | 20K
PSU| Glacialtech GP AX 950 AA | 7.9K
Case| CM 690 II Advanced (Transparent Side Panel) | 5.5K
Monitor| DELL ST2220L | 8.7K
Keyboard| Microsoft Sidewinder | 1.5K
Mouse| Razer Seath Adder | 2K
Mouse Pad| Razer Goliathus Mid Size | 0.7K
UPS| Numeric 1 KVA | 4K
Speakers| Altec Lancing VS4621 | 3.2K
Total is around 84K. Now the suggested board has 2 PCI Express slot for running SLI/CF in X8-X8 mode. Also it will provide the advance properties like auto switchable graphics, overclocking the non K series processors and HDD caching to imprtove the performance. Added a cheap 32 GB Corsair SSD for caching which sill provide a significant performance boost. Replaced the GTX 580 with 570 as the performance difference is 10% at its best and in current generation games like Metro, it is actually within 5%. So the 8K higher price for GTX 580 is not justified.
which factory OCed GTX 570 you are referring to ?
GTX 580 can also be oced and MSI GTX 580 Twin Frozr II is also gfx card
guru3d don't has any MSI GTX 580 Twin Frozr II review so I'm going to put the MSI GTX 580 Lightning performance.
GTX 580 Twin Frozr II OC has a 823MHz core and 1536MB GDDR5 clocked at 4276MHz
GTX 580 Lightning has 832MHz core and 4200 Mhz mem speed - so their specs ( speed wise are somewhat similar )
Now performance :
Anno 1404 - Dawn of Discovery 1920X1200 - 91
DX10: Crysis Warhead 1920X1200 2X AA - 67
DX11: Metro 2033 - The Last Refuge 1920X1024 Highest with AAA - 37
DX11: Colin McRae DiRT 2 1920X1200 8X AA, 16X AF - 102
DX11: Battlefield Bad Company 2: 1920X1200, 8X AA, 16X AF - 71
and there's how much performance difference between core i5 2500k and core i7 2600k if we consider only gaming and moreover core i5 2500k is 6k cheaper compared to core i7 2600k.
BTW, buddy take a look at the CM HAF 912 Advanced cabinet - it's better alternative at 5.5k and comes with 2x 200mm and 1x 120mm fan pre installed
Cilus
laborare est orare
Topgear, I was referring Pov Ray 570 and Palit 570 Sonic Platinum. Now if you check the index you have provided, then also the maximum performance increase is again somewhere 11-12%, not more than that. And if you are gonna buy a Oced 580 then again the price difference is gonna more than 8K, compared to an Oced GTX 570. MSI Lighting 580 is 30K in SMC.
And regarding your point that if only gaming performance has been considered for 2500K and 2600K, why should we only compare just the gaming performance? This thread is PC buying guide, not Gaming PC buying guide. And even the hard core gamers don't use the system for only gaming so we should provide a system that provide perfect balance between gaming performance and also other non-gaming activity. And check the reviews of 2600K in guru3d, Anandtech, 2600K is ahead of 2500K by a huge margin, not just by a small amount. So core i7 2600K is the choice at 85K config which in gaming, will also provide better performace by a small margin and in other applications it will provide a huge performance boost.
And regarding your point that if only gaming performance has been considered for 2500K and 2600K, why should we only compare just the gaming performance? This thread is PC buying guide, not Gaming PC buying guide. And even the hard core gamers don't use the system for only gaming so we should provide a system that provide perfect balance between gaming performance and also other non-gaming activity. And check the reviews of 2600K in guru3d, Anandtech, 2600K is ahead of 2500K by a huge margin, not just by a small amount. So core i7 2600K is the choice at 85K config which in gaming, will also provide better performace by a small margin and in other applications it will provide a huge performance boost.
^^ you can get a GTX 580 at as low as Rs. 27k ( MSI GTX 580 Twin Frozr II OC ).
There's a very little difference in gaming performance between coire i5 2500k and core i7 2600k and both cpu can be Oced at same level ( tom's guys have pushed both to 5.7 GHZ ! on a z68 mobo ) and at that speed there's virtually no diff between two in gaming performance.
Many people ( read Gamers ) use their rigs only for gaming and some other not so cpu intensive tasks like browsing, editing/printing a document or two, watch some music and listen to some music - in these types of use an OCed core i5 2500k is more than enough IMO.
I agree with you core i7 2600K is better than core i5 2500K but in those apps which are not games ( most of them ) anyway - they are some professional tools or some trans-coding apps.
Now how many gamers are out there who use such kind of professional tools ? Most of them just wants to churn out the last possible FPS from their rig and in this case a fastest GPU like GTX 580 is more suitable for them rather that a cpu which is pricier by 6k more ( core i7 2600k ).
So for a 85K a gaming rig ( which still not a ultimate rig ) gamrs should get the fastest single gfx card possible with a decent cpu on the other hand core i7 2600k is a top of the line cpu with better multi tasking - so it's more suitable for rigs with 100k or more budget.
Now why I am only talking about gaming performance because the config title is Sub 85k (High end gaming) - so I'm comparing only the gaming performance
There's a very little difference in gaming performance between coire i5 2500k and core i7 2600k and both cpu can be Oced at same level ( tom's guys have pushed both to 5.7 GHZ ! on a z68 mobo ) and at that speed there's virtually no diff between two in gaming performance.
Many people ( read Gamers ) use their rigs only for gaming and some other not so cpu intensive tasks like browsing, editing/printing a document or two, watch some music and listen to some music - in these types of use an OCed core i5 2500k is more than enough IMO.
I agree with you core i7 2600K is better than core i5 2500K but in those apps which are not games ( most of them ) anyway - they are some professional tools or some trans-coding apps.
Now how many gamers are out there who use such kind of professional tools ? Most of them just wants to churn out the last possible FPS from their rig and in this case a fastest GPU like GTX 580 is more suitable for them rather that a cpu which is pricier by 6k more ( core i7 2600k ).
So for a 85K a gaming rig ( which still not a ultimate rig ) gamrs should get the fastest single gfx card possible with a decent cpu on the other hand core i7 2600k is a top of the line cpu with better multi tasking - so it's more suitable for rigs with 100k or more budget.
Now why I am only talking about gaming performance because the config title is Sub 85k (High end gaming) - so I'm comparing only the gaming performance
OP
Jaskanwar Singh
Aspiring Novelist
Sorry guys, i wont be able to update soon as my psu is sold (replying from mobile) and those damn smc are not responding to my mails. 
That's a great mobo and is better than P8P67 Pro and supports both SLi and CF - great find and I liked that black PCB and corsair Nova is just a sweet addition
Sorry guys, i wont be able to update soon as my psu is sold (replying from mobile) and those damn smc are not responding to my mails.
Let me know if I can do something for you.
OP
Jaskanwar Singh
Aspiring Novelist
thanks for your support TP.
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