Overheating problems
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damngoodman999
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asingh
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I have a Quad Core Q6600 at stock speed 2.4 GHZ. On load it used to reach upto 80-85*C max. I recently read in digit that dust is a major problem of overheating so i took out the stock intel fan and cleaned it with a damp cloth. On restarting the temperatures soar to 100*C on max load. What should i do? The thermal paste was about 1mm thick or something. I'll post a pic if u need it...
Pls advice. Im willing to buy a new fan under RS 2000. Would it solve the problem?? or did my cleaning remove the thermal paste??
Finally will applying thermal paste solve the problem and bring it to normal??? (i.e. 80*C max that i used to get)
And where the heck do i buy Thermal paste. Hardware stores or Electronic or Electrical stores??? I went and asked in all the three kinds of shops for Thermal paste. Niether one even seemed to know what thermal paste is............PLEASE ADVICE...
When you put back the Heat Sink Fan (HSF) assembly did you apply thermal paste..??
If you did not..you should..take some Thermal Interface Material (TIM), and put a few dots on the processor top, and spread it evenly. Then place your HSF on top. I assume it is a push-pin type. Make sure, they all go in secure. They should each (all four) make a 'kataak' sound. That tells that the push-pin is in secure in the motherboard placement hole. Then check by trying to gently dislodge the HSF. It should not even budge a few centimeters. Also before applying TIM clean the CPU and HSF contact surfaces with isopropyl alcohol. Slightly dampen a lint-free cloth.
Material:
TIM: You can get it at any Computer Hardware Shop. I am sure Chennia has a area exclusively designated for computer parts. Like Nehru place --> New Delhi and Lamington Road ---> Mumbai. Ask for Coolermaster CPU paste. It is easily available.
Isopropyl Alcohol: Any chemist will have it.
Image of TIM:
*www.modernopc.com/store/images/NanoFusion_01.jpg
Let us know what temperaturs you are getting..post doing the above.
Best of luck.
asingh
Aspiring Novelist
THe 160GB disk is R.I.P
random thought:
I was wondering if one could actually use a refrigerator's cooling system... I mean it sounds crazy but a refrigerator from the 2nd hand market doesnt cost much. Some of the air cooled cpu / hdd solutions are more expensive than these. On top of that a refrigerator doesn't really consume a LOT of electricity. Its the perfect thing to draw heat away from a source, and therefore, it'd cool a lot better.
Would it be possible to have the inner piping in a refrigerator taken out, with a compressor and a heat exchanger away from the pc it seems possible. Just have the piping sorted of placed on a cabinet's side panel, and have the compressor and the heat exchanger outside. If this works it'd be totally chilled
Pro's
-Refrigerators are quite reliable, esp the old kelvinator ones, I'd one which lasted more than 16 years.
- Can run 24x7. Without much power consumption, barely adds like 200rs per month when you use a medium sized refrigerator with the deep freezer and the cooling compartment at low temperatures, In a pc the temperatures could be set to as high as 20*C and the refrigerator would work actively for very less amounts of time and generating a very minimal bill.
- Possibly the tubing is tougher than watercooling counterparts. Afaik, there are copper tubing inside a refrigerator..
- 2nd hand market refrigerators are very cheap.
Cons
- It's more of a hassle to install as damaging the system would result in vapour leak which isnt cheap to refill.
- Maybe would cause condensation inside the pc.. not sure about this.
- Bulky so can't be used for LAN parties etc, portability is hampered.
- Compressor might cause a humming noise.
Any thoughts on this ridiculous idea ?
As promised..here you go. A forum dedicated to extreme cooling. Check out the threads....!!!!!
Don't increase the NB voltage if your system runs stable as it will just increase mobo chipset temp.
Yes. But the sensor app on ubuntu is not that accurate to report temps.
The app is reporting vcore of 3.36V which is just not possible. So tere is no reason to belive that app
CPU's have two temps. One is tcase which amd only quotes on it's website
and the mobo ( I think correct ) and monitoring app on linux sensor is reporting ( though wrong ).
The other temp for cpu is core temp which reporting apps like coretemp and realtemp reports but amd has no documentation available on on cpu's max core temp so you would not see a value caled Tjmax when monitoring amd cpu's core temps using soft like coretemp.
Now rishabh9 mobo is showing tcase temp of 96C which us insanely high. it could be that his cpu's digital thermal sensor is bad or his heatsink is mounted incorrectly.
1st of all rishabh9 should update his mobo bios.
then
He should install windows and use core temp and post the idle and load temps and also post his vcore volts from his mobo's bios system monitor option.
That will fetch a clear pic for us
damngoodman999
damnbadman666
Can anypost the Tjmax for Phenom 2 processors , i dont find it any where
rishabh9
Broken In
I went into BIOS but didn't find any option where I can change the vCore! Is it by any chance under overclocking section? I didn't look in there ... with the current temperatures I am scared I might screw it up more!
Yes. But the sensor app on ubuntu is not that accurate to report temps.
The app is reporting vcore of 3.36V which is just not possible. So tere is no reason to belive that app
CPU's have two temps. One is tcase which amd only quotes on it's website
and the mobo ( I think correct ) and monitoring app on linux sensor is reporting ( though wrong ).
The other temp for cpu is core temp which reporting apps like coretemp and realtemp reports but amd has no documentation available on on cpu's max core temp so you would not see a value caled Tjmax when monitoring amd cpu's core temps using soft like coretemp.
Now rishabh9 mobo is showing tcase temp of 96C which us insanely high. it could be that his cpu's digital thermal sensor is bad or his heatsink is mounted incorrectly.
1st of all rishabh9 should update his mobo bios.
then
He should install windows and use core temp and post the idle and load temps and also post his vcore volts from his mobo's bios system monitor option.
That will fetch a clear pic for us
@topspeed: I have already updated my BIOS to the latest. Thats the first thing I did when the system started showing me indication of high temperatures.
I will install Vista on a separate partition and run those application you guys have told me... will let you guys know soon.
Yeah what do I do then?
I don't have any issues in installing Vista, but damn Ubuntu must have something to help me out with all that support they claim off! I have searched their forums and documentations ... got no help yet.BTW: Could the over heating be of some wrong connections on the motherboard??
asingh
Aspiring Novelist
I went into BIOS but didn't find any option where I can change the vCore! Is it by any chance under overclocking section? I didn't look in there ... with the current temperatures I am scared I might screw it up more!
@topspeed: I have already updated my BIOS to the latest. Thats the first thing I did when the system started showing me indication of high temperatures.
I will install Vista on a separate partition and run those application you guys have told me... will let you guys know soon.
Yeah what do I do then?
BTW: Could the over heating be of some wrong connections on the motherboard??
Yes..the vCore setting should be in the Over clock setting.
Wrong connection = Computer not booting.
You cannot have high temperatures cause of that..unless your HSF fan is not spinning..and is connected incorrectly.
asingh
Aspiring Novelist
Well even I was suprised to find this out...
1. TJmax is an Intel specification. I searched a lot and could not find any related metric for AMD.
2. TJmax (for Intel) is hardly accurate at low temperatures. Only when the delta to TJmax is small then it can be relied to be accurate. There is a comprehensive thread here, you can read this for more information. This article has been quite an enlightenment personally for me. Will have to be more careful, when advicing others about temperatures...
3. Here are two links which I found for AMD temperatures. First and Second.
@ asigh - Nice finding
I know about the point 3 1st article - they are all showing tcase temps and ditto for the 2nd link.
The core or tjmax temp of amd cpu's are all based on guess work though 85-100C what we should take as the point
BTW, if anyone don't want to install windows then they may create a XP pe or vista pe disc and run cpu-z and coretemp or realtemp on that xp pe or vista pe
But creating such disc is tedious as compared to just installing xp or vista
@ rishabh9 - yup install windows asap and let us know.
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No buddy. AMD has not documented it anywhere.
I know about the point 3 1st article - they are all showing tcase temps and ditto for the 2nd link.
The core or tjmax temp of amd cpu's are all based on guess work though 85-100C what we should take as the point
BTW, if anyone don't want to install windows then they may create a XP pe or vista pe disc and run cpu-z and coretemp or realtemp on that xp pe or vista pe
But creating such disc is tedious as compared to just installing xp or vista
@ rishabh9 - yup install windows asap and let us know.
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No buddy. AMD has not documented it anywhere.
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damngoodman999
damnbadman666
@ Asigh & Topgear - thanks buddy
BTW , still no solution y the core temp is raising for me , next week i m gona buy the another cooler !
I was thinking of buying Corsair H50 water cooler , but many reviews says it dont compete with TRUE 120 or Meghalems ???
Y ??
BTW , still no solution y the core temp is raising for me , next week i m gona buy the another cooler !
I was thinking of buying Corsair H50 water cooler , but many reviews says it dont compete with TRUE 120 or Meghalems ???
Y ??
asingh
Aspiring Novelist
@ asigh - Nice finding
No buddy. AMD has not documented it anywhere and he tjmax of intel cpu's are all based on their laptop cpu's
Meaning..based on laptops..?
how much does the H50 cost..??
smasher
Broken In
Thanks... its 2 much damn far away and i was looking for a shorter way. But it seems like i have to goto richie street only
@ asigh - sorry for the mistake ? I was posting on another forum. Corrected that!
I wanted say mobile cpu's don't have integrated heat spreader so their temp is all based on the TJmax only
Intel desktop ( and mobile/laptop ) cpu's tjmax is factory calibrated but as temp monitoring apps can show intel cpu's tjmax I believe they have documented in somewhere unlike amd
I wanted say mobile cpu's don't have integrated heat spreader so their temp is all based on the TJmax only
Intel desktop ( and mobile/laptop ) cpu's tjmax is factory calibrated but as temp monitoring apps can show intel cpu's tjmax I believe they have documented in somewhere unlike amd
Oh dayum I missed this post :O !
.. crazy forum
Still reading those threads Thumbs up for the link
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INS-ANI
In the zone
Seems like i was even unaware of heating was a problem...
nyway often playing movie and game in my lappy results in excess heatup.
Temp averages to 50+ and sometime even goes as high as 83 degree cel.
Gurus, please share your gyan and give this bhakt some remedy.
i have Inspiron 1420
nyway often playing movie and game in my lappy results in excess heatup.
Temp averages to 50+ and sometime even goes as high as 83 degree cel.
Gurus, please share your gyan and give this bhakt some remedy.
i have Inspiron 1420