Beryl on Linux Runs Cool Effects on Intel 915 - What has Microsoft Done to AERO?

[gxsaurav]

^^^ okay you maybe saying right but hey, please to give your sources when you are speaking all that........ we need more proof dude...

Search on google & be a regular at MSDN forum & technet web casts abou Vista's technologies, & u will know everything.

and you ever tried aero on fx 5200 128??

Yup, I was using it till recently on my GeForce FX 5900XT with 128 MB RAM & now 6600GT with 256 MB RAM

well to tell you the FLIP 3d which is the most notable and taxing part of Aero even stutters on a 6600 128 MB ... try it out , you will notice the lag......

I wonder why I don't face any lag in here...must be my God send PC...Sai-Yo

Yeah, I'm a certified nut, that's why my 915 chipset runs on 9.0c! WTF? Trying to prove yourself a nut?

Lolz...yup u r, go & read the documentation for Intel GMA 900 graphics chipset & whether it supports DirectX 9b or Direct 9c in hardware. It even lacks a hardware vertex shading unit dude.

So you are saying that Vista "enhances" GPU processing power?

Yup, with Vista & DirectX 10 u can use the GPU to do general purpose math calculation easily which is available in the form of nVidia CUDA technology & AMD Firestream GPUs.

Links please.. I have not seen the things you speak of, so i cannot comment.

Google plz, I m not prakash.

Why not! If it can run better effects than Vista'a Aero?!

Lolz....kalpik, plz..don't argue on this. DX 7 uses fixed function shaders while DX 8.1 & 9 uses programmable., if u learn anything about graphics then u will know that it is very easy for developers to make things in DX 9 then DX 7/8 cos now the GPU is compleately programmable.

Installing DirectX 9c runtime doesn't mean you GPU will be able to show DX 9c effects if it is incapable. GeForce FX for example is a DX 9b based graphics card which will not show DX 9c class effects & quality.

 

[iMav]

loosing

i got some pvt. msgs thats all i can say and loosing

1 u say that it uses next gen technology then u say i lost .... bhai pehle khud socha karo kya likhun kya kikha hai baadmein bola karo loosing

o something i didnt reply earlier ... vista on fx 5200 256 ... wrks like a charm

 

[Garbage]

Links please.. I have not seen the things you speak of, so i cannot comment.

Google plz, I m not prakash.

It's nice yaar... U say something, & if we want proof then say GOOGLE URSELF !!!
If we found something else, then say "na..naa... Not that one... Search again..."

WTH !!!

And please stop making useless comments !!!

 

[QwertyManiac]

gx_saurav - Google yourself PyGPU and SciPy. You're one ignorant ... sigh, I'll save it for your reply.

And how the hell can something 'enchance' a hardware? The computer can't take drugs and steroids like you do. It has its limits and intelligence, unlike you who has limited intelligence.

 

[kalpik]

Search on google & be a regular at MSDN forum & technet web casts abou Vista's technologies, & u will know everything.

So we all are here just for fight club? Nice reply.. Google it!

Yup, with Vista & DirectX 10 u can use the GPU to do general purpose math calculation easily which is available in the form of nVidia CUDA technology & AMD Firestream GPUs.

Please.. No software can "enhance" hardware..

Google plz, I m not prakash.

Dont have the time, nor the inclination.

Lolz....kalpik, plz..don't argue on this. DX 7 uses fixed function shaders while DX 8.1 & 9 uses programmable., if u learn anything about graphics then u will know that it is very easy for developers to make things in DX 9 then DX 7/8 cos now the GPU is compleately programmable.

Quite possible! But if you look at Beryl/Compiz, it seems OpenGL is far more capable than DX! Inspite of the fact that DX supports all this mumbo jumbo, still Beryl/Compiz outsmarts it in effects! (And AFAIK, DX is there for the eye candy, not to do math..). So please dont say look! DX can do math! Can OpenGL do it?

Installing DirectX 9c runtime doesn't mean you GPU will be able to show DX 9c effects if it is incapable. GeForce FX for example is a DX 9b based graphics card which will not show DX 9c class effects & quality.

Agreed!

P.S. I am STILL waiting for my links.. And i am not gonna google it..

 

[ray|raven]

Google It.!!

Thats what fanboys say when they say somethey totally extravagant or they have no idea what they are talking about.
They think u might not have the time or the inclination to do it and hence cant deny them.On the other hand if u do....u might not go through the hundred thousand results that google comes up with.
So they can jus say.....
Did u check the 991,165 th page...Haha u didnt and the answer's there.

Regards,
ray

 

[iMav]

can u prove him wrong with a link ... if he cant provide u a link for whatever reason and u r so freaking sure of what ur saying u provide a link and pwn him if not then .... well shut up

 

[kalpik]

^^ I am GOD.. Prove me wrong with a link.. Else shut up.

 

[iMav]

thats pretty simple i dont need a link for that .... Ubuntu is linux for humans .... God doesnt use linux which is for humans coz he aint human ... so if ur using ubuntu then u cant be God simple

 

[Zeeshan Quireshi]

@Kalpik , DX10 is definitely more powerful and easier to use than OpenGL and has better performance too . That's why we see that most PC game developers use DX to program their games .

Also , the greatest advantage is that by using DX you can make games for both the PC and Xbox 360(it runs a modified version of DX) with essentially the same codebase thereby reducing development time and cost.

Also , having a great product does not necessarily means that the software made using it will be great too , that depends on the programmer who uses the product . So if Aero does not run on low-end hardware then it is the choice of the programmer not the deficiency of DX

 

[ray|raven]

Also , the greatest advantage is that by using DX you can make games for both the PC and Xbox 360(it runs a modified version of DX) with essentially the same codebase thereby reducing development time and cost.

if the developers used OpenGL it would be easier to be ported to Windows,Linux,Mac OS and PS3
Now isnt that a greater advantage?

And for iMav the source : *en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenGL#Specification

Regards,
ray

 

[gxsaurav]

if the developers used OpenGL it would be easier to be ported to Windows,Linux,Mac OS and PS3
Now isnt that a greater advantage?

Add to it that the developer needs to optimize the OpenGL code for each & every platform too which he doesn't need to in case of using DirectX for Windows. DirectX is made for Windows like a native symbian app is made for Symbian OS. It runs faster because it is native

 

[ray|raven]

Dude,I Dont know where u get ur info or if u make it up.
From Wikipedia:

OpenGL was designed to be graphic output-only: it provides only rendering functions. The core API has no concept of windowing systems, audio, printing to the screen, keyboard/mouse or other input devices. While this seems restrictive at first, it allows the code that does the rendering to be completely independent of the operating system it is running on, allowing cross-platform development.

Which means no need of any optimization AFAIK.
Source:*en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenGL#Higher_level_functionality

Regards,
ray

 

[iMav]

^^ I am GOD.. Prove me wrong with a link.. Else shut up.

i accept ur god now do u agree everything gx said is true without a link pwnage dude ... think before typing

now that i accepted ur god without a link u have to agree with everything gx has ever said without asking for a link to prove

 

[Help~Is~Here]

Lolz...yup u r, go & read the documentation for Intel GMA 900 graphics chipset & whether it supports DirectX 9b or Direct 9c in hardware. It even lacks a hardware vertex shading unit dude.

Dude, I'm very well aware that 915 doesn't have harware vertex shader units but that doesn't imply that 915 doesn't support 9.0c. If one of the components that directx 9.0c supports is not supported by the hardware, it doesn't mean the entire thing is not supported.

I'll give you the example, on a PC running Vista, just becuase your PC is not capable of running one component of Vista which is Aero, it doesn't mean your PC doesn't support vista.

So, what I pointed out was your generalization of the fact that 915 doesn't support 9.0c at all. So, rather than being vague, if you had just told that it doens't support one component rather than the entire thing would have made more sense and that reply wouldn't have been necessary.

 

[iMav]

i was just going thru the thread and u seemed to be all laughing at gx wen he was talking abt 915 and dx 9 i saw 'c' in red and big font size and all sorts mockery .... are u guys back- tracking on ur statements

 

[bikdel]

@ imav.... im not a inboy, neither am i a MS fanboy like you dood...

im a PC fanboy on the whole...

and guys, hardware supporting 9.0b running 9.0c will be exactly similar to when it ran the older one...

actually complet support for 9.0b and partial support for 9.0c will mean the same...

but anyways its not exactly DX support what we should be actually talkin about...



its AERO vs BERYL...

 

[iMav]

dude no need to explain u cudv simply said 3 words - i am pwned

 

[vish786]

thats pretty simple i dont need a link for that .... Ubuntu is linux for humans .... God doesnt use linux which is for humans coz he aint human ... so if ur using ubuntu then u cant be God simple

This is how u argue... Linux is for humans... &... Windows is for God.... What crap is this imav, u would be kicked out in a companies GD before it ends.

 

[iMav]

This is how u argue... Linux is for humans... &... Windows is for God.... What crap is this imav, u would be kicked out in a companies GD before it ends.

yo dont talk abt GDs with me kiddo ... ur understanding baffles me ... did u even read what kalpik had said in the post abv GDs

read kalpik's post then look at his avatar and then read my post it just might make some sense to ur oh so great GD brain on which ur sitting GDs damn man i seriously miss arya & goobi someitmes their understanding of sarcasm and punns is better than these lin boys and a chit chat with them is more fun as a result