PC Buying Guide 2011- Q4

topgear · Sep 12, 2011

Re: PC Buying Guide - July 2011

Jaskanwar Singh said:
TP WDC green 1TB will be 2.7k
green will be power saver, what say? and i dont think we need high disk performance for movies?

very nice. time to update configs with these wherever possible

The power consumption difference is not that much

WD 1TB Green Power Consumption :

Read/Write 5.30 Watts
Idle 3.30 Watts

Seagate 720..12 1TB Power Consumption :

Read/Write 9.4 Watts
Idle 5 Watts

so I think it's better to go with a performance HDD rather than a power saving slow one as it will be the only HDD on that HTPC - so read / write and access time should be good enough as it will be the OS install HDD as well ;-)

nilgtx260 · Sep 12, 2011

Re: PC Buying Guide - July 2011

thanx for the info topgear

Cilus · Sep 12, 2011

Re: PC Buying Guide - July 2011

Even my votes go for the Seagate 7200.12 Hard disk drives when compared to the WD Green models. I've some news about the build quality issues with the current WD Green Models.

Skud · Sep 12, 2011

Re: PC Buying Guide - July 2011

Already got my 2tb RMAed. Guess this will be alright.

Jaskanwar Singh · Sep 12, 2011

Re: PC Buying Guide - July 2011

ok TP.

check these everyone -

Sub 15k (Best for office work,downloading)

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Sub 20k (Best for office work,movies,downloading)

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Sub 25k (Best for office work, multimedia)

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Sub 30k (Casual gaming,multi media)

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Sub 35k (Entry level gaming,multi media)

Optional upgrades for 35k -

Component | Make | Price Motherboard |Asus M5A97|5700

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Sub 40k (Mid range gaming,multi media)

Optional upgrades for 40k -

Component | Make | Price Graphic Card |MSI R6870 Hawk|11500

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Sub 50k (Mid range gaming)

Optional upgrades for 50k -

rest upto 100k seem fine. check front page.
and poll is favouring upto 100k.

TP you may update to september.

Extreme Gamer · Sep 12, 2011

Re: PC Buying Guide - July 2011

JS, 25k setup does not need the 6770. 6670 will do fine. Increase the mobo quality.

Same for the 30k setup, other than that here a 6790 will do fine, and a 1TB HDD is a good idea.

What about A8s instead of Athlons in the 25k setup?

What do you think of a thread rename to September?

name PC Buying Guide 2011- September. Saw that Jsingh wants the name changed.

Another option is to make it quarterly from October onwards based on financial year (Q3 2011).

name PC Buying Guide 2011- Q3.

d6bmg · Sep 12, 2011

Re: PC Buying Guide - July 2011

Extreme Gamer said:
JS, 25k setup does not need the 6770. 6670 will do fine. Increase the mobo quality.

Same for the 30k setup, other than that here a 6790 will do fine, and a 1TB HDD is a good idea.

I seconded this.

Another option is to make it quarterly from October onwards based on financial year (Q3 2011).

name PC Buying Guide 2011- Q3.

Best idea as we actually don't need new guide every month as new range of components are released quarterly basis. So, in a quarter of a year prices tend to remain the same.

desai_amogh · Sep 12, 2011

Re: PC Buying Guide - July 2011

Hi guys,

my friend needs a powerful rig. He is not much into gaming. but he just wants to own one. This is the config he gave me and asked me to check if everything is good.

Processor: AMD Phenom X4 955 BE
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3
RAM: Corsair 1600 MHz Dual Channel (2 x 2) 4 GB
Power Supply : Seasonic S12II-520 520 Watts
Graphics Card: MSI R6850 Cyclone 1GD5 Power Edition/OC
CPu Cooler: Cooler master Hyper 212 Plus

Kindly suggest any changes which could be worth and advise if anything is wrong in this config.

vickybat · Sep 13, 2011

Re: PC Buying Guide - July 2011

For 40k and 50k rigs, the gpu's should 560 non-ti (upgradeable to 6870 hawk) and msi 560-ti hawk respectively.

560-ti hawk had got one of the best card award in tomshardware mixed review of midranged cards and its still not recommended in the buying guide for some odd and inexplicable reason.
Both are 10.2k and 14k respectively. Just my opinion. 560 non ti is a much better performer than 6850 and also gives 6870 intense competition. Its current pricing is a steal imo.

Btw price of MSI R6950 Twin Frozr III Power Edition/OC has increased to 16.1k in smc.

What about MSI N550GTX-Ti Cyclone II 1GD5 guys? Its currently priced at 7.6k which is a sweetspot imo. Currently amd has no card to compete at this price and maybe can be recommended over a 6770 with only 1k increment. Street prices should be a bit lower.

topgear · Sep 13, 2011

^^ MSi HD6770 is available @ only 6.2k - great VFM and a HD6790 can be found for around ~7.8k which is bettr than a GTX 550 Ti ;-)

But there's no denying that a GTX 560 Ti Hawk is a great card.

Thread title updated and can anyone add a single Sapphire HD6870 @ 10.8k in any of the configs - a stock HD6870 is enough to beat even a twin Frozr version of GTX 560 non Ti and HD6870 consumes less power than a GTX 560 non Ti - so a single Sapphire HD6870 with custom cooler would be a great addition ;-)

Jaskanwar Singh · Sep 13, 2011

Guys what u all think of EG's post about 6770 and 6790.

And nice to name it q3.

About 40k its already touching 41 and please suggest ways to add sapphire 6870 @ 10.8k(where?)/msi 6870 hawk @ 11.8k.

About 550ti, 6790 beats the hell out of it.

And about 560ti hawk, check hardocp's 550ti sli review.

nilgtx260 · Sep 13, 2011

^^ Jaz, everyone doesn't go for multi gpu setup, those who can not handle sli/cfx should go for single gpu solution like GTX 560 Ti/HD 6950 more than 2x GTX 550 Ti or HD 6790 CFX.

aby geek · Sep 13, 2011

guys whats ur take on zebronics bijli2 and circle black hawk? are they worth considering?

Jaskanwar Singh · Sep 13, 2011

Err..nilgtx560 thats the name of review not suggestion. ;-)

Aby bijli is good budget cabby.

vickybat · Sep 13, 2011

Jaskanwar Singh said:
About 550ti, 6790 beats the hell out of it.

If that's the case then a gtx 460 768mb can beat the hell out of a 6790 at same price point.

Jaskanwar Singh said:
And about 560ti hawk, check hardocp's 550ti sli review.

Actually hardocp's reviews has hardly any shader heavy titles apart from metro. They give emphasis on dirt 3(performs similarly across all cards as its greatly optimised to run on both amd and nvidia cards), dragon age II (A BUGGY GAME) and F1 (which favours amd which is not a bad thing though).

You can't really rule out the 560-ti hawk based on the above factors.

So other reviews should be considered and not only hardocp.

Tom's Graphics Card Guide: 32 Mid-Range Cards Benchmarked : Picking The Right Graphics Card

I see a complete contradiction here compared to hardocp.

560-ti hawk should deserve a place in the buying guide considering the performance, current pricing and thermal levels.

Jaskanwar Singh · Sep 13, 2011

Actually 460 768mb is old card, no fresh samples. EG told me to put 6790 instead.

Hard tested latest dx11 games. Nvidia driver probs with da2 finished with 280.xx.
About toms in dx11 games 6950 is ahead. And who plays old mafia2 now. We need to move towards future and see how cards perform in latest titles too.

And check toms best gpus for money august 2011 etc.

nilgtx260 · Sep 13, 2011

yeah in dx 11 amd performance is better compared to nvidia which is much more future proof I think.

*img820.imageshack.us/img820/4716/tessperformancehit.jpg

Cilus · Sep 13, 2011

JAs, even my suggestion for the 25K config is to go for HD 6670 or 6750 at max and provide a better motherboard. Because people going for this budget needs future upgrades more than a high end config and the mobo should be capable enough to handle those. So better suggest some mobo with at least 785/880/870 based chipset.
Right now the price of standrad GTX 560 Non Ti from Zotac and Sapphire HD 6870 are almost same, around 10.8K level. Now HD 6870 performs sloghtly better and consumes a lot less power than GTX 560. So I think we can live with HD 6870. But I guess we can keep 560 as option if anybody just want Nvidia card irrespective of anything. (n Beleive me, there are lots of people out there) Jas, I suggest you to check Lynx-India Graphics card prices as they have a huge variety of brands with updated prices.

vickybat · Sep 13, 2011

Jaskanwar Singh said:
Actually 460 768mb is old card, no fresh samples. EG told me to put 6790 instead.

Hard tested latest dx11 games. Nvidia driver probs with da2 finished with 280.xx.
About toms in dx11 games 6950 is ahead. And who plays old mafia2 now. We need to move towards future and see how cards perform in latest titles too.

And check toms best gpus for money august 2011 etc.

In dx11 titles like metro (only 0.5fps more for 6950) and Avp, its just 1-2fps max difference. There are other dx11 titles where nvidia edges out amd. So in metro and avp, the playable experience between 560-ti hawk and 6950 will be absolutely same.

This is no argument buddy but what i am trying to say is that 560-ti hawk offers very good vfm. We can also start a poll to determine whether it deserves a place in the buying guide or not.

The screenshot nilgtx260 provided doesn't mean amd cards perform better than nvidia. Its the performance hit caused when tesselation and extreme object detailing is turned on.
Nvidia cards has lesser performance hit than amd cards respectively in crysis 2. This is what the screenshot actually mean. Nvidia cards perform better in crysis 2.

About the "tomshardware best gpu's for august part", they are also right there but for stock cards. 6950 is much better than a stock 560-ti anyday. That's why its not in that list.

But hawk is a different 560-ti altogether.

d6bmg · Sep 13, 2011

Cilus said:
Jas, I suggest you to check Lynx-India Graphics card prices as they have a huge variety of brands with updated prices.

Do they update their site regularly? :unsure:

I can see price of some components remains same there for a prolonged period of time.

vickybat said:
But hawk is a different 560-ti altogether.

Yes, it is no match for non-ti 560 version and even 560ti. :thumbsup:

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