PC Buying Guide 2011- Q4

thetechfreak · Sep 14, 2011

I think you should make the mouse pad optional in the 50k rig.
Also guys why not use AMD Sempron in the lowest download rig. All other configurations should be for office and other purpose. The download config can have lowest possible hardware. I donot think the downloader will be affected by it.

Extreme Gamer · Sep 14, 2011

Dont be so excited about the BD clocks. They are on two cores, 2 threads :shrug:

As for tessellation:

Hardware tessellation was added as a standard feature to DX11 so that the geometry could be calculated by the GPU. At the same performance cost, you get better model details. Closer objects get more detail and farther objects get lesser detail. This optimizes the geometry level of the image being processed. In software tessellation, the geometry was static for an object. Here it is dynamic.
The problem is that both vendors have different render paths, so some game works well for one vendor and another thing works well for the other vendor.

The game using DX11 most efficiently is actually Crysis 2. There is a bug which increases the tessellation factor to 2x of what Nvidia GPUs use (making unrealistic looking frames).
Yes there is an article on how it uses the most tessellated jersey barrier and water is tessellated unnecessarily, but those are tech limitations rather than developer laziness. CryEngine levels either have no water or are islands in an ocean. If tessellation is on, the whole ocean is tessellated. I have used the sandbox editor by a small amount and a friend of mine working on a mod confirms that it is an engine limitation.
The jersey barrier is not a part of level geometery. It is a static object placed in the level. Tessellation is applied on the whole object and not just the particular surface needing more detail.
To fix these two issues you would need to modify the engine, which I assure you, is no easy task my friends.

I wrote about this in the context of the reemerging 560 Ti vs 6950 debate.

560 Ti and 6950 1GB are equal cards. If you want Physx, folding@home and Nvidia 3D, go 560 Ti.
If you want eyefinity, BOINC, 3rd party 3D solutions, go 6950 1GB.

Both are viable alternatives to each other(thus, feasible in the respective. Do not cry "WAR!" over a <5fps difference unless its a <30fps thing. Is like a 6970 vs 570

Of course, 6950 2GB cannot be matched by the 560 Ti when you max it out(in newer games) and/or use Hi-res texture packs

I think you should make the mouse pad optional in the 50k rig.
Also guys why not use AMD Sempron in the lowest download rig. All other configurations should be for office and other purpose. The download config can have lowest possible hardware. I donot think the downloader will be affected by it.

You want fair amounts of RAM(4-8GB will last a long time) and a fairly meaty CPU to handle big files+large number of connections, since you wont upgrade parts of this rig very often.

A downloader rig should also have a dedicated network card (not Killer NIC crap. I mean intel cards), and a good modem+router (separate or combined doesnt matter, but wifi 802.11n should be there). This also to help the CPU.

vickybat · Sep 14, 2011

nilgtx260 said:
yeah I still doubt double extra vram will deliver extra performance or not.

Nice find mate. Actually the 2gb framebuffer will give better performance in higher resolutions (multimonitor) and give more depth in 3d because the accelerator has to render twice the frames( actually copy of first frame but wit different orientation).

I think it can now fight with a 6950 2gb crossfire. There is a good chance of it spewing more frames in sli mode.

@ Extreme Gamer

Check out deus X. Tessellation is optimized nicely.

I guess your 580 3gb sli will give some nice frames with tess on in that game.

topgear · Sep 15, 2011

Seeing the never ending ongoing battle between GTX 560 Ti vs. HD6950 my opinion is to keep GTX 560 Ti and HD6950 2GB Twin Frozr II / HD 6950 2GB Twin Frozr III PE both and put an end to this never ending battle - I think we don't need to baby feed everything in each and every config. Just let the customers decide what they want to between GTX 560 Ti and HD6950 and let's concentrate on other important things ;-)

Jaskanwar Singh · Sep 15, 2011

d3p5kor said:
One more query from my side, Can some confirm the availability of Gigabyte GA-880GM-UD2H ???

I came across a few thread where users complained about the availability of the same. Probably we can suggest Gigabyte GA-880GM-USB3 @ 4.8k.

Next one is Intel Motherboard Service centre doesn't accept entertain any mobo burning case & its clearly mentioned in the Manual that they don't accept burnt mobo under warranty. IMO better to start looking for something else & switch to Gigabyte/MSI or Asus [not applicable for WB buyers].

Intel still lacks of good Quality Components & getting it serviced is PITA.

amd -
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for intel -

MSI H67MA-E35
Asus P8H67-M-LX
Gigabyte GA-H67M-D2-B3 (rev. 1.1) Socket 1155

The Sorcerer said:
6950 all the way.

But what is with the "voting" system. If you're going to put configs based on votes that is mostly done by fanboys, it defeats the purpose of having a PC guide.

yeah no voting based on graphic cards etc.
this is just on configs.

thetechfreak said:
@Jaskanwar @others

Guys why do you keep ignoring whenever I post suggestion for a rig. Why hardly no one comments?

By the way I just dont think the 200k rigs are usefull. even the poll in this thread agrees with me.
And yes please stop fighting about the cards. 2 Gb 6950 is superior than any version of the 560 Ti

sorry buddy. just after 100k i will put your rigs

the rig is nice but why a gaming bundle with it?

Skud said:
Frankly speaking, I would prefer a more powerful GPU rather than be bothered about temps, noise, OC and all any day as long as they are not 480/2900XT types of cards. But then, others' preference may vary, so it's better to include both at their price points. In any case, you can pretty blindly pick any 6950 (1gb/2gb/MSI/Sapphire etc.); for 560Ti, you have to be very sure about the model and the clocks.

agreed.

nilgtx260 said:
yeah I still doubt double extra vram will deliver extra performance or not.
Bulldozer OC is awesome in fact it will make intel concern.

you saw that sapphire 6950 1gb and 2gb on par at full hd and even 1gb beats 2gb marginally in some games.

thetechfreak said:
I think you should make the mouse pad optional in the 50k rig.
Also guys why not use AMD Sempron in the lowest download rig. All other configurations should be for office and other purpose. The download config can have lowest possible hardware. I donot think the downloader will be affected by it.

mouse pad is in budget. so why worry?
a dual core helps in multitasking a bit. its nice to stay futureproof.

Extreme Gamer said:
560 Ti and 6950 1GB are equal cards.

to be specific 560 Ti hawk and 6950 1gb stock are equal cards.

topgear said:
Seeing the never ending ongoing battle between GTX 560 Ti vs. HD6950 my opinion is to keep GTX 560 Ti and HD6950 2GB Twin Frozr II / HD 6950 2GB Twin Frozr III PE both and put an end to this never ending battle - I think we don't need to baby feed everything in each and every config. Just let the customers decide what they want to between GTX 560 Ti and HD6950 and let's concentrate on other important things

its done buddy. in 50k rig sapphire hd6950 2gb with 560 ti hawk and r6950 pe alone.

d6bmg · Sep 15, 2011

Skud said:
As long as they are not showing in retail Intel can sleep in peace. In any case, they are already very very delayed. And Intel is almost ready with SNB-E with Ivy to follow. Looks like BD is becoming the "Duke Nukem Forever" of Hardware.

Problem is with AMD's marketing strategy. They have already delayed BD so much that, even if, they perform really well, Intel's next-gen chips might just overkill the.

Extreme Gamer · Sep 15, 2011

umm yeah, jas, but equal means they perform similarly overall in games. if the 560 Ti stock performs 6fps weaker than the 6950 and the framerate is above 30 for the casual gamer and above 40 for the serious one, who cares?

I did advocate what you did, so end of discussion

vickybat, man Phong isnt anything new. Valve has been using it since the release of the Source engine. All Deus Ex does, is bring it to the hardware level.

In fact, some friends tell me that the game hardly uses the GPU. They get loads of ~40% on average on a 580

, for the amount of resources it uses, the game looks very nice.
I am not interested in the game anyway

Cilus · Sep 15, 2011

It may be the otherway around. This time AMD may be trying to launch something out of the box, something with unmatched performance, not the VFM products to sell it within the budget oriented customers only. That's why they forced on extreme perfection.
And I am sure that these processors coming from AMD are not their top-end at all. They know about the Sandybridge-E and I guess have something to counter it.

Skud · Sep 15, 2011

Piledriver. God knows when.

Jaskanwar Singh · Sep 15, 2011

ok upto 100k -

Sub 15k (Best for office work,downloading)

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Sub 20k (Best for office work,movies,downloading)

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Sub 25k (Best for office work, multimedia)

Optional upgrades for 25k -

Component | Make | Price Motherboard |MSI R6770-MD1GD5|6200

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Sub 30k (Casual gaming,multi media)

Optional upgrades for 30k -

Component | Make | Price Motherboard |Asus M5A97|5700

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Sub 35k (Entry level gaming,multi media)

Optional upgrades for 35k -

Component | Make | Price Motherboard |Asus M5A97|5700

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Sub 40k (Mid range gaming,multi media)

Optional upgrades for 40k -

Component | Make | Price Graphic Card |MSI R6870 Hawk|11500

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Sub 50k (Mid range gaming)

Optional upgrades for 50k -

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Sub 60k (Mid range gaming)

Optional upgrades for 60k -

Component | Make | Price Headset |Steelseries 3H|1500

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Sub 70k (High end gaming)

Optional upgrades for 70k -

Component | Make | Price Headset |Steel Series Siberia Full-Size Headset(White)|3100

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Sub 85k (High end gaming)

Optional upgrades for 85K -

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Sub 100k (High End Gaming)

Optional upgrades for 100k -

Component | Make | Price Headset |Roccat Kave|5000

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Sub 100k (3D Gaming)

Optional upgrades for 110k -

vwad · Sep 15, 2011

Jaskanwar Singh said:
ok upto 100k -

Sub 15k (Best for office work,downloading)

Component | Make | Price Processor |AMD Athlon II x2 250|2700
Motherboard |Gigabyte GA-MA78LMT-S2|2500
RAM |G-skill F3-10600CL9S-4GBNT(4Gx1)|1100
HDD |Seagate 500GB 7200.12|1900
DVD Writer |LG 22X SATA DVD|900
Case + PSU |Zebronics Bijli (with psu)|1500
Monitor |Acer H163WA|3800
Keyboard & Mouse |Logitech MK100|500
UPS |Microtek 600VA|1200
Speakers |Basic Headphones|100
| Total |16200

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Sub 20k (Best for office work,movies,downloading)

Component | Make | Price Processor |AMD Athlon II x4 635|4000
Motherboard |Gigabyte GA-MA78LMT-S2|2500
RAM |G-skill F3-10600CL9S-4GBNT(4Gx1)|1100
HDD |Seagate 500GB 7200.12|1900
DVD Writer |LG 22X SATA DVD|900
PSU |FSP Saga II 500W|2000
Case |Zebronics Bijli (w/o psu)|1000
Monitor |Acer P206HV 20"|5100
Keyboard & Mouse |Logitech MK100|500
UPS |Microtek 600VA|1200
Speakers |Altec Lansing BXR1220|700
| Total |20900

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Sub 25k (Best for office work, multimedia)

Component | Make | Price Processor |AMD Athlon II x4 635|4000
Motherboard |Gigabyte GA-MA78LMT-S2|2500
RAM |G-skill F3-10600CL9S-4GBNT(4Gx1)|1100
Graphic Card |MSI R6670-MD1GD5|5300
HDD |Seagate 500GB 7200.12|1900
DVD Writer |LG 22X SATA DVD|900
PSU |FSP Saga II 500W|2000
Case |Zebronics Bijli (w/o psu)|1000
Monitor |Acer P206HV 20"|5100
Keyboard & Mouse |Logitech MK100|500
UPS |Microtek 600VA|1200
Speakers |Altec Lansing BXR1220|700
| Total |26200

Optional upgrades for 25k -

Component | Make | Price Motherboard |MSI R6770-MD1GD5|6200

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Sub 30k (Casual gaming,multi media)

Component | Make | Price Processor |AMD Athlon II x4 635|4000
Motherboard |Gigabyte GA-880GM-UD2H|4000
RAM |G-skill F3-10600CL9S-4GBNT(4Gx1)|1100
Graphic Card |Sapphire HD6790|7800
HDD |Seagate 500GB 7200.12|1900
DVD Writer |LG 22X SATA DVD|900
PSU |FSP Saga II 500W|2000
Case |Zebronics Bijli (w/o psu)|1000
Monitor |Acer P206HV 20"|5100
Keyboard & Mouse |Logitech MK100|500
UPS |Intex 1KVA|1800
Speakers |Logitech Z313|1500
| Total |30600

Optional upgrades for 30k -

Component | Make | Price Motherboard |Asus M5A97|5700

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Sub 35k (Entry level gaming,multi media)

Component | Make | Price Processor |AMD Athlon II x4 635|4000
Motherboard |Gigabyte GA-880GM-UD2H|4000
RAM |G-skill F3-10600CL9S-4GBNT(4Gx1)|1100
Graphic Card |MSI R6850 Cyclone Power Edition|9300
HDD |Seagate 500GB 7200.12|1900
DVD Writer |LG 22X SATA DVD|900
PSU |FSP Saga II 500W|2000
Case |Zebronics Bijli (w/o psu)|1000
Monitor |Benq G2220HD|7000
Keyboard & Mouse |Logitech MK100|500
UPS |Intex 1KVA|1800
Speakers |Logitech Z313|1500
| Total |35000

Optional upgrades for 35k -

Component | Make | Price Motherboard |Asus M5A97|5700

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Sub 40k (Mid range gaming,multi media)

Component | Make | Price Processor |Intel Core i5 2400|9300
Motherboard |Asus P8H61-M LE B3|3300
RAM |G-skill F3-10600CL9S-4GBNT(4Gx1)|1100
Graphic Card |MSI R6850 Cyclone Power Edition|9300
HDD |Seagate 500GB 7200.12|1900
DVD Writer |LG 22X SATA DVD|900
PSU |FSP Saga II 500W|2000
Case |CM Elite 310|1500
Monitor |Benq G2220HD|7000
Keyboard & Mouse |Logitech MK100|500
UPS |Intex 1KVA|1800
Speakers |Logitech Z313|1500
| Total |41000

Optional upgrades for 40k -

Component | Make | Price Graphic Card |MSI R6870 Hawk|11500

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Sub 50k (Mid range gaming)

Component | Make | Price Processor |Intel Core i5 2400|9300
Motherboard |Intel DH67BL-B3|5500
RAM |G-skill F3-10600CL9S-4GBNT(4Gx1)|1100
Graphic Card |Sapphire HD6950 2GB/MSI N560GTX Ti HAWK|14000
HDD |Seagate 500GB 7200.12|1900
DVD Writer |LG 22X SATA DVD|900
PSU |Corsair GS600|4000
Case |NZXT GAMMA|2000
Monitor |Benq G2220HD|7000
Mouse |Logitech MX-518|1300
Keyboard |Logitech Classic Keyboard 200|400
Mouse Pad |Razer Goliathus Fragged Omega S - Speed/Control|500
UPS |Intex 1KVA|1800
Speakers |Logitech Z313|1500
| Total |51000

Optional upgrades for 50k -

Component | Make | Price Graphic Card |MSI R6950 Twin Frozr III Power Edition/OC|16100
Headset |Steelseries 3H|1500

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Sub 60k (Mid range gaming)

Component | Make | Price Processor |Intel Core i5 2500k|10500
Motherboard |MSI Z68A-GD55(B3)|9800
RAM |Gskill Ripjaws X F3-12800CL9S-4GBXL|1600
Graphic Card |MSI R6950 Twin Frozr III Power Edition/OC|16100
HDD |Seagate 500GB 7200.12|1900
DVD Writer |LG 22X SATA DVD|900
PSU |Corsair GS600|4000
Case |CM Elite 430|2500
Monitor |Benq G2220HD|7000
Mouse and Keyboard |Razer Cyclosa Gaming Bundle|2000
Mouse Pad |Razer Goliathus Fragged Omega S - Speed/Control|500
UPS |APC 800VA|2800
Speakers |Logitech Z313|1500
| Total |61700

Optional upgrades for 60k -

Component | Make | Price Headset |Steelseries 3H|1500

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Sub 70k (High end gaming)

Component | Make | Price Processor |Intel Core i5 2500k|10500
Motherboard |MSI Z68A-GD55(B3)|9800
RAM |Gskill Ripjaws X F3-12800CL9S-4GBXL|1600
Graphic Card |MSI R6950 Twin Frozr III Power Edition/OC|16100
HDD |Seagate 1TB 7200.12|2700
DVD Writer |LG 22X SATA DVD|900
PSU |Corsair TX850 V2|6700
Case |Lian Li Lancool K58W|4300
Monitor |DELL ST2220L|8700
Mouse and Keyboard |Razer Cyclosa Gaming Bundle|2000
Mouse Pad |Razer Goliathus Fragged Omega S - Speed/Control|500
UPS |APC 1.1KVA|4300
Speakers |Altec Lancing VS4621|3200
| Total |71900

Optional upgrades for 70k -

Component | Make | Price Headset |Steel Series Siberia Full-Size Headset(White)|3100

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Sub 85k (High end gaming)

Component | Make | Price Processor |Intel Core i7 2600k|15900
CPU Cooler |CM Hyper N620|2500
Motherboard |MSI Z68A-GD55(B3)|9800
RAM |Gskill Ripjaws X F3-12800CL9S-4GBXL|1600
Graphic Card |MSI R6950 Twin Frozr III Power Edition/OC|16100
HDD |Seagate 1TB 7200.12|2700
DVD Writer |LG 22X SATA DVD|900
PSU |Corsair TX850 V2|6700
Case |Lian Li Lancool K58W|4300
Monitor |Asus ML238H|11000
Mouse |Razer Deathadder|2000
Keyboard |RAzer Arctosa|2000
Mouse Pad |Razer Goliathus Dragon Age II Edition|900
UPS |APC 1.1KVA|4300
Speakers |Altec Lancing VS4621|3200
| Total |84400

Optional upgrades for 85K -

Component | Make | Price Headset |Steel Series Siberia Full-Size Headset(White)|3100
SSD |OCZ 60GB Agility 3 SATA III|7500

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Sub 100k (High End Gaming)

Component | Make | Price Processor |Intel Core i7 2600k|15900
CPU Cooler |Noctua NH-U12P-SE2|3800
Motherboard |MSI Z68A-GD55(B3)|9800
RAM |Gskill Ripjaws X F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL|3300
Graphic Card |MSI R6870 Hawk * 2 (Crossfire)|23600
SSD |OCZ 60GB Agility 3 SATA III|7500
HDD |Seagate 1TB 7200.12|2700
DVD Writer |LG 22X SATA DVD|900
PSU |Corsair TX850 V2|6800
Case |Lian Li Lancool K58W|4300
Monitor |Asus ML238H|11000
Mouse |Razer Deathadder|2000
Keyboard |RAzer Arctosa|2000
Mouse Pad |Razer Goliathus Dragon Age II Edition|900
UPS |APC 1.1KVA|4300
Speakers |Altec Lancing VS4621|3200
| Total |101900

Optional upgrades for 100k -

Component | Make | Price Headset |Roccat Kave|5000

Typo in Optional upgrades for 25k -

Jaskanwar Singh · Sep 15, 2011

suggest some ways to reduce from 3d config.

vwad said:
Typo in Optional upgrades for 25k -

thats real price of 6770 :mrgreen:

topgear · Sep 16, 2011

@ jas - but there's no GTX 560 Ti HAWK listed in 50k rig on previous page page or on the front page - there's only HD6950 2GB and HD6950 2GB TF3 PE ;-)

vwad · Sep 16, 2011

Jaskanwar Singh said:
suggest some ways to reduce from 3d config.

thats real price of 6770

No I meant You have written Motherboard instead of GPU. *www.thinkdigit.com/forum/images/icons/icon11.gif

d6bmg · Sep 16, 2011

@ Jaskanwar Singh: Consider about changing the graphics cards in 100K rig.

Cilus · Sep 16, 2011

^^What graphics card you want on 100K rig?

Extreme Gamer · Sep 16, 2011

For 100k setups, dont do 6870 CF/560 Ti SLI. You want the extra RAM a 570/580//6950 2GB/6970 will provide.

Scaling issues will bring their performance down too.

Cilus · Sep 16, 2011

^^ We don't want any extra Vram as upto 1080P resolution 1 GB Graphics memory is sufficient and a HD 6870 performs almost 10% faster than GTX 580. It has been improved to a much higher degree after the release of 11.6 Driver.

Extreme Gamer · Sep 16, 2011

Serious Sam 3 recommended settings are GTX 480/580.
Crysis 2 EASILY chews up over 1.5GB VRAM along with metro 2033 coming to 1200-1300MB.at 1680x1050, without any driver tweaks
Even the old COD6 eats 1100MB many times. I think COD7 uses more RAM(not sure).

if you are spending 1L on a PC, I bet you want to play pretty much everything maxed out for some time to come.

3D Vision means increased VRAM use too.

Cilus · Sep 16, 2011

Here is my experience with HD 6870 1GB Crossfire:-

In Metro 2033, everything set to highest details, with PhysX enabled at highest, I get around 40 to 45 FPS average. Even a single GTX 580 cannot cross 40FPS. A game can use more than 1 GB memory but that does not mean it has to or it leads to some performance benefit.
That is the reason that HD 6950 2 GB and 1GB model perform exactly same in 1080P resolution, sometimes 1GB version is beating the 2GB marginally.

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