Camera talk...
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izzikio_rage
Technomancer
But MLICs are fast catching up, the may soon be a time when the bulk of an SLR will be only for a limited audience
sujoyp
Grand Master
kaz first decide you are talking about mirrorless cameras as a whole or m4/3 and nikon 1 series .....coz panasonic G series , sony SLT are not small enough to neglect DSLR
people say OVF is still much faster and better in DSLRs ...EVF on cheaper DSLR like SLT 57 58 are just usable...and SLT may weight equal to any DSLR in bulk
now comming to nikon 1 series and nex type small ones ....1st they have very less thirdparty lens support..2nd there grip is soo poor that you will never able to use it for birding..3rd you can never track a bird looking at back screen....the position itself become awekward ....4. viewfinder you may buy saperately, but then attching the external viewfinder and big lens will again make the combo big and bulky. ....its really useful in tourist places and day to day photography
Fuji has the best of both world with viewinder good grip and small size...but it cost a lot and have very limited and costly lenses
people say OVF is still much faster and better in DSLRs ...EVF on cheaper DSLR like SLT 57 58 are just usable...and SLT may weight equal to any DSLR in bulk
now comming to nikon 1 series and nex type small ones ....1st they have very less thirdparty lens support..2nd there grip is soo poor that you will never able to use it for birding..3rd you can never track a bird looking at back screen....the position itself become awekward ....4. viewfinder you may buy saperately, but then attching the external viewfinder and big lens will again make the combo big and bulky. ....its really useful in tourist places and day to day photography
Fuji has the best of both world with viewinder good grip and small size...but it cost a lot and have very limited and costly lenses
izzikio_rage
Technomancer
Well my NEX6 (or the newer a6000) or even the new A7 or A7r (the full frame mirrorless) have most of these features. Third party lenses aren't all that many, but they are fast catching up, till then you always have the option of fitting lenses using adapters. Grip may be poor in some of the smaller cameras like the NEX5 or NEX3, but for the NEX6 or the A7 the grip is pretty good. Tracking a bird may be a problem using the screen or EVF specially low light conditions. The viewfinder is built in in these cameras and fits well into the small form factor. A big lens will make the cam bulky but will that really be helped by having a super heavy camera too, isn't it better to keep as many things as possible light and compact.
On the IQ front the image quality is already at par with most DSLRs (or better than most NEX6 vs 650D), the phase detection focus lags behind a bit due to the mechanism that is used, but the difference is noticeable only in very specific situations. so it might just be a good option to consider
On the IQ front the image quality is already at par with most DSLRs (or better than most NEX6 vs 650D), the phase detection focus lags behind a bit due to the mechanism that is used, but the difference is noticeable only in very specific situations. so it might just be a good option to consider
pranav0091
I am not an Owl
Agree. I personally believe that MILC FF/APSCs are the next DSLRs*. OVF is all nice, but its only a matter of time before EVF catches up to fighting range. By the looks of it, the latest Olympus (forgot its name) has already got that part covered.
The iconic DSLR shape though, willl live on for much longer - there is somply no way you can put in a big lens and have a decent grip with smaller bodies, as Sujoy pointed out.
raja manuel
In the zone
Why low light conditions? One of the many advantages that the EVF has over OVF is the ability to brighten, which is why many photographers switch to live view in low light even though they have OVF.
As for the grip part, I am not convinced that will be as much a constraint as it is made out to be. I would imagine that lens designs and camera ergonomics will update (just as they did to accommodate DSLRs' large batteries) and you may see very different mounting and control structures. Imagine a future where your viewfinder is a pair of goggles that are fed sensor data wirelessly, like a HUD…
sujoyp
Grand Master
look technology is technology ..there is lot of things under development ...look at HTC one 2014 cam setup ...one lens for refocussing in the picture ...or look at lycra camera...now android can be used as remote trigger and viewfinder in canon and sony .....
but it does not help is supporting a 4 KG Nikon 500mm f4 ....and without a grip you cant imagine to even balance it properly...the small grip these small cameras are giving which is just unusable
I fully agree that for everything else except wildlife small cameras MILC is the future
but it does not help is supporting a 4 KG Nikon 500mm f4 ....and without a grip you cant imagine to even balance it properly...the small grip these small cameras are giving which is just unusable
I fully agree that for everything else except wildlife small cameras MILC is the future
izzikio_rage
Technomancer
[MENTION=133607]raja[/MENTION]: The glasses thing is very much possible (and awesome to think of), look at the sony QX100 its nothing more than a lens and sensor, everything else is taken care of by your phone. This is an awesome idea considering that we always have our phones and that such a design will reduce the cost and bulk of the camera
[MENTION=128954]sujoy[/MENTION]: I've been using the very small NEX6 for quite some time now, and have seen people use it with huge legacy lenses 600mm types with teleconvertors. Of course it's a very unbalanced option, but then these people tend to hold the mount on the lens and operate the focus from there, the second hand rests on the camera to operate that. So it's a drastic change, but is quite doable
The only problem with the EVF right now is that it tends to lag when used in low light (specially with magnification switched on) and it's a little noisy (still better than peering into a very dark OVF). But it allows you to see your settings, gives awesome stuff like focus peaking and magnified views and you have all your display on the EVF.
[MENTION=128954]sujoy[/MENTION]: I've been using the very small NEX6 for quite some time now, and have seen people use it with huge legacy lenses 600mm types with teleconvertors. Of course it's a very unbalanced option, but then these people tend to hold the mount on the lens and operate the focus from there, the second hand rests on the camera to operate that. So it's a drastic change, but is quite doable
The only problem with the EVF right now is that it tends to lag when used in low light (specially with magnification switched on) and it's a little noisy (still better than peering into a very dark OVF). But it allows you to see your settings, gives awesome stuff like focus peaking and magnified views and you have all your display on the EVF.
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nac
Aspiring Novelist
Amlan, Ultimate reason for using mobile camera is its compact form and we carry it every where we go. Carrying an extra unit as lens didn't make it any better than a compact camera. And I feel QX series is a failure.
BTB, Now we can tag people??? But the you have tagged someone else, they are not actually the "raja" and the "sujoy".
BTB, Now we can tag people??? But the you have tagged someone else, they are not actually the "raja" and the "sujoy".
raja manuel
In the zone
DSLR vs. mirrorless is like SLR vs. DSLR. It was a little more than 10 years ago that DSLRs were regarded as little more than toys due to the superiority of film – I can still remember film users mocking DSLRs for being so painfully slow. It didn't take very long for film to become obsolete, though, and the same could easily happen to the DSLR. Removing the mirror and the mechanical shutter are both rather obvious (and welcome) solutions, and I have to wonder how long the diaphragm will last.
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nac
Aspiring Novelist
The best price for 600d was little under 28k (kit lens combo) and little under 35k (double lens kit).
Note: The best price offer may not be available now.
izzikio_rage
Technomancer
how did that tag happen, I'm sure the guys tagged are even more surprised to be tagged here. [MENTION=133607]raja[/MENTION], was reading a few days back about the necessity of a mechanical shutter. It's more to do with the limitations of our electronics. As soon as we overcome that we can remove this slow, limited life part from the cam.
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nac
Aspiring Novelist
But here, the raja you tagged is not actually @Raja Manuel. The tagged raja would be thinking WTF I am mentioned here... (no offense)
@raja , was reading a few days back about the necessity of a mechanical shutter. It's more to do with the limitations of our electronics. As soon as we overcome that we can remove this slow, limited life part from the cam.
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But it seems like it's not as simple as tagging in facebook. Have to use "@" symbol before user id. And We tend to use short form,
@Raja Manuel becomes Raja,
@izzikio_rage becomes Amlan,
@sujoyp becomes Sujoy,
@srkmish > Srk (Shah Rukh???),
@pranav0091 > Pranav,
@The Incinerator > Inci,
@kjuvale > Kapil,
@toofan > Vimal,
@marvelousprashant > Prashant,
@nikku_hot123 > Nikku,
@anmolksharma > Anmol,
@anirbandd > Anirban,
@ajayashish > Ajay,
@abhidev > Abhi,
@Gen.Libeb > Gen,
@a_medico > Medico.
And sometimes it's not working...
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