Next Gen Console discussion ( PS4 'n Xbox One'n Wii U )

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skeletor

Chosen of the Omnissiah
Proof that the Wii U Might Not be ‘Next-Gen’

This thing is doomed for sure.
where's the proof?

This thing sold well enough. Still not as doomed as PS Vita has been.

Wii sold more than Xbox 360 and PS3 despite having old hardware. Nintendo has their family market.
 

vickybat

I am the night...I am...
where's the proof?

You'll get one soon.

Talk about sales, wii sits out at 99 million units shipped worldwide and has been sitting there for quite a while.
Both ps3 and xbox 360 are going extremely strong at 70+ million units worldwide.

On the contrary , they are even beating the wii-u which is a so called "next gen system".

Xbox 360 vs. PS3 vs. Wii U sales figures give Microsoft, Sony edge over Nintendo

With so much hype about the "true" next gen systems, i wonder what's gonna happen to wii-u since those will be much cheaper
than the launch prices of current gen consoles owing to off-shelf parts. Wii had the "being cheap" advantage back then which the wii-u probably doesn't have.

This time, Nintendo's protective circle (family) won't be able to save them. Honestly this console has nothing home to write about with the lackluster titles it offers.
 
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skeletor

Chosen of the Omnissiah
You'll get one soon.

Talk about sales, wii sits out at 99 million units shipped worldwide and has been sitting there for quite a while.
Both ps3 and xbox 360 are going extremely strong at 70+ million units worldwide.

On the contrary , they are even beating the wii-u which is a so called "next gen system".

Xbox 360 vs. PS3 vs. Wii U sales figures give Microsoft, Sony edge over Nintendo

With so much hype about the "true" next gen systems, i wonder what's gonna happen to wii-u since those will be much cheaper
than the launch prices of current gen consoles owing to off-shelf parts.
Wii had the "being cheap" advantage back then which the wii-u probably doesn't have.

This time, Nintendo's protective circle (family) won't be able to save them. Honestly this console has nothing home to write about with the lackluster titles it offers.
heh, Wii sits at 99m sold worldwide for "quite a while" because Wii U was officially revealed more than 1.5 years back. There was a point of time 3+ years back when Wii roughly had the same overall sale as Xbox and PS3 combined.

Game titles come with time. Not on launch. Even PS3 hardly had anything home to write about at launch, except the loss Sony was making with each unit sold.

Superficial disadvantage as of now. You don't even know the price PS4 and Xbox Next will retail for. I wonder with the hardware they have inside, are they going to be considerably less than $300. Not.
 

vickybat

I am the night...I am...
heh, Wii sits at 99m sold worldwide for "quite a while" because Wii U was officially revealed more than 1.5 years back. There was a point of time 3+ years back when Wii roughly had the same overall sale as Xbox and PS3 combined.

Game titles come with time. Not on launch. Even PS3 hardly had anything home to write about at launch, except the loss Sony was making with each unit sold.

Superficial disadvantage as of now. You don't even know the price PS4 and Xbox Next will retail for. I wonder with the hardware they have inside, are they going to be considerably less than $300. Not.

That's why i used the word "probably". Its gonna be $350-$400 at best. Analysts claim them to be significantly cheaper than the launch prices of current gen and nobody is taking that with a grain of salt this time. All speculations seem true considering the parts in use and amd behind them especially cpu. Jaguars are not only powerful but are extremely cost effective. Amd has build a gem of a cpu.

People will rather pay $100 (if prices don't end up being higher) more and get something which truly exudes "next gen" rather than buying a $300 piece of junk.
And what future titles you expect? Multiplats for ps4 and next xbox won't show up in wii-u because its incapable of handling games of those levels. It will have its usual crappy line up..... new mario, new zelda , put in some next wii sports and its library is full. Its kind of a jack of no trades. It still barely competes with a ps3/xbox 360.

In other words, wii- u is destined to be doomed.


PS4: hands-on, name, pricing, software and more - PSU predicts NYC next-gen reveal event
 
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tkin

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That's why i used the word "probably". Its gonna be $350-$400 at best. Analysts claim them to be significantly cheaper than the launch prices of current gen and nobody is taking that with a grain of salt this time. All speculations seem true considering the parts in use and amd behind them especially cpu. Jaguars are not only powerful but are extremely cost effective. Amd has build a gem of a cpu.

People will rather pay $100 (if prices don't end up being higher) more and get something which truly exudes "next gen" rather than buying a $300 piece of junk.
And what future titles you expect? Multiplats for ps4 and next xbox won't show up in wii-u because its incapable of handling games of those levels. It will have its usual crappy line up..... new mario, new zelda , put in some next wii sports and its library is full. Its kind of a jack of no trades. Its still barely competes with a ps3/xbox 360.

In other words, wii- u is destined to be doomed.


PS4: hands-on, name, pricing, software and more - PSU predicts NYC next-gen reveal event
I'd buy Wii just for that and I think may others will.
 

vickybat

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Which company confirmed that it won't allow second hand games ?? Sorry I forgot. :|

It was confirmed by microsoft but i guess sony will soon follow. It might change plans also.

I'd buy Wii just for that and I think may others will.

Yeah zelda is popular i know and has been a selling point for nintendo. But you got to have some other good titles to warrant a purchase.
I have used a wii ( not wii-u) for a year and the games are not worth it. They are purely casual. My sister-in-law used to play bowling/golf with it and its meant for that group of people.
Its not meant for any form of hardcore or story based gaming.

Right now, ps3 and xbox 360 are also offering similar titles in psn and xbla. No point in buying wii now or even this wii-u.
And its not inexpensive too. Wii is expensive than xbox 360 in india. Wii-U is not even getting most multiplatforms releasing for ps3/xbox360.
Third party developers are avoiding it for some reason.Games like dead space 3, DmC, New TombRaider,Crysis 3 and others are missing in Wii-U. Honestly, nintendo doesn't have enough first party developers like microsoft or sony do to woo customers. Only hardcore ninti fans would consider it and its declining these days. People have really moved on from games like zelda and mario. Super meat boy can be termed as a true successor of mario and extremely challenging at that.
 
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vickybat

I am the night...I am...
Some interesting news:

Ninten-D'oh! Wii U ZombiU Deluxe Set driving fans away in hordes:rofl:

Another consumer added, "I bought the Deluxe not even a month ago and im [sic] so mad I cant stand it. Pro controller and Zombie U an extra $110 dollars worth of stuff thats without tax for only $39.99. I think Ill be taking my Wii U back and waiting for the new Xbox or Sony to come out."
Why bother purchasing something when it first releases when you can get it for a fraction of the cost as part of a bundle shortly after? By announcing this bundle, and offering no form of compensation to early adopters, Nintendo has potentially tarnished its reputation with fans. If you purchased a Wii U console at launch, you have every right to be pissed. Hopefully, Nintendo acts quickly on this.

This blunder comes shortly after Ubisoft announced Rayman Legends, a former Wii U-exclusive title, would be released on Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. Oh, it was also delayed until September. :rofl: :nanananana:

Wii U sells just 34,000 pieces of software in January

UK software sales for Wii U last month were rather abysmal. Just 34,000 games were sold in the territory throughout January. The figure is even more bewildering when you consider that all copies of Nintendo Land – yes, the ones bundled in with the Premium Pack – count towards the total. Wii U maintained a market share of just 1.6% in the UK.

A full listing of UK software totals and market shares for other platforms can be found in the graphic above :blackeye:

Now leaving that filthy crap behind, here's some real news about next-gen. The heavyweights finally face-off even before an official reveal.

Spec analysis: Durango vs. Orbis

Direct X 11 vs. LibGCM

All of which brings us on quite nicely to the development environments accompanying the new hardware. It's business as usual for Microsoft, expanding on the existing Visual Studio tools used to create current-gen Xbox 360 titles. The switch from PowerPC to 64-bit x86 processors sees the introduction of a number of new extensions designed to leverage the new hardware, while the customised version of DX9 utilised by 360 gives way to a similarly enhanced DX11.

From what we've heard, it should be a seamless transition for developers (especially those who've worked with DX11 on prior PC projects) and while some appear to be worried that being locked to the Microsoft API will be an issue, the fact is that there are specific DX11 functions available to devs tied into the custom Durango hardware. There's also a level of flexibility in how DirectX is used that is equivalent to the almost legendary concept of "coding to the metal". For example, on Xbox 360, Microsoft allow developers to load shader constant data into the GPU in its native form. Devs point the hardware to the data and it loads it - the challenge is to ensure it's in the right place, in the right format before the GPU gets to it. Strictly speaking, it's still working within the DirectX API, but effectively, developers are writing to the hardware directly.

With regards the next-generation PlayStation, developers are highly unlikely to have the same kind of issues with the toolchain that they had with PS3. Having acquired SN Systems back in 2005, principally to improve the development environment for their consoles, we're told that the quality of the tools has increased exponentially to the point where one highly experienced game-maker we spoke to rates the PlayStation Vita tools as the most impressive he's used.

With Orbis, Sony is using a new variant of the LibGCM library, which has also been utilised in PS3 and Vita. This allows developers to more directly address the hardware, so elements of the AMD graphics hardware in particular can be accessed in a manner where there is no direct correlation in DirectX. You only need to look at games like God of War and Uncharted to see what Sony's approach to exploiting its hardware can produce: these remain state-of-the-art video games to this day, despite utilising graphics hardware directly derived from now-obsolete vintage 2005 Nvidia graphics hardware. Of course, with PS3 in particular, the GPU is only one part of the overall hardware offering, but the fact remains that developers are extracting performance from RSX that could only have been dreamed of when the console was designed.


This article is a must read for true lovers of next-gen systems.:)
 
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anirbandd

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i am a true lover :cheers:


but there is no saying if i may be able to afford one[PSOrbis] when it launches. :(
 

vickybat

I am the night...I am...
Sony PlayStation 4 “Orbis” May Cost Between $399 and $499 at Launch

I guess it will be a bit expensive at launch but price should fall after it starts getting more number of titles.
 

tkin

Back to school!!
Sony PlayStation 4 “Orbis” May Cost Between $399 and $499 at Launch

I guess it will be a bit expensive at launch but price should fall after it starts getting more number of titles.
Hmm, 30k in India? Well that's too bad, sales of PS3 took off in India only after it got to sub 20k, I see no future in India for a 30k console.
 

gameranand

Living to Play
Not as many as sony would want.

Well obviously but still if its 30K+ then very less amount of people will buy the product. At 25K many people buy it because they can't afford anything else in that price and when price goes up to 35K they think add another 5K and get a PC. :D:D
 

vickybat

I am the night...I am...
Well obviously but still if its 30K+ then very less amount of people will buy the product. At 25K many people buy it because they can't afford anything else in that price and when price goes up to 35K they think add another 5K and get a PC. :D:D

I don't think even a 100 or 150k pc can beat these new consoles. You have no idea how a custom 7970m has the power to perform in a closed box environment.
Do you think a 40k pc can stand against these and provide superior gaming performance? Not a chance.

The new libraries like libgcm and updated directx 11.x has immense potential not found in existing api's. Now console counterparts won't look inferior.
The 7970m based gpu will simply unleashed in an open-gl environment. I mean if a game like uncharted 3 or God of war 3 looks that amazing rendered by an abysmal gpu like RSX ( Nvidia 7800gt),
then imagine what these new consoles are capable of that too laced with true 8 core cpu's.

From what i see, the gaming landscape is going to change. :)


Ok now time for some info.

PlayStation 4 to Focus on New Gameplay, Not Hardware

The Sunday Seven: Sony's Other Big Reveals for Feb 20th
I wouldn't be surprised if killzone 4 looks like that. Its already a crysis 3 killer.;)

Only the incompatibilty of used games is a big turn-off if its true.

Since this is a next gen discussion thread, here's some thing truly next-gen and almost ready to be unleashed:

'Daylight' First 3rd-Party Game Using Epic's Unreal Engine 4
 
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