Linux leaders plot counterattack on Microsoft

[gxsaurav]

who the $hit is bothered about future... and who told u linux is future.... its present.

lolz....thanx for the joke of the evening. Me & even you know where Linux stands today compared to Windows. You just have a feel good factor for Linux right now.

I m saying it again Linux users, stop whining & start collaborating. You cannot beat the beast in Desktop usage with the current development speed in even 15 years. There are so many things Linux can give Windows & so many things Windows can give Linux.

Microsoft made the deal, cos it is a software company & Linux is just another OS on which they can sale & provide there softwares like Windows Media Server or Office 2007 or .net 3.0

 

[praka123]

Collaborate?While standing at a belief on Open Source Ideology and embracing a OS which is definitely against the principles?
My bet is u can get Windows "compatibility" with MAC OS,may be few proprietory UNIXe's,but NOT GNU/Linux and GPLed Softwares?care to know why? GNU/Linux is not just another company which can be "collaborated" OR later to BUy it off.It is a movement by people who believe in ethics unlike a monopoly which is always wanting to Kill this movement.I have posted its history in this thread itself.
Being a fanboy is NOT a reason to lecture about how Linux can be "windows compatible".
We need changes;we need options for OS market-more than Windows and microsoft and MACOS X or Linux.welcome the change be it proprietory or FOSS.
But How can a monopoly digest that?and it's supporters(i mean hard-core fanboy's that is!) too.
The Word's Patent warfare against rival companies or OS's ,FUD,SCOing are now famous i think.
So personally i felt first thing to do is US goverment shud liquidate this company for looting the world for the past 15+ years and for a weak product been selled as "superior".
US/World gov shud ask other companies and individuals to come forward and innovate.why shud we stop at Linux-go on..make better OS's and softwares by people allover the world.
Microsoft cant be believed at any cost.M$ if possible,will try to kill even apple inc. too.so know the devil from its color atleast now it is su*king us for past 15 years!.

 

[vish786]

lolz....thanx for the joke of the evening. Me & even you know where Linux stands today compared to Windows. You just have a feel good factor for Linux right now.

lol... who has the feel good factor... me for linux or u for windows ?

I m saying it again Linux users, stop whining & start collaborating.

are u bill gates, since i see u telling to collaborate.

You cannot beat the beast in Desktop usage with the current development speed in even 15 years. There are so many things Linux can give Windows & so many things Windows can give Linux.

Microsoft made the deal, cos it is a software company & Linux is just another OS on which they can sale & provide there softwares like Windows Media Server or Office 2007 or .net 3.0

and linux does not require softwares which u mentioned. it already has alternatives.

its useless to argue on such topics coz their is no end to it.

secondly why should we argue and waste time, is bill gates paying u or is Linus paying me?? then why make it free publicity, let those people fight. and take things which is beneficial to us. So stop the useless arguements.

Let people use what they want to use, does not matter whether its windows or Linux. And never force anybody to use Mac or windows or linux. whichever they feel is good for them and profitable they can use it.

 

[krrrish]

^^^ at least smeone had this thought !

 

[gxsaurav]

@ Prakash

I don't want to turn this in a Linux vs Windows thread. But you need to learn what is business & how it is done

Collaborate?While standing at a belief on Open Source Ideology and embracing a OS which is definitely against the principles?
My bet is u can get Windows "compatibility" with MAC OS,may be few proprietory UNIXe's,but NOT GNU/Linux and GPLed Softwares?care to know why? GNU/Linux is not just another company which can be "collaborated" OR later to BUy it off.

Who is collaborating with Linux? Microsoft is collaborating with those companies which makes Linux Distributions because this is just another market for Microsoft where they can provide there product.

It is a movement by people who believe in ethics unlike a monopoly which is always wanting to Kill this movement.I have posted its history in this thread itself.

First, get one thing straight in your mind. Every business means this thing. To eliminate the competition & prevail.

Suppose we only have Linux OS in the market, & many small & big companies make distros. Now, if this is the case, then obviously the big companies like Novell & Rad Hat will try to eliminate the small companies like Linspire & XenderOS cos that would lead to better profit for Novell & Rad hat.

The only reason they don't buy them right now, cos they have to fight MS in the desktop space, & if a small company is doing some R&D like Colonical for GNOME, then Novell can simply use the enhancement made by Colonical in SuSe for free without paying any licensing cost to Colonical. So its better to leave Colonical where it is right now & let them do research & developement at there own expance which later on Novell can use in Suse.

I will make it simple for you, cos you don't seem to know anything about how business is done.

Suppose you open a burger shop at a place where there are already many burger shops. Now, obviously you won't make much profit margin cos you just like any other shop, are selling burgers. However if your burgers are big (read : better) or if most of the other burger shops close down, your profit margin will increase. This is same as killing the competition to make more money.

Being a fanboy is NOT a reason to lecture about how Linux can be "windows compatible".

Read above on how business is done.

But How can a monopoly digest that?and it's supporters(i mean hard-core fanboy's that is!) too.

Dude, those ethics etc sounds nice on paper, but are irrelevant in real life & business. If we assume that then Novell should not charge for SuSe too, & if they do they are bad, right?

So personally i felt first thing to do is US goverment shud liquidate this company for looting the world for the past 15+ years and for a weak product been selled as "superior".

and give up one of the biggest tax paying machine in USA, you must be joking right. Don't you think it is Windows & Microsoft which made computing so much cheaper & widely accepted today? When MS released Windows 98, Linux was infant. When MS released Windows 95 with GUI, Linux was at CLI. The users saw that Windows is better for there use, so they started using it.

US/World gov shud ask other companies and individuals to come forward and innovate.why shud we stop at Linux-go on..make better OS's and softwares by people allover the world.

They are not stopping anyone. You wanna make a product then make it. If the consumer finds it easy for them then sure they will switch to it. Not everyone is geek like us. There are many people who don't want to wait for a codec pack to download from the multiverse in ubuntu, they just wanna play the mp3 they have. Simple.

Microsoft cant be believed at any cost.M$ if possible,will try to kill even apple inc. too.so know the devil from its color atleast now it is su*king us for past 15 years!.

One simple line : Stop whining & start working together.

and linux does not require softwares which u mentioned. it already has alternatives.

Lolz alternatives like

Openoffice : Provides 40% features & ease of use compared to MS office
Pidgin : Provides text only chat compared to Trilian or Yahoo Messenger or WL messenger in Windows
Totem, rythembox, XINE : non standerd & non-unified media playback engine which won't play everything & doesn't even support hardware acceleration of audio & video

Ya right, Linux has infant alternatives which still need quite some time to develop.

 

[zyberboy]

Don't you think it is Windows & Microsoft which made computing so much cheaper & widely accepted today? When MS released Windows 98, Linux was infant. When MS released Windows 95 with GUI, Linux was at CLI. The users saw that Windows is better for there use, so they started using it..

Rightly said no one can ignore the fact...windows made a research box of 80's to a common mans companion....and the reason for mass acceptance among general people.

 

[Sykora]

Don't you think it is Windows & Microsoft which made computing so much cheaper & widely accepted today? When MS released Windows 98, Linux was infant. When MS released Windows 95 with GUI, Linux was at CLI.

Are you equating mass acceptance with superiority?

 

[eddie]

1) NTFS read & write support, more native compared to NTFS 3G, you do know that NTFS 3G is still lacking in few areas

2) DirectShow Video Engine

3) Windows Media Technology

4) DirectX

5) Windows Sideshow engine, so that even Linux can use the Sideshow devices found in laptops

6) Exchange server

7) Ability to sync Windows Mobile PDA's with Linux, better then what it does right now.

8) Windows Live Messenger & other Windows Live services like Live Folders etc right from Linux itself.

1) Why don't you educate us? Why don't you tell us what kind of features Linux needs to implement in NTFS-3G to make the current implementation better? Don't come out and talk rubbish like quota and encryption or I will laugh in your face.

2) Technology is not POSIX compliant. Can not work in Linux. We already have good enough back ends for encoding/decoding Videos.

3) Why should Linux distros even care?

4) Read point 2 regarding POSIX

5) LOL! Even the inventor of the technology, Windows Vista, is not finding enough devices for Sideshow...why should Linux even bother? OSS community has better things to do right now.

6) Evolution is exchange server compliant. In any case, considering the miserable server presence of Microsoft, any compatibility between Linux and Exchange Server will help only Microsoft...not the other way around.

7) Helps Windows Mobile Edition. Not the other way around.

8) Google SoC projects are working on it WITHOUT any help from Microsoft.

Lots more thing, Windows is just full of technologies.

Microsoft doesn't even want to support popular file systems like ext3 & Reiserfs and you come in here lecturing us about collaboration and technologies? Gawwd!!!

Openoffice : Provides 40% features & ease of use compared to MS office

Is free...doesn't cost an arm and a leg. Suitable for 80% of home users.

Pidgin : Provides text only chat compared to Trilian or Yahoo Messenger or WL messenger in Windows

OpenWengo...Gizmo...Ekiga ring a bell to you?

Totem, rythembox, XINE : non standerd & non-unified media playback engine which won't play everything & doesn't even support hardware acceleration of audio & video

Go back in your cave and stay there.

Ya right, Linux has infant alternatives which still need quite some time to develop.

Talks the troll who knows bull about Linux alternatives.

 

[vish786]

@eddie

and look at points with which he's argueing... which are almost irrelevant and makes no sense to make ubuntu compatible with windows... all are just rubbish.

 

[amitava82]

Well thats what fanboys do.. "Talk Rubbish"

 

[gxsaurav]

@ eddie.

1) Why don't you educate us? Why don't you tell us what kind of features Linux needs to implement in NTFS-3G to make the current implementation better? Don't come out and talk rubbish like quota and encryption or I will laugh in your face.

You say MS should support EXT3 etc, well...then shouldn't Linux also suppor NTFS?

2) Technology is not POSIX compliant. Can not work in Linux. We already have good enough back ends for encoding/decoding Videos.

Does it matters? It works compared to XINE & Gstreamer.

3) Why should Linux distros even care?

Cos Windows Media Player with DirectShow engine is much better then anything Linux has to offer. VLC is good but not even bundled. And this "why should we care" attitude has to go.

5) LOL! Even the inventor of the technology, Windows Vista, is not finding enough devices for Sideshow...why should Linux even bother? OSS community has better things to do right now.

Asus, MSI, Quanta they are all coming with SideShow laptops, even Remote manufacturers are coming with Sideshow remote controls.

6) Evolution is exchange server compliant. In any case, considering the miserable server presence of Microsoft, any compatibility between Linux and Exchange Server will help only Microsoft...not the other way around.

Again, you really don't know how business is done. If MS releases Exchange server for Linux then companies can simply use this & save on Windows based nodes. The client can run free Linux OS & still retain Exchange server capability. As far as I know, Evolution is a Mail client not a mail server.

7) Helps Windows Mobile Edition. Not the other way around.

Read above, the user can use free Linux & still use his Windows Mobile device.

Go back in your cave and stay there.

Reply to my question properly, tell me if XINE & Gstreamer support hardware decoding & acceleration with full features like Inverse telecine etc or not.

 

[amitava82]

1. We already have NTFS support for Linux.. remember ntfs-3g? Now its your turn...

2. Gstreamer can provide hardware acceleration via OpenMAX

3. How long it takes to install vlc? 3-4 clicks may be? Less than what windows takes.

4. Why do even we have to care about MS exchange server? We already have open source alternatives. One of them is Open-Xchange

5. Let your slideshow products become mainstream product. By that time Linux will have support for it.

6. There are plenty of synchronization applications for linux such as Mulisync, OpenSync, and SyncE. Evolutions does a good job for calenders, todo etc..

 

[eddie]

You say MS should support EXT3 etc, well...then shouldn't Linux also suppor NTFS?

No. *YOU* said that Linux should have more NTFS features and I just said that the competition doesn't have even minuscule support for *NIX file systems. Why should Linux bother with more features for NTFS? First ask Microsoft (or any other Windows developer for that matter) to provide safe Read/Write operations for ext3/ReiserFS/JFS/XFS and then we will think more about NTFS.

It works compared to XINE & Gstreamer.

Xine, Gstreamer, mplayer and VLC work daily for hundreds of thousands of Linux users around the world. If it would not have worked...why do you think people want to stick to them? Do you think Linux users don't see any videos on their systems?

Cos Windows Media Player with DirectShow engine is much better then anything Linux has to offer.

When I'll have a mood of listening to jokes...I'll give heed to your comments.

Asus, MSI, Quanta they are all coming with SideShow laptops, even Remote manufacturers are coming with Sideshow remote controls.

Then the manufacturers should provide drivers. The onus of providing drivers should be on Manufacturers...not on the OS developer.

Again, you really don't know how business is done.

Yes and till now you have proven yourself to be just better than Donald Trump. Isn't it?

If MS releases Exchange server for Linux then companies can simply use this & save on Windows based nodes. The client can run free Linux OS & still retain Exchange server capability. As far as I know, Evolution is a Mail client not a mail server.

This is your high quality business sense? Even if Microsoft releases Exchange Server for Linux...will they give it out for free? No! They will still charge for it and will charge the same amount as they do on Windows. Result? It will just help Microsoft to reach more markets while not helping Linux at all!!! Business sense...get real!

Read above, the user can use free Linux & still use his Windows Mobile device.

Thus helping Windows Mobile Edition...not the other way around.

Reply to my question properly, tell me if XINE & Gstreamer support hardware decoding & acceleration with full features like Inverse telecine etc or not.

Linux handles Video acceleration by splitting it between video driver and the video backend. In Linux, driver which is the core of video decoding handles full "hardware acceleration" and just FYI...mplayer, a *NIX only player, is the FIRST PLAYER in this whole wide world to support a inverse telecine filter. So before throwing big names randomly in a thread...at least see what the technology does and who brought it to use first.

I have four choices for you now to select.
a) You know nothing about alternate OS and its technologies but like to troll & lie.
b) You know nothing about alternate OS and its technologies but like to troll & lie.
c) You know nothing about alternate OS and its technologies but like to troll & lie.
d) Of course you know nothing about alternate OS and its technologies but like to troll & lie.

Pick your option...

 

[Zeeshan Quireshi]

lol... who has the feel good factor... me for linux or u for windows ?

the feel good factor that new Linux users have when they install or use linux for the first time .

and look at points with which he's argueing... which are almost irrelevant and makes no sense to make ubuntu compatible with windows... all are just rubbish.

when someone tried to collaborate with u , u decline their offer .

DirectX is one microsoft technology that is definitely superior to any other library out their , OpenGL doesn't stand anywhere near it .

Also DirectX is not just for 3D programming as u might think .

DirectX is made up of these major components :

• DirectDraw: for drawing 2D Graphics
• Direct3D (D3D): for drawing 3D graphics
• DirectInput: for interfacing with keyboards, mice, joysticks, or other game controllers
• DirectSound: for the playback and recording of waveform sound
• DirectSound3D (DS3D): for the playback of 3D sounds.

and the best thing is that all these components are interoperable and come in a single package , thus allowing for better performance and reliability .

1. We already have NTFS support for Linux.. remember ntfs-3g? Now its your turn...

2. Gstreamer can provide hardware acceleration via OpenMAX

3. How long it takes to install vlc? 3-4 clicks may be? Less than what windows takes.

4. Why do even we have to care about MS exchange server? We already have open source alternatives. One of them is Open-Xchange

5. Let your slideshow products become mainstream product. By that time Linux will have support for it.

6. There are plenty of synchronization applications for linux such as Mulisync, OpenSync, and SyncE. Evolutions does a good job for calenders, todo etc..

well , if u start making alternatives for each and every technology out there because u don't like the way it works then there'l be no industry standard and the situation will be like the state a linux desktop is today . some app uses Library A for doing one thing , the other app uses Library B for doing the same thing .....

Thus helping Windows Mobile Edition...not the other way around.

u only said that the Intentions of GNU/Linux developers were noble . so if ur product helps any other product is it wrong ?

u mean to say that Linux shouldn't support Windows Mobile devices just because they are manufactured by Microsoft . they are the same as say , any nokia or Sony phone out there , y not support them too ? or are ur thoughts too envious .

 

[mediator]

When MS released Windows 95 with GUI, Linux was at CLI. The users saw that Windows is better for there use, so they started using it.

And now when Beryl has been released which uses much less resources than AERO, windows fanboys r saying this is not needed? I wonder why they were hyping so much about the WOW and the aero effect and now changing colors like a chameleon?

Not everyone is geek like us.

Finally u said "us" and matured from an average joe to a "common sensed" geek?

Openoffice : Provides 40% features & ease of use compared to MS office

Here a thread in which I asked "all" the window fanboys to quote the differences, but I wonder why "all" of em were rendered speechless!! And now ur back to FUDS!

Pidgin : Provides text only chat compared to Trilian or Yahoo Messenger or WL messenger in Windows

There's something called "gyach". Research on it first. It gives comparable features!

And since u again started making comparisons, then why do u refrain from kernel comparisons i.e the base? Like the thread starter said " You can judge the winner"!!

VLC is good but not even bundled.

MS-Office "may" be better, but it is not even bundled, nor is photoshop or yahoo messenger or the "drivers" etc etc!! Do u even buy all these things or u go against ur companies advocations?

the feel good factor that new Linux users have when they install or use linux for the first time

And the feel good factor MS-win-fanboys have is by spreading FUDs. They feel like that they impressed their boss!

So I again request to stop spreading FUDS!!

Neways I wanted to ask if WMP can play media ISO files "directly"?

 

[vish786]

the feel good factor that new Linux users have when they install or use linux for the first time .

i'm using knoppix (2000),red hat(2000) & fedora from long back dude. This is not by first hand on linux. and i know pretty well from when i'm using linux. but yes i am using ubuntu and some other new distros from recently, i dont have to produce some proof for that.

and if ur guessing my experience according to my post counts then thats pretty lame.

when someone tried to collaborate with u , u decline their offer .

read the article what praka123 has posted, it was windows who tried to kick linux a$$ in the beginning, and didnt care much about linux as they knew linux was not a threat for them at that time... but when linux started developing, they knew this will be problematic if linux spreads to greater extent so now they are collaborating why didnt they think of collaborating before.

and the deal which bill gates(microsoft) wanted to make was a way of bringing linux under their control.

Offtopic: u remember when i asked u something in yahoo messenger and u ran off all of sudden... but still i private messaged you many times and u never replied to it. What is that suppose to mean ??

and why the hell am i wasting my time in this dumb discussion, i told earlier i'm staying out of it as it fetches nothing. that is why mehulved and other good linux users are not interfering in this.

 

[eddie]

u only said that the Intentions of GNU/Linux developers were noble . so if ur product helps any other product is it wrong ?

u mean to say that Linux shouldn't support Windows Mobile devices just because they are manufactured by Microsoft . they are the same as say , any nokia or Sony phone out there , y not support them too ? or are ur thoughts too envious .

Having noble intentions doesn't mean being stupid. GNU/Linux developers and community can differentiate between a Grinch and a Santa Claus when they see one. No matter if the former comes wearing latter's clothes.

If Microsoft wants to grow with help from Linux then they should ask humbly and politely while creating a helpful environment. Alleging that Linux violates their patents and then claiming that they want to "collaborate" is not going to work. This is not known as being envious...this is known as being sensible. Clearly you have animosity towards any kind of common sense.

 

[Zeeshan Quireshi]

Offtopic: u remember when i asked u something in yahoo messenger and u ran off all of sudden... but still i private messaged you many times and u never replied to it. What is that suppose to mean ??

First things first . Well mostly my mother doesn't allow me to use the computer and i have to do it err.......... secretly(somewhat) and sometimes she finds out and i have to immediately shut down or else risk my system being taken apart

Yups , u can confirm this from GX , my LCD monitor is taken away like every two weeks and then returned after a day or two after i've coaxed my mother into it

And , i seriously do not remember what ur problem was , coz i've been having my exams in march and today too i've just had an exam , so u see studies pressure is very high for me(XII after all) and i sometimes loose track of my online activities .

Having noble intentions doesn't mean being stupid.

Now i'm not gonna go into a debate Eddie , but i simply want to say just support windows mobile devices , it's only the consumers who will be benefit from it(who r very important) and just as Novell and MS are collaborating if they work with Ubuntu too then i think thatll be great .

 

[amitava82]

I don't understand this. Why this is always linux community's responsibility to support a device (make driver)? You always want us to support, develop driver for every little device out there without any help from the device's manufacturer. This is ridiculous..!! You don't want to share information about the device but want us to support it and we took you wish for grunted. Open source developers are working hard to support every device without any help from manufacturer. Don't you think its Microsoft's responsibility to support their little device and come up with linux version of their Active Sync or whatever is needed to work with Linux? After all this is their product and their consumers. When you buy iPod, do you expect Microsoft to make iTune for it?

 

[eddie]

Now i'm not gonna go into a debate Eddie , but i simply want to say just support windows mobile devices , it's only the consumers who will be benefit from it(who r very important)

Linux distros and developers are doing everything they can to provide the best user experience to their users. If you want something more...the code is open...submit patches and become a hero.

and just as Novell and MS are collaborating if they work with Ubuntu too then i think thatll be great .

Collaborations are done with parties having genuine interests; Not with extortionists who would keep a gun to your head and say..."Either collaborate or we shoot".