no member from the
other side i guess
getting very 1 sided
I was keeping quiet since I felt talking and ranting here is just useless. But slugger wanted some argument from the other side and Pathik was indulging in name-calling. and discussions are already spiralling so fast.. So I dont want to keep mum. Let me also join the rant party guess I'm very very late
I come under OBC Creamy Layer
you guys should give credit to the SC in atleast stopping people like me from entering the premium institutions riding on the back of reservation. Thats a laudable move.
@sluggy
It's cos the bloody creamy layer wala idiots don't have the guts to argue over this. They ll be pawn3d.
what pwned.. I never asked for any reservation... dont talk like a kid
being in creamy layer or backward class doesn't mean people are idiots. I'm smarter, more intelligent than many of my so called general category classmates
so being stupid or intelligent does not have anything to do here. if you are angry show it on the govt not on the people.
What is my view? I, like everyone, feel that reservations are
totally unnecessary in its current form and mostly pursued by the present day governments due to fear of a communal backlash.
Even reservations should not be given solely because of financial conditions... if that was the case a lot of people become poor by choice and by their actions so they clearly dont deserve anything..
so reservations are more justifiable when they are based on socio-economic conditions rather than on social or economic conditions considered alone. hope I'm clear.
No educated guy can deny that the matter of reservations, though long ago had some merit and a noble goal of bringing up the long oppressed classes in India, is being highly manipulated by the Political Parties for their own good. Infact this is the only thing they ALL are united. Just like any other issue that these political parties do to benefit themselves. But this matter has become so sensitive because it directly affects the future of the youth in this country.
Observing the discussions in this thread I can say the following points:
1) Everyone is highly furious over reservations
ok acceptable
2) a few are directly attacking the people of the reserved class in general... what am I to do
what is the mistake with me ???
3) Most of the people dont even know the original aims of the reservation policy. though it is now implemented
not for fulfilling those early aims.
4) Most of you dont have any idea of how bad caste situations are in the major part of India - the villages... even in many parts of the cities
5) Indulging in name-calling 'other side' when there is no one to speak for. idiots, dim-wits, brainless ?? lol wat else.
6) not many realise that just by venting your anger here you cant even move a strand of hair of the actual situation
7) no one dare to play the devil's advocate for fear of getting flamed by an entire forum
with exception of slugger...
as even I'm on the same boat, like slugger said, there is no one to give counter points.
But I can talk a lot about this matter sensibly and even give individual replies to answer many misconceptions (like praka's and legolas' view about TN) but its of no use. You guys should remember that getting angry and animated is no solution to any problem. If you are genuinely concerned about the society take matters to your hand. Go do it instead of cribbing and whining.. "mommy govt reservzz seats I has no placee"
take things in your hands join politics or civil services or judiciary, secure India from MOFO politicians.
either change the rule/rulemakers, show dissent in an educated way or just play by the rules.
but inparticular I have to point out one single statement mainly:
FCUK............we h ave to pay our ass through fees and they rubbing their hnads in glee getting everywhere free....god we all are feeling sorry tht we were born into a good family....
so does that mean general category is good family and reserved category is bad family ?? hmmm this is called racism.. a crime..
and no mate where they are giving fees concession to OBCs ?? you may be talking about SC/STs
I do not think that they are going to cross the 50% barrier. Human rights activists would go crazy and it would be an open flouting of the constitution!
you do realise that the highest guardian of the Indian Constitution the SC upheld this law ?? what is a 1 or 2% more
u have no idea how much i wanna get there
want != goal
... you can always pretend to be a person from "forward" caste if you needed so badly to get inside.
ROFL.. this is what I referred in my point no.4
Has anyone heard news like: Infosys sacks 50 Dalits!!???!! NO! Has anyone heard news that some XYZ public sector company employees molest and manhandle a dalit co-worker?? YES!!!
So what is the conclusion? The Govt. is making the so-called backward classes vulnerable to abuse by identifying them as "backward class"!
what do you mean.. this happens everywhere.. a lot of BPO cases these days.. go figure.. what this has got to do with the reservation policy ???
I really don't understand one thing.. the Govt. is openly calling the so-called backward classes incapable of doing anything unless reservations are provided!! (wtf is a backward class??!!! we all are equal.. we are human beings..)
this is your personal opinion. as I had said in point 3 you are unaware of the original aims of the reservation philosophy.. and its not my work to educate you...
and I dunno whether you can get a balanced view if you looked up on wikipedia or googled it
yes we are all human beings but that was realised very late... and still not realised in majority of India
I wonder who would liked to be called as a backward class.. isn't it a blot on his/her face to be called as someone backward? The Govt. is publically insulting them by calling backward!
its not a blot on someone's face to be in the backward community... the govt is not insulting them.. but your are just making it appear so because you think backward class people are inferior. you call a cobbler a cobbler as simple as that if you feel being a cobbler is a shame then you are the one who is to be shameful. govt should actually provide opportunities to those backward people but they are playing a diff game thats a diff story altogether... you just need to clear up a lot of misconceptions in your mind.
I stand by my statement that if a person is not fit for a course/job, no reservation is gonna uplift him or her. That person should be shown the door, be it from the so-called "upper caste" or from "lower caste"!
This is a logical argument. In an ideal situation the statement holds good and in private sector you dont have much problem... but when it comes to reality and in public sector there are a ton of things like caste politics in work.. theres a whole book about itself... sorry but thats outta my scope..
May be our generation will stand true to what you have said.
But what to do... As already it has been pointed out by other members, we armchair executives do a good job of ranting fed well by the sensationalist media while all the time closely taking care of stuff that only affects us and people around us directly, not giving a damn to other serious social issues.
I dont have any personal tussle with anyone in the above mentioned quotes.. its not their fault. the society is to be blamed for the misconceptions.
As any Indian who wants good for his country, I also wish the situation changes. But it will not happen on its own.. and I dont have guts to take it in my hands so obviously I would just be cursing the system and grudgingly moving along.
we cant do much by arguing...
Be the change you want to see in the world. or else just get on with it.
p.s. now legolas and slugger dont show me that comic
k?
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. Rather than reducing it over time . Politicians used it as leverage for their political campaigns and they have been increasing it over time rather than reducing it. The part who does reduce it to lower percentages would most likely be booted from the next election with a landslide loss.
