chimera201
Wise Old Owl
Sorry to interrupt the MMR discussion but can u guys tell how much you spent on Dota 2 and your MMR?
sygeek
Technomancer
I don't believe you understand. You might be 4k pro player in team MMR, but you are a 3.3k mmr scrub. It's 0 luck, you're just bad. Try to accept it and only then you can improve yourself. I meet countless players like you in pubs who blame 24/7 and decrease the morale of the game.
In reality, any 4.5k player can easily smurf through 3k to 4k with 80% WR. If you were actually 4k you'd be at most +-200 range of your true mmr.
TL;DR Welcome to dota2, you suck.
P.S. If you don't mind, share your dotabuff.
Mizanurification
Journeyman
My ranked logs:
Me: I'll play Safe Lane hard carry"
Fourth pick: Scrub picks PA.
Me: DUDE! Picks WD to support Scrub.
15 min: PA dc. Abandons.
Me: @#@#@@5@54
GG EZ.
Me: I'll play Safe Lane hard carry"
Fourth pick: Scrub picks PA.
Me: DUDE! Picks WD to support Scrub.
15 min: PA dc. Abandons.
Me: @#@#@@5@54
GG EZ.
chimera201
Wise Old Owl
I think people are not using the right words to complain about solo MMR. Most of us play the game for fun and one can have fun if you are matched with equally skilled players. When one sees someone in his team playing like a noob he feels that his MMR should be higher so that he gets better players in his team. The point is not about getting a higher MMR but to get better players. Don't care whether my true MMR is 0 or even negative but I want my teammates to be at my skill level to actually have fun. Like see this video:
How am I getting matched with this void when I have more than 2K+ hours on Dota 2? I was laning with him. Sadly I won the match.
How am I getting matched with this void when I have more than 2K+ hours on Dota 2? I was laning with him. Sadly I won the match.
sygeek
Technomancer
If it was a party game, it's usually not balanced properly. In solo however, mmr is just a representation of your overall skill. Maybe someone sucks at carry and makes up with good support (or vice versa). Or maybe they have poor mechanics and make it up by good decision making. I can give many more examples. There are too many variables to account for. So while you maybe better than him at something, he maybe better at something else. Moreover you also have to account the mental and emotional state of the player. Maybe he's sleepy, maybe he's playing after a long time or maybe he's on a tilt (this happens quite often and to the best players). Everyone has disastrous games where nothing goes right. No one wants to lose purposefully.
Although I have one explanation I have for your situation, which is very unlikely but will satisfy you, i.e. he's playing on a boosted account. But this only happens in 4.5k - 6k range.
My point is while matchmaking may not be perfect, it's pretty damn good as is. Moreover, in order to improve, you've to focus on your own gameplay. You cannot change your teammates, only guide them (and then get replied back, "f*ck u nub"). Also, if you're playing this game for fun, then play with friends, otherwise you're playing the wrong game. I'm not even kidding.
chimera201
Wise Old Owl
It was pretty obvious he was a new player. He didn't have much knowledge about the game. Void was trying to kill Silencer and Treant was healing Silencer. He asked 'does silencer have evasion?'. I wouldn't have done that illusion chrono even if i was sleepy or bored or even trying to troll.
sygeek
Technomancer
was he in party with someone else?
chimera201
Wise Old Owl
Nope.
sygeek
Technomancer
probably unbalanced matchmaking due to some constraint. You most likely had a higher mmr player to balance the noob. I've never had this happen in mmr matches, highest difference between players is at most 100mmr.
Mizanurification
Journeyman
RANKED logs:
PA HP 40%. Enemy ganks. PA dead.
Me: Tree dude heal PA.
Treant: I'm not near him. how heal? **** u.
Me: kills a kitten.
Also check out AM's (who insisted on last picking AM to **** jugs lane) skill levelling in this match.
Match 1892019864 - Overview - DOTABUFF - Dota 2 Stats
If u think SOME people don't wanna lose intentionally, u haven't played enough doto.
PA HP 40%. Enemy ganks. PA dead.
Me: Tree dude heal PA.
Treant: I'm not near him. how heal? **** u.
Me: kills a kitten.
Also check out AM's (who insisted on last picking AM to **** jugs lane) skill levelling in this match.
Match 1892019864 - Overview - DOTABUFF - Dota 2 Stats
If u think SOME people don't wanna lose intentionally, u haven't played enough doto.
mikael_schiffer
Padawan
LMFAO!! DOTA2 is a team game. U are one of the 10 contributors to the outcome of the game. Even if you are Suma1l or Dendi or whatever, you are just the 10% outcome contributor. A team based game relies heavily on the performance NOT JUST YOU, but of 9 other players too.... This is no CoD or BF4 where 1 guy alone can turn the game
Seriously, why am i even discussing this logic thing with you. Even if Jesus or Allah or Shiva came down on Earth to clear your brains out they will fail.
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I have seen so many Drow Rangers who never skill their 1st skill (maybe they are from 2010 Dota 1 days where life steal and frost arrow didnt stack) Stupid dumb builds are so commonplace.
Check youtube full of gameplays (with replay links) where ppl intentionally lose , and in some videos, a teammate tries really hard to make the team lose but opponent was so dumb af that the troller couldnt suceed. Lol
Speaking of people who seem to want to lose intentionally..... i had a Ember Spirit in my team just last night. He never used his ulti... So mid game our opponent All Chatted : " Why You no ulti ember" and the ember dude replied "noob teammates no ward"
There was a silence after that. I guess all 9 players were like "dafck is he talking about?"
Game dragged on for nearly 40min and he STILL hadnt used his ulti even once. I mean, he could have at least cast it somewhere to see what that skill does.. but he never did it. This was 3300K Solo MMR range. Yes its considered newbie range but still....thats just outrageous
After few all chats (since the game was totally one sided by now and no one was really into the game) it was apparent that Ember thought that we need vision of the area to send our revenent. So he was blaming us for not warding the spot for him to cast ulti..i mean thats what we could figure out from his english/pinoy chat messages...
This is also the reason why i dont want TBD (To Be Disclosed as in less than 8 Rank games) players to start at 3k mmr. Most TBD players are new to Dota2, with 2-3 weeks play experience ,and playing 5-6 heroes (that looks cool).... They should start at 1K mmr... A lot of people get stuck in 3k because they keep getting players who still dont understand the game mechanics, hero skills, strategies etc.
arijitsinha
﴾͡๏̯͡๏﴿ O'RLY?
Anychance you are originated from Philipine?? You sound a lot like them.
BTW frost arrow and lifesteal doesnot stack in dota 2.
And high MMR player will single handedly win matches. There are some paid services like MMR boosting, where high MMR player plays in low MMR accounts and win single handedly.
Here is a proof - FYGPSE - Overview - DOTABUFF - Dota 2 Stats
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chimera201
Wise Old Owl
In this [normal] match I literally did nothing and still won. What kind of matchmaking is this?
Match 1894531007 - Overview - DOTABUFF - Dota 2 Stats
I think this is a good idea. Every player should be calibrated at 0 MMR and start their way up like currently happening. If the player is good he will rise. This will keep away new players from getting matched with an experienced player.
Other 2 things i can think of is the player should have an option of choosing longer queue times. I prefer waiting 15 mins rather than have a boring 45min match. Also ALT+TAB works flawlessly for Dota 2 so that's a plus.
And every player should have a separate MMR for each server. Because people can exploit the low population servers.
Match 1894531007 - Overview - DOTABUFF - Dota 2 Stats
I think this is a good idea. Every player should be calibrated at 0 MMR and start their way up like currently happening. If the player is good he will rise. This will keep away new players from getting matched with an experienced player.
Other 2 things i can think of is the player should have an option of choosing longer queue times. I prefer waiting 15 mins rather than have a boring 45min match. Also ALT+TAB works flawlessly for Dota 2 so that's a plus.
And every player should have a separate MMR for each server. Because people can exploit the low population servers.
sygeek
Technomancer
I'm gonna need a 3000-3500 account - DotA Forums
Climbing The Ladder - Part 1
My Smurf Journey: Elo Hell!
Few examples of high mmr players smurfing through 3k to 5k+ with 80%-90% winrate. Moreover, like arjitsinha said, there are tonnes of mmr boosting services for this very purpose.
I already lost faith in them after talking to you.
Rohan Rathi
Mega Noob
OH MY GOD. 5k is a LOT of MMR. Anyone at that MMR is obviously a semi pro. The real thing is can a 3k person smurf through 2k. It isnt that easy man.
sygeek
Technomancer
yes he can..
chimera201
Wise Old Owl
You ain't seen anything yet. Wait till you hear my theory
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Rohan Rathi
Mega Noob
Played against a probable booster today. No way in hell a 2k mmr person so damn good.
While in laning phase only I realised that this person is a pro. Sad man.
This person played as tinker mid vs me as windranger.
Matchid: 1898613932
While in laning phase only I realised that this person is a pro. Sad man.
This person played as tinker mid vs me as windranger.
Matchid: 1898613932
Bhargav Simha
!mp@sse
3334 hours 2823mmr