Next Gen Console discussion ( PS4 'n Xbox One'n Wii U )
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CommanderShawnzer
Steam High Templar
xbox 720 Dev kits bieng manufactured?
tkin
Back to school!!
Sony will LOCK it, not initially, but at certain point, like they did now.
PS3 has 8 core CPU, X360's 16 core processor(power PC) is different from PC processors.
16 coresWTF??
anyways Amen to the good news
False rumor, Darksiders II will not see Wii-U ever, neither will Batman, its a UE game.Nintendo's Wii U Launch Titles Potentially Leaked
Really impressive lineup especially the inclusion of tekken
vickybat
I am the night...I am...
I don't think so buddy. Check the below spoiler and link:
The game was released by Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment for the PlayStation 3, Xbox 360 and Microsoft Windows. The game was officially announced during the 2009 Spike Video Game Awards and was released worldwide for consoles, beginning in North America on October 18, 2011, with the Microsoft Windows version following on November 22, 2011. A Game of the Year edition is scheduled for release on May 29, 2012 in North America and Canada on September 7, 2012 for the rest of the world. A Wii U version is set to be released in 2012. A spin-off iOS game, Batman: Arkham City Lockdown, was developed by NetherRealm Studios and released on December 7, 2011.
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Rumor seems legit as same is the case with darksiders 2
tkin
Back to school!!
Wii-U's screen is small, s the hardware may pull it off, but porting for a third platform? Wonder if the details will be same.
Sujeet
Undead!!!
Re: PS4 and Xbox 720 Graphics Specs leaked
Unreal Engine 4 +NividaGrid Cloud Services Will Shape the future of Next Gen Consoles sans Nintendo and Will Strengthen Microsoft's Next Gen Gaming Platform.
BTW MS is integrating the Skype into next iteration of Xbox Console RANGE.
And those who are pondering over official support of Current Gen Consoles..atleast for MS Xbox it should extend to 2015 because the Xbox 320 was release with a Projected Lifecycyle of 10 yrs which will end by 2015.
Unreal Engine 4 +NividaGrid Cloud Services Will Shape the future of Next Gen Consoles sans Nintendo and Will Strengthen Microsoft's Next Gen Gaming Platform.
BTW MS is integrating the Skype into next iteration of Xbox Console RANGE.
And those who are pondering over official support of Current Gen Consoles..atleast for MS Xbox it should extend to 2015 because the Xbox 320 was release with a Projected Lifecycyle of 10 yrs which will end by 2015.
thetechfreak
Legend Never Ends
Report: PlayStation 4 Rumored to Use AMD Fusion CPU/GPU
Nice
lord1954man
Broken In
PS4 release date, news and rumours
UPDATED Is the Sony PlayStation 4 destined for a Christmas 2013 release date?
By James Rivington June 28thCOMMENTS
PS4 rumours are slowly gathering pace
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Xbox 720 to be a 16-core powerhouse?
Sony PS4 to come without Cell processor?
Sony is yet to confirm the existence of the PS4 games console, but it exists out there somewhere - you can be absolutely sure of that.
There have been rumours doing the rounds suggesting that Sony is calling the PS4 'Orbis'. This comes from a source speaking to Kotaku "who is not authorised to talk publicly about next-gen hardware but has shared correct information" with them before.
Assuming the Orbis name is accurate, it's still unclear whether the name is a codename like Durango or whether the console will literally be called the Sony PlayStation Orbis instead of the Sony PS4.
The name does make some kind of sense if you combine it with the word 'Vitae' (or Vita). Orbis Vitae translates from Latin as 'circle of life' and hints at some serious synergy between the PS4 and the PS Vita.
It could be a red herring, of course, but with the Vita already communicating fairly competently with the PS3, it seems highly likely that this will be the case. So what can we expect from the PlayStation 4?
No announcement yet
As the Sony press conference began at E3 2012, people were eagerly waiting to see if the rumors might be true. Will there be an official PlayStation 4 announcement?
But not only was there no PS4 announcement, but there was'nt even a mention, not even a hint. Nothing.
After E3 though, the chief executive of SCE told MCV that Sony would not be revealing its next console until it is satisfied that the PS4 will show a "significant leap" in technology.
"The right time to talk about new advances in hardware is when you can demonstrate a significant leap on the current experience, and something that is going to be attractive. Beyond that we have nothing to say at this point," he said.
PS4 likely to pack AMD CPU and graphics power
The same source who revealed the PlayStation Orbis name to Kotaku also mentioned that the PS4 is currently penciled in as packing an AMD x64 CPU and 28nm AMD Southern Islands graphics power.
The source doesn't go into any detail about what revision of AMD CPU hardware it's going to be using, but it could be the forthcoming Piledriver revision of the weak Bulldozer architecture from the AMD FX-8150 CPU.
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Nintendo Wii U release date, news and rumours
Piledriver is also going to be used in the upcoming Trinity APU, which incorporate both CPU and GPU components on die, but the first iterations of that particular chip possibly wont come with the 28nm GPU part. Subsequent APUs are scheduled to include Southern Island components, so that is still a possibility.
Meanwhile, IGN reports that the PS4 will be powered specifically by the AMD Radeon HD 7670 chip and the A8-3850 APU.
If that's true, it really is a big surprise. Those chips aren't even the best that AMD currently has to offer - so by the time the PS4 goes on sale it would be woefully lacking in power compared to the latest AMD tech, let alone the most advanced chips from Nvidia and Intel.
By 2014, Intel will be shipping 14nm - or possibly even 11nm - CPUs and with that amount of transistors on a die, we're talking serious performance and efficiency gains.
Next-gen gaming
Xbox 720 release date, news and rumours
So it's for this reason that we suspect - or hope - that early PS4 development kits may currently be using these AMD chips, but the final PS4 will most likely pack something a little more special. If that's not the case, it's time for hardcore gamers to start worrying.
According to the source of these rumours, Sony is attempting to get 4K gaming out the door with the PS4, along with full HD 1080p 3D gaming for the first time. We don't think it would even be possible to achieve this kind of output with the Southern Islands GPUs unless some kind of multi-GPU set-up is being used.
The Playstation 4 would also need to have some serious graphics memory inside it to cope with outputting to such high-resolution screens as 4K.
So we fully expect the launch specifications to be far more impressive.
There were actually some previous rumours that PS4 could use Nvidia's ARM-based Project Denver but this now seems quite unlikely.
It's far more probable that AMD is offering Sony and Microsoft (which is rumoured to also be using this AMD hardware in its XBox 720) heavily subsidised access to its CPU and GPU tech. AMD is currently being beaten by both Intel and Nvidia in the CPU and GPU markets, and so we reckon AMD needs these consoles almost as much as Sony and Microsoft do.
Backwards compatibility
When the original original PS3 unit shipped, it contained a chip that gave it the ability to play PS2 games. Subsequent iterations of hardware omitted this chip and so the backwards compatibility was condemned to death.
Current rumours suggests that the PS4 will completely ignore the possibility of backwards compatibility and focus firmly on the next generation. So if you want to continue playing your PS3 games, keep hold of your PS3s, kids.
Second hand games on the way out?
More rumours suggest that Sony is going in the same direction as Microsoft in that it wants to kill off the second hand games market. Current industry wisdom suggests that future PS4 games might be tied to your Sony Entertainment Network account and will thus then have no resale value. That's a similar approach as used by PC developers using Steam so we reckon this is a likely development. Doesn't mean we're happy about it, though.
What are the PS4 features we'd most like to see?
PS4info dreams of a next-gen PlayStation with a 32nm Cell processor an up to 16 SPEs, double the number in the PlayStation 3. While over on gamrConnect, there's talk of a greater partnership with Google. Sony's new fondness for Android on the Xperia Play is an interesting strategy.
Blu-ray on the PlayStation 4 is a dead cert. While digital distribution is undoubtedly the way forward, not every PlayStation owner has access to a fast broadband connection.
As Kaz Hirai told Develop, "we do business in parts of the world where network infrastructure isn't as robust as one would hope. There's always going to be requirement for a business of our size and scope to have a physical medium."
As for the PlayStation 4 controller, Dr. Richard Marks (Sony Computer Entertainment's US R&D manager of special projects) says that "anything that lets us get the player's intent into the system more" is technology they'll be looking at. No brain wave gaming just yet.
You can check out our wishlist PS4 video, to see what we are seeking in the next-gen console below:
PS4 release date
Latest rumours suggest that the PS4 will launch in time for Christmas 2013, though Sony are remaining quiet on the issue.
VG247 is quoting an anonymous source (always a bad start to a rumour) as saying that Sony believes it is in a position to get the PS4 out of the door before the launch of Microsoft's Xbox 720.
We remember, of course, how Microsoft managed to launch the 360 a full year before the PS3 went on sale and that enabled it to gain a huge headstart, despite all sorts of technical faults and expensive repair bills.
So it's a no-brainer that Sony will be looking to make sure that doesn't happen this time. How it can be so sure of beating Microsoft to the punch is another matter though, and as usual we'd take these anonymous comments with a glass of salty water.
Meanwhile, if you side with the likes of ITProPortal, you might believe that "the whole concept of a single lounge-bound gaming device may become obsolete". The future of gaming may well lie in a more portable device/controller that you can play on the move or plug into your TV. Epic's Mark Rein has some interesting thoughts on this here.
Senior execs for a big US retailer told their shareholders that they don't expect the Xbox 720 and PlayStation 4 til 2014. That seems like a good guess to us, even though Sony has always said the PS3 will have a 10-year life cycle (which began in 2006).
Bethesda's Todd Howard, game director for the blockbuster Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim, also says that gamers should not expect follow-ups to the PS3 and Xbox 360 until 2014, at the very earliest.
Speaking to PSM3 magazine, the Bethesda exec said that gamers were happy with the current generation of console tech and that he didn't expect to see an Xbox 720 or a PS4 before 2014.
UPDATED Is the Sony PlayStation 4 destined for a Christmas 2013 release date?
By James Rivington June 28thCOMMENTS
PS4 rumours are slowly gathering pace
Related stories
PS4 specs 'revealed' to be off-the-shelf PC components
Xbox 720 to be a 16-core powerhouse?
Sony PS4 to come without Cell processor?
Sony is yet to confirm the existence of the PS4 games console, but it exists out there somewhere - you can be absolutely sure of that.
There have been rumours doing the rounds suggesting that Sony is calling the PS4 'Orbis'. This comes from a source speaking to Kotaku "who is not authorised to talk publicly about next-gen hardware but has shared correct information" with them before.
Assuming the Orbis name is accurate, it's still unclear whether the name is a codename like Durango or whether the console will literally be called the Sony PlayStation Orbis instead of the Sony PS4.
The name does make some kind of sense if you combine it with the word 'Vitae' (or Vita). Orbis Vitae translates from Latin as 'circle of life' and hints at some serious synergy between the PS4 and the PS Vita.
It could be a red herring, of course, but with the Vita already communicating fairly competently with the PS3, it seems highly likely that this will be the case. So what can we expect from the PlayStation 4?
No announcement yet
As the Sony press conference began at E3 2012, people were eagerly waiting to see if the rumors might be true. Will there be an official PlayStation 4 announcement?
But not only was there no PS4 announcement, but there was'nt even a mention, not even a hint. Nothing.
After E3 though, the chief executive of SCE told MCV that Sony would not be revealing its next console until it is satisfied that the PS4 will show a "significant leap" in technology.
"The right time to talk about new advances in hardware is when you can demonstrate a significant leap on the current experience, and something that is going to be attractive. Beyond that we have nothing to say at this point," he said.
PS4 likely to pack AMD CPU and graphics power
The same source who revealed the PlayStation Orbis name to Kotaku also mentioned that the PS4 is currently penciled in as packing an AMD x64 CPU and 28nm AMD Southern Islands graphics power.
The source doesn't go into any detail about what revision of AMD CPU hardware it's going to be using, but it could be the forthcoming Piledriver revision of the weak Bulldozer architecture from the AMD FX-8150 CPU.
Next-gen gaming
Nintendo Wii U release date, news and rumours
Piledriver is also going to be used in the upcoming Trinity APU, which incorporate both CPU and GPU components on die, but the first iterations of that particular chip possibly wont come with the 28nm GPU part. Subsequent APUs are scheduled to include Southern Island components, so that is still a possibility.
Meanwhile, IGN reports that the PS4 will be powered specifically by the AMD Radeon HD 7670 chip and the A8-3850 APU.
If that's true, it really is a big surprise. Those chips aren't even the best that AMD currently has to offer - so by the time the PS4 goes on sale it would be woefully lacking in power compared to the latest AMD tech, let alone the most advanced chips from Nvidia and Intel.
By 2014, Intel will be shipping 14nm - or possibly even 11nm - CPUs and with that amount of transistors on a die, we're talking serious performance and efficiency gains.
Next-gen gaming
Xbox 720 release date, news and rumours
So it's for this reason that we suspect - or hope - that early PS4 development kits may currently be using these AMD chips, but the final PS4 will most likely pack something a little more special. If that's not the case, it's time for hardcore gamers to start worrying.
According to the source of these rumours, Sony is attempting to get 4K gaming out the door with the PS4, along with full HD 1080p 3D gaming for the first time. We don't think it would even be possible to achieve this kind of output with the Southern Islands GPUs unless some kind of multi-GPU set-up is being used.
The Playstation 4 would also need to have some serious graphics memory inside it to cope with outputting to such high-resolution screens as 4K.
So we fully expect the launch specifications to be far more impressive.
There were actually some previous rumours that PS4 could use Nvidia's ARM-based Project Denver but this now seems quite unlikely.
It's far more probable that AMD is offering Sony and Microsoft (which is rumoured to also be using this AMD hardware in its XBox 720) heavily subsidised access to its CPU and GPU tech. AMD is currently being beaten by both Intel and Nvidia in the CPU and GPU markets, and so we reckon AMD needs these consoles almost as much as Sony and Microsoft do.
Backwards compatibility
When the original original PS3 unit shipped, it contained a chip that gave it the ability to play PS2 games. Subsequent iterations of hardware omitted this chip and so the backwards compatibility was condemned to death.
Current rumours suggests that the PS4 will completely ignore the possibility of backwards compatibility and focus firmly on the next generation. So if you want to continue playing your PS3 games, keep hold of your PS3s, kids.
Second hand games on the way out?
More rumours suggest that Sony is going in the same direction as Microsoft in that it wants to kill off the second hand games market. Current industry wisdom suggests that future PS4 games might be tied to your Sony Entertainment Network account and will thus then have no resale value. That's a similar approach as used by PC developers using Steam so we reckon this is a likely development. Doesn't mean we're happy about it, though.
What are the PS4 features we'd most like to see?
PS4info dreams of a next-gen PlayStation with a 32nm Cell processor an up to 16 SPEs, double the number in the PlayStation 3. While over on gamrConnect, there's talk of a greater partnership with Google. Sony's new fondness for Android on the Xperia Play is an interesting strategy.
Blu-ray on the PlayStation 4 is a dead cert. While digital distribution is undoubtedly the way forward, not every PlayStation owner has access to a fast broadband connection.
As Kaz Hirai told Develop, "we do business in parts of the world where network infrastructure isn't as robust as one would hope. There's always going to be requirement for a business of our size and scope to have a physical medium."
As for the PlayStation 4 controller, Dr. Richard Marks (Sony Computer Entertainment's US R&D manager of special projects) says that "anything that lets us get the player's intent into the system more" is technology they'll be looking at. No brain wave gaming just yet.
You can check out our wishlist PS4 video, to see what we are seeking in the next-gen console below:
PS4 release date
Latest rumours suggest that the PS4 will launch in time for Christmas 2013, though Sony are remaining quiet on the issue.
VG247 is quoting an anonymous source (always a bad start to a rumour) as saying that Sony believes it is in a position to get the PS4 out of the door before the launch of Microsoft's Xbox 720.
We remember, of course, how Microsoft managed to launch the 360 a full year before the PS3 went on sale and that enabled it to gain a huge headstart, despite all sorts of technical faults and expensive repair bills.
So it's a no-brainer that Sony will be looking to make sure that doesn't happen this time. How it can be so sure of beating Microsoft to the punch is another matter though, and as usual we'd take these anonymous comments with a glass of salty water.
Meanwhile, if you side with the likes of ITProPortal, you might believe that "the whole concept of a single lounge-bound gaming device may become obsolete". The future of gaming may well lie in a more portable device/controller that you can play on the move or plug into your TV. Epic's Mark Rein has some interesting thoughts on this here.
Senior execs for a big US retailer told their shareholders that they don't expect the Xbox 720 and PlayStation 4 til 2014. That seems like a good guess to us, even though Sony has always said the PS3 will have a 10-year life cycle (which began in 2006).
Bethesda's Todd Howard, game director for the blockbuster Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim, also says that gamers should not expect follow-ups to the PS3 and Xbox 360 until 2014, at the very earliest.
Speaking to PSM3 magazine, the Bethesda exec said that gamers were happy with the current generation of console tech and that he didn't expect to see an Xbox 720 or a PS4 before 2014.
surajramnani2k8
Journeyman
any ideas how much approx can we expect this to cost..i guess ill start saving from now itself lol
actually i wish i cant afford more then that manojbhagat
Banned
By the way,when are these 2 monsters getting launched? And what would be the expected price of these consoles and the game CD's in the Indian market?
manojbhagat
Banned
Hmmm,please update this thread as soon as you find out
DeadFire87
Right off the assembly line
Well I personally believe.
PS4
Option 1: 8/12/16 core CPU(Possibly AMD FX or AMD Server lineup CPU) + AMD Kaveri APU + Modified AMD 7970M GPU (rumored at 1.840 Tflops) Roughly equating to about 3+ Tflops.
Option 2: 4 core AMD Kaveri(CPU + AMD 7750) + Modifed AMD 7970M GPU(with 1.840 Tflops). Altogether that would equal about 2.659 Tflops
XB3
Option 1: 16 core Power8 CPU + AMD Trinity's GPU(6670) + Modified AMD 6990 based GPU.
Option 2: 4 core Power7+ CPU (with 4 threads per core having 16 threads. Rumors can be smeared you know.) + AMD Trinity's GPU + Modified AMD 6990 based GPU this equates to about 2.369 + say .200 Tflops for CPU although number is a tad bit smaller than PS4's with 2.569 Tflops which also matches the rumors.
Now why do I say AMD Kaveri/AMD Trinity? Well many rumors point directly to their embedded GPUs being in the systems. So that is what I am thinking that.
Another thing to note is the details of the GHZ editions of the new AMD 7870 and AMD 7970. I believe firmly that they have same specs as PS4/XB3's combined GPU's power. Not the same level with Tflops, but the same GP/GT/bandwidth or really close to it. Given that I will give you the GP/GT data. 7870 Ghz Edition has 32 GP/80 GT while 7970 Ghz Edition has 33.6 GP/134.4 GT. If you take the GP rate of PS3/X360(4.4) and multiply it by 7. You can see that both of them are at least 7 times more powerful than PS3/X360 GPUs. That is the GPU power alone. Throw in the CPU power and we can easily see claims of 8+ times the power of current gen. As they use math to show how powerful it is based solely on Tflops. Most CPUs have .1-.3 Tflops of power these days depending. Considering the 6670 and 7670 GP/GT rate thrown in there as well it gets a bigger bump up with PS4 having 46.4 GP/160 GT. While XB 3 has 38.4 GP/99.2 GT. Although its hard to say they will feature the same GP/GT as I have guessed here, but its likely a goal to reach that area or close to it.
Making both systems easily capable of handling Unreal Engine 4 at 1080p. Epic stated that 2.5 Tflops would be necessary for 1080p to be at a steady framerate. Another thing to note is that Epic stated 1.5 Tflops would be necessary for 720p to have a steady framerate. ;p Which makes me wonder. What is the WiiU packing. To know this you have to look at the AMD 4000 series. As it has been claimed a million times that it is based on an AMD R700 series GPU. Some rumors swirl around 40 nm. There is only 1 GPU at that range. The 4770. Now look at today's lineup. What can match up to 4770. AMD 7870M is spot on duplicate with improved performance. 12.8 GP/32 GT and 1024 Gflops or 1.024 Tflops. This has got me thinking.
WiiU
Modified Power7 quad core CPU(even if its got 3 cores its likely based on a quad core CPU) + AMD Llano's GPU + modified AMD 7870M GPU which equals out to about 1.504 Tflops + CPU power so it could be around 1.6-1.7 Tflops in the WiiU. Making it capable of this gen and next gen game engine quality, but not quite at the same level as other platforms. In turn it means WiiU can handle next gen ports of games to 720p if true.
This in turn could be what Nintendo meant by stating that their system might not be to far behind the others by supporting Unreal Engine 4.
This in turn makes all three systems feature HSA and dual GPUs. Which is a great plus for all.
What do yall think about my math? It seems like an almost perfect fit to every rumor.
PS4
Option 1: 8/12/16 core CPU(Possibly AMD FX or AMD Server lineup CPU) + AMD Kaveri APU + Modified AMD 7970M GPU (rumored at 1.840 Tflops) Roughly equating to about 3+ Tflops.
Option 2: 4 core AMD Kaveri(CPU + AMD 7750) + Modifed AMD 7970M GPU(with 1.840 Tflops). Altogether that would equal about 2.659 Tflops
XB3
Option 1: 16 core Power8 CPU + AMD Trinity's GPU(6670) + Modified AMD 6990 based GPU.
Option 2: 4 core Power7+ CPU (with 4 threads per core having 16 threads. Rumors can be smeared you know.) + AMD Trinity's GPU + Modified AMD 6990 based GPU this equates to about 2.369 + say .200 Tflops for CPU although number is a tad bit smaller than PS4's with 2.569 Tflops which also matches the rumors.
Now why do I say AMD Kaveri/AMD Trinity? Well many rumors point directly to their embedded GPUs being in the systems. So that is what I am thinking that.
Another thing to note is the details of the GHZ editions of the new AMD 7870 and AMD 7970. I believe firmly that they have same specs as PS4/XB3's combined GPU's power. Not the same level with Tflops, but the same GP/GT/bandwidth or really close to it. Given that I will give you the GP/GT data. 7870 Ghz Edition has 32 GP/80 GT while 7970 Ghz Edition has 33.6 GP/134.4 GT. If you take the GP rate of PS3/X360(4.4) and multiply it by 7. You can see that both of them are at least 7 times more powerful than PS3/X360 GPUs. That is the GPU power alone. Throw in the CPU power and we can easily see claims of 8+ times the power of current gen. As they use math to show how powerful it is based solely on Tflops. Most CPUs have .1-.3 Tflops of power these days depending. Considering the 6670 and 7670 GP/GT rate thrown in there as well it gets a bigger bump up with PS4 having 46.4 GP/160 GT. While XB 3 has 38.4 GP/99.2 GT. Although its hard to say they will feature the same GP/GT as I have guessed here, but its likely a goal to reach that area or close to it.
Making both systems easily capable of handling Unreal Engine 4 at 1080p. Epic stated that 2.5 Tflops would be necessary for 1080p to be at a steady framerate. Another thing to note is that Epic stated 1.5 Tflops would be necessary for 720p to have a steady framerate. ;p Which makes me wonder. What is the WiiU packing. To know this you have to look at the AMD 4000 series. As it has been claimed a million times that it is based on an AMD R700 series GPU. Some rumors swirl around 40 nm. There is only 1 GPU at that range. The 4770. Now look at today's lineup. What can match up to 4770. AMD 7870M is spot on duplicate with improved performance. 12.8 GP/32 GT and 1024 Gflops or 1.024 Tflops. This has got me thinking.
WiiU
Modified Power7 quad core CPU(even if its got 3 cores its likely based on a quad core CPU) + AMD Llano's GPU + modified AMD 7870M GPU which equals out to about 1.504 Tflops + CPU power so it could be around 1.6-1.7 Tflops in the WiiU. Making it capable of this gen and next gen game engine quality, but not quite at the same level as other platforms. In turn it means WiiU can handle next gen ports of games to 720p if true.
This in turn could be what Nintendo meant by stating that their system might not be to far behind the others by supporting Unreal Engine 4.
This in turn makes all three systems feature HSA and dual GPUs. Which is a great plus for all.
What do yall think about my math? It seems like an almost perfect fit to every rumor.
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