grudgy, I don't quite understand what you are saying. 1) Are you saying it only happens for SC/ST students? 2) even if it isn't, when you say "sit", you have to pay the fee and do nothing?? 3) can you link me somewhere in this regard?
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no man. it means those ppl have to take an additional preparatory course of one year...........before beginning engg semesters........
drgrudge
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It works like this.
IITs reserve 22.5% for SC/ST (But they don't fill them all - hardly 16-17%). SC/ST students with a comparatively good score in JEE will qualify to sit with other students. Now they see if they've filled some portion of seats. If a lot of seats are vacant, then take other SC/ST student will lesser scores in JEE with a condition that they need to study a bridge course for a year before sit with other students.
AFAIK that thing is free.
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I hope everyone understands that I was just pointing out an example. I'm not saying that it was judged as what i said in my example.
slugger
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To tell you all the truth, I am quite satisfied with the Supreme Court ruling 
Three reasons: -
1.) Creamy layer excluded
2.) Quota to be reviewed every 5 years
3.) Politicians wards to be excluded
The reason I did not voice my whole hearted support in the evening was because I had just glanced through the NEWS and was unaware of the exact deatils. The 9 'o click NEWS cleared them all.
Well I have been a first hand witness to the benefits of reservation for the economically poor class.
The lady who cooks at our place is a perfect example for this. Her two sons actually studied under the nearest lampost on the road because they were too poor to afford electricity and the kerosene lamp too often ran without any kerosene in it.
(A picture perfect case for an NGO to highlight, but no NGO ever did anything for them)
They studied inspite of the the loud music that is played almost continously in the area and the frequent unrestrained quarrels that erupts there without the slightest of provocations (only if we had doctors in real life to first instigate and then control the fights).
Well under these circumstances it would have been too much to ask of them to top their class exams and they never did.They both passed their class 12 exams with around 50% marks.
However what they had going for them was their caste. Because they belonged to a caste that enjoys reservation benefits, the elder one managed to secure admissions in BSc. in a College has been featuring in the top 10 list of Science colleges in India today for the past 3-4 years now. The younger brother sought and got admission in a reputed commerce collge of the city (known for its Intl students). Hard to believe, but both of them secured a distinction in their third year exams (final year), the elder bro getting a first class from the second year itself.
The elder bro graduated in 2001 and has been working with a pharma comapny since. The younger one graduated in 2006 and has been working with HDFC (and no, he is not a loan recovery agent). They had moved from their tin hut to a low cost housing plan. They even got their mother to stop working everywhere else, save ours and rest at home.
The reason I though our cook's story was apt is because, had it not been for this reservation, her sons too would have turned into some anti-social element who would probably have met their end with the bullet of a rival and landed in some gutter to rot.
It was only because they got an oppurtunity to study in two of the finest educational intitutes, they were exposed to a world so very different from the one the were living in. This gave them an oppurtunity to realise their full potential while interacting with the educated and cultured teachers and staff there.
They may never get to see the face of Los Alamos or Harvard Business school, but how many Open category Indians have anyway.
Somebody had said that they only study for 300 marks while we study for 500.
It is so very untrue. Infact while we were able to afford the luxuary of joining tutions if we so desired and buy multiple books on the same subject, these 2 brothers actually studied from books issued by the school book bank which had pages missing from them.
Had there not been any reservations, I would easily have secured admission in a faar better Engg college than the one I already am in. But if that the seat has gone to a guy from an economically backward family, I would only curse myself for the hours I spent on activites not related to studies when I should have been doing just that.
Three reasons: -
1.) Creamy layer excluded
2.) Quota to be reviewed every 5 years
3.) Politicians wards to be excluded
The reason I did not voice my whole hearted support in the evening was because I had just glanced through the NEWS and was unaware of the exact deatils. The 9 'o click NEWS cleared them all.
Well I have been a first hand witness to the benefits of reservation for the economically poor class.
The lady who cooks at our place is a perfect example for this. Her two sons actually studied under the nearest lampost on the road because they were too poor to afford electricity and the kerosene lamp too often ran without any kerosene in it.
(A picture perfect case for an NGO to highlight, but no NGO ever did anything for them)
They studied inspite of the the loud music that is played almost continously in the area and the frequent unrestrained quarrels that erupts there without the slightest of provocations (only if we had doctors in real life to first instigate and then control the fights
).Well under these circumstances it would have been too much to ask of them to top their class exams and they never did.They both passed their class 12 exams with around 50% marks.
However what they had going for them was their caste. Because they belonged to a caste that enjoys reservation benefits, the elder one managed to secure admissions in BSc. in a College has been featuring in the top 10 list of Science colleges in India today for the past 3-4 years now. The younger brother sought and got admission in a reputed commerce collge of the city (known for its Intl students). Hard to believe, but both of them secured a distinction in their third year exams (final year), the elder bro getting a first class from the second year itself.
The elder bro graduated in 2001 and has been working with a pharma comapny since. The younger one graduated in 2006 and has been working with HDFC (and no, he is not a loan recovery agent). They had moved from their tin hut to a low cost housing plan. They even got their mother to stop working everywhere else, save ours and rest at home.
The reason I though our cook's story was apt is because, had it not been for this reservation, her sons too would have turned into some anti-social element who would probably have met their end with the bullet of a rival and landed in some gutter to rot.
It was only because they got an oppurtunity to study in two of the finest educational intitutes, they were exposed to a world so very different from the one the were living in. This gave them an oppurtunity to realise their full potential while interacting with the educated and cultured teachers and staff there.
They may never get to see the face of Los Alamos or Harvard Business school, but how many Open category Indians have anyway.
Somebody had said that they only study for 300 marks while we study for 500.
It is so very untrue. Infact while we were able to afford the luxuary of joining tutions if we so desired and buy multiple books on the same subject, these 2 brothers actually studied from books issued by the school book bank which had pages missing from them.
Had there not been any reservations, I would easily have secured admission in a faar better Engg college than the one I already am in. But if that the seat has gone to a guy from an economically backward family, I would only curse myself for the hours I spent on activites not related to studies when I should have been doing just that.
DigitalDude
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^^^
after reading that I can only remember this *in.rediff.com/money/2006/aug/31spec.htm
though few in number.. inspiring nonethless
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after reading that I can only remember this *in.rediff.com/money/2006/aug/31spec.htm
though few in number.. inspiring nonethless
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^ ^ hats off to that lady and congrats to those two guys!!
you know what bothers me... these guys who exploit the system... there were guys in my college who came in pulsar and karisma (just to quote the cost) right from their 2nd semester, wearing 3000 or 5000 rs shoes/slippers and they paid 3000/- per semester with 13-16 brand new textbooks every semester apart from the 4 library books which he returns as new as it was at the end!! because of their caste and I paid 7000/- per semester with books from library (4 max), I was the first seat in the college!! My rank was 168. I don't mind if he is pompous... but what sort of encouragement is this... The least possible thing is to do something with regard to financial situations or to take it also into account including the social status! 
And, the guy who was standing next to me in the counseling session, was 192.8 and when I asked him how he was next to me... he gave a reluctant smile which I will never forget and told.. we are eligible!! He got computer science in the guindy campus (Anna university, Chennai) , while I was not having seats left!
you know what bothers me... these guys who exploit the system... there were guys in my college who came in pulsar and karisma (just to quote the cost) right from their 2nd semester, wearing 3000 or 5000 rs shoes/slippers and they paid 3000/- per semester with 13-16 brand new textbooks every semester apart from the 4 library books which he returns as new as it was at the end!!
because of their caste and I paid 7000/- per semester with books from library (4 max), I was the first seat in the college!! My rank was 168. I don't mind if he is pompous... but what sort of encouragement is this... The least possible thing is to do something with regard to financial situations or to take it also into account including the social status! Unfortunately, its not. I have seen Father's advising their child to study only as much as possible as he requires only this much to get into a college... really!! believe me.
And, the guy who was standing next to me in the counseling session, was 192.8 and when I asked him how he was next to me... he gave a reluctant smile which I will never forget and told.. we are eligible!!
He got computer science in the guindy campus (Anna university, Chennai) , while I was not having seats left!
DigitalDude
PhotonAttack
@legolas
I agree with you in this case.. even I have seen this in my coll..
OT: which coll in TN ? pm me if you dont want to post lot of similarities with my coll
strike that he answered
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I agree with you in this case.. even I have seen this in my coll..
OT: which coll in TN ?
pm me if you dont want to post lot of similarities with my collstrike that he answered
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slugger
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i know one of these guys
studies in my college too
pop works in Oman. earns truckloads of cash. yet seeks admission through reservation and also gets his fee reimbursed from the govt through the coll itself
man!!!!
OMG.. I don't even know if I can live for 1 day with 1 Rs alone, let alone feed 5 kids! The great Madras Institute of Technology!! (the worst quagmire/sh!t I have ever been in for 4 long years in Electronics Engineering)
slugger
Banned
by excluding the creamy layer your are taking care of that problem too
DigitalDude
PhotonAttack
dude which batch you are... I have probably seen those guys you have mentionedman!!!!
there were a few in ECE and mech too me from CEG
(same sh1t here also)p.s. sorry for OT
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infra_red_dude
Wire muncher!
Here is the point I've been trying to make!
Tell you what? There's a woman in my locality in Belgaum (actually not my present locality, I once stayed there but I still visit the place). She works as house maid in my friend's house. Her family consists of only her son. They are poor. She has a son who is above average (I must say quite intelligent considering the environment and resources with which he studied) but UNFORTUNATELY they neither belong to the so-called "upper class" nor the "reserved class". My friend's family supported his education during his school days upto Class XII.
There are very few good science colleges in Belgaum and he was good in Electronics (thats what he had taken in 12th). He scored average marks in XII, I guess about 75% and hence couldn't get a seat in any electrical sciences related branch. They didn't haf the money to go in for a payment seat. All they could afford was the Govt. seat which was not available. He took up the Govt. seat in some other branch (I don't remember which exactly). He passed out but only with very average scores and everyone was amazed coz he was good in studies till XII. It was obvious since he was not into that branch and his mother didn't haf the money to send him to another city where he would've got a seat in the branch he was confident for. He's become a liability for his mother now. He has no work.
Now isn't this family in the same situation as the one you explained? Why can't there be reservation for the economically poor class too? What sin haf these people committed? Isn't it like the Govt. policy ruined the life of a youngster? How can we justify reservation only on the basis of caste?
Thats me and yes, this can't be generalised.
cool! I am from 2001-2005. I dint want to take anything other than computer science in CEG. I dint get it.. My next choice was Electronics engineering from MIT... as the hype was humongous. It was worse than dog sh!tdude which batch you are... I have probably seen those guys you have mentioned
me from CEG
p.s. sorry for OT
OFF TOPIC: You should know SKM (ECE dept) (S Krishna Moorthy) the professor of CUPS!
he is from my college the HOD of my college made sure that he got the transfer to your campus!! ha ha ha but lets reserve that for another on-topic discussion!! 
Does creamy layer see this too ?
slugger
Banned
the thing had been highlghted for the same reason
it is indeed unfortunate that the deserving guy did not recieve any financial aid
but 1 thing that i would also like to say is that outside the IITs and NITs there is no Uni whose Engg exams cannot be aced by just learning the local author txt books by rote and going through the previous 4-5 yrs Qs papers - guarantted to get you a first class
IMO aptitude has got absolutely nothing to with this style of exam preparation. 2 days after the paper you will be as knowledgeble as an arty or commy student about the engg paper. But on the day of the paper you will be prepared for a first class
DigitalDude
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cool! I am from 2001-2005. I dint want to take anything other than computer science in CEG. I dint get it.. My next choice was Electronics engineering from MIT... as the hype was humongous. It was worse than dog sh!t
OFF TOPIC: You should know SKM (ECE dept) (S Krishna Moorthy) the professor of CUPS!
hahaha that idiot is very famous in the campus... ECE friends cry like anything... kappu-krishnamoorthy
sometimes they even make secret plans to pottuthallify him I had CSE, IT, Mech et al in CEG (MBC quota only
) but I never gave a damn about this reservation stuff and all at that time... some xperts in my relations advised not to go for CSE and IT as those were not stable (the .com bust days) and being a lot interested in cars took mech btw me 2002-2006 batch but got a sem brk due to a surgery completed last yr only...
this yr one more surgery p.s. sry guys going too much OT
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@slugger very true reg. the examinations... its not the examination in those cases that is the problem... coz every1 knows its easy (at least the ones in city get EXTENSIVE coaching that they repeat the answers in sleep).. take TNPCEE.. its a test of absurdness, not intelligence. but its the competition that bothers every1. in my year.. for every 0.2 marks there was a rank lost almost.
@digitaldude, that is awesome!! good to know there is 1 guy who knows that b@stard. Yeah, the same "pottuthalifying" was also planned in my college.. it went really serious. There were 110/135 people failed in my batch during his time... Fortunately I wasn't one among them!! people were furious, his name came in the Hindu, Hod decided to transfer him, students decided to murder him! :d ha ha ha Hope everything is fine now with you!!
@digitaldude, that is awesome!! good to know there is 1 guy who knows that b@stard. Yeah, the same "pottuthalifying" was also planned in my college.. it went really serious. There were 110/135 people failed in my batch during his time... Fortunately I wasn't one among them!! people were furious, his name came in the Hindu, Hod decided to transfer him, students decided to murder him! :d ha ha ha Hope everything is fine now with you!!
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