Basic Guide Purchase a New System

[coderunknown]

@ico, thanks for making this thread sticky again.

 

[Piyush]

so all this thing worked
thanks all of u guys
never thought it'll be done so fast

and how can we edit the first post?

 

[coderunknown]

give ico an article abt basic guide for pc. like what processor meant for what use or which card suites which resolution better. if you need i can make one tomorrow afternoon. & ico can edit the first post with the new content.

 

[skeletor]

That you guys have to decide.

Preferably, one guy can make a rough draft and post it here itself. Then others can suggest him changes. He could then make the changes in his draft post itself. Once everything is finalized, just tell me and I'll edit the first post.

 

[Piyush]

@sam
ok buddy
u do the article thing and post it here
then we all including you will discuss about it
and then ICO will do the final task

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one good idea
i was thinking it will be difficult for you to do all this stuff
so i was thinking that we could divide the work between all of us
like asingh,you,topgear,jassy,sourav,and anyone that u can count onto(hey that includes me too )

so what do you say?...

 

[Jaskanwar Singh]

is there any cpu-z like programme for ubuntu...?

 

[coderunknown]

yes it'll be a bit hard. let me try once. i'll just give a rough idea. other just implement ideas to it. the first post way too old.

will post the rough sketch here by tomorrow evening. but will need everyones help, as my grammar more pathetic than the desi PSUs.

 

[Tenida]

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[skeletor]

is there any cpu-z like programme for ubuntu...?

Try these commands in the terminal:

cat /proc/cpuinfo

cat /proc/meminfo

sudo lspci -v

sudo lsusb -v

sudo lshw -short

 

[topgear]

Thread stuck. Now someone please also draft a post to update the first post in this thread. The first post by Choto Cheeta is outdated.

Thanks for made it a sticky again.

YAAAYYYYYYY!!!!
Re-Stickification successful !!!
@ico
how about we let Comp@ddict edit the first post?
he is more knowledgeable about latest hardware prices than any of us!!
else we can source some info from tomshardware system building guide and present it in a more accessible and intelligible format!!

yep but where is com@ddict ?? ! the other thread started by him read "Latest Prices" was last updated on 17th july

@sam
ok buddy
u do the article thing and post it here
then we all including you will discuss about it
and then ICO will do the final task

---------- Post added at 09:34 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:29 PM ----------

one good idea
i was thinking it will be difficult for you to do all this stuff
so i was thinking that we could divide the work between all of us
like asingh,you,topgear,jassy,sourav,and anyone that u can count onto(hey that includes me too )

so what do you say?...

great idea.

yes it'll be a bit hard. let me try once. i'll just give a rough idea. other just implement ideas to it. the first post way too old.

will post the rough sketch here by tomorrow evening. but will need everyones help, as my grammar more pathetic than the desi PSUs.

it would great if you can make a draft - I'm eager to help.

BTW, I've one suggestion :

Latest Prices thread has configs starting from 30k to 64k.

So it would be better if we can give here configs upto 15 - 27k - thus it will not conflict with another threads, will keep the wokload and editing time minimum as possible and will be appropriate with the thread title as well.

 

[coderunknown]

yes that can be done. BTW guys please make some short, simple yet easy to description on ram & monitor. i finished the processor & motherboard part. basically a rough description about various AMD & Intel solutions available along with the +ve & -ve points. and a small note about compatibility & value. PSU & cabinet part will be done by me. anyone interested in graphics card section?

 

[Piyush]

yes that can be done. BTW guys please make some short, simple yet easy to description on ram & monitor. i finished the processor & motherboard part. basically a rough description about various AMD & Intel solutions available along with the +ve & -ve points. and a small note about compatibility & value. PSU & cabinet part will be done by me. anyone interested in graphics card section?

nice!!
what else is left?only graphic cards?

 

[coderunknown]

ODD, UPS, keyboard-mouse. all these 3 can be skipped. graphics card, monitor, PSU-cabinet & HDD left. last 2 section i'll do. maybe topgear or asigh can do the graphics part as they have far better understanding of accelerator than most of us. a little description about CUDA, eyefinity, steam, 3D, PhysicX will be good for everyone (even us).

 

[funkysourav]

Guys count me in!!!
i am going to research some bit about PSU and Graphics cards anyway!!!
so maybe i may be able to get some useful data.
i will pm Sorcerer asking for his help on the PSU matter!!
Asigh can help us with Ati cards and drivers
and all the latest tech and prices can be found on internet!!

p.s.
please share the first draft with me!!
i can contribute some

 

[skeletor]

comp@ddict is enjoying his stay in other forums, I guess.

 

[Piyush]

so lets wait for sam to open the innings

 

[coderunknown]

ok heres the initial part. more part will be done tonight. was busy the day so unable finish in the rest.

Processor:

Currently only 2 companies makes processor for desktop. Intel & AMD. Well many have not heard or even if heard have lots of misconception about the latter one. Ok now down to basic.

AMD Athlon II X2 or Intel Dual Core series: get these only if building a basic rig or a low cost ones or for office purpose. But it’s advised not to go for the Dual Cores if one is building a new rig. Go for them only if doing an upgrade keeping the ram & motherboard same. Please note that Athlon IIs can work in AM2+ as well as AM3 motherboard i.e. can support DDR2 as well as DDR3.

AMD Athlon II X3 or Intel Core2Duo E7***: Athlon II X3 is a tri core proccy. It’s actually a quad core but with 1 core locked. It is possible to unlock the locked core but success rate depends fully on luck. Up against it is Intel’s last gen all rounder C2D E7400 & E7500. These are really fast processors but should be avoided until doing an upgrade. If one is building a gaming rig, minimum to choose for now is to go for an X3. It got speed & extra cores. Both that current games demand.

Athlon II X4, Phenom II X2 Core i3: Core i3 is the latest processors from Intel firm. They are made on the 32nm node & have far superior OC potential compared to both the AMD counterparts. Even at stock speed they beat most processors in its price in games, mainly. But there’s a small catch. The socket in use is LGA1156, to be replaced by LGA1155 launching early 2011 or December 2010. Well as it mayn’t look to be much of an issue, the problem is, LGA1155 won’t support the existing Core i3 & i5 as well as i7s (LGA1156 based). & so the opposite is very much true. So it’s advised think well before going for these i3s. Compared to it the AMD processors are quite bit slower but got its own strong point. These processors fit into existing AM3 as well as old AM2+ boards, like the Athlon II X2 & Athlon II X3s. also AM3 will support future AMD processors (at least the next batch). Do note, unlike Core i3 processors, AMD processors don’t have graphics on the processor itself but on the motherboard. So motherboard selection is important. We’ll look into this later.

Athlon II X4 is a quad core. And at current pricing its a far better option than Core i3s, which are dual cores with Hyper Threading (i.e. bringing 1 virtual cores to each core). & like the Athlon II X3, Phenom II X2s can be unlocked to Phenom II X3 or Phenom II X4s. but again, depends on luck. Though, Phenom IIs comes with 6Mb of L3 cache & the Athlon IIs don’t, still the extra 2 cores on the Athlon II X4s better than 6Mb of L3 cache on the P2 X2s.

Phenom II X4, Core i5, Core i7: all these processors are quad cores, except Core i5 6** series which is basically a faster variant of the i3s. Phenom II X4s carry serious value as they can be used on motherboard priced from 2k till the costliest motherboard i.e. Asus Crosshair IV Extreme. Also like it’s cheaper variants, it supports DDR2 as well as DDR3. The only processor that carries more value than Phenom IIs is the Core i5 7*0. It’s a quad core & is a seriously fast proccy. Though it got no Hyper threading like the i3 & i7s, but its 4 cores more than enough for gaming. Next in line is Core i7 8** series. These got HT & fit into P55/H55/H57/Q57 motherboards (LGA1156).

Phenom II X6, Core i7 9**: Phenom II X6 is the 6 core variant of the Phenom II X4s. they carry the same 6Mb L3 cache. Not much useful in gaming (due to low clock & too many cores) are excellent (& cheaper) options for threaded apps, like rendering, animation. Get these proccies for gaming only if you sure you going to OverClock them. Better else skip them.

Core i7 9** are king of the hill. Nothing stands in their way. Fast, brutal, powerful are words that best explains their firepower err, processing power. But with a minimum combo cost of 25k (i7 930 + cheapest X58 motherboard), one can get 2 AMD 6-core setup. Get these if you want a fast pc with multi GPU solution or need best processing power available to desktop PC. BTW, these processors can be used only on X58 motherboard (LGA 1366).

Motherboard:

A PC is useless without a motherboard as it’s the place where everything is connected together. Choosing a motherboard can bring in quite a bit of headache as there are many many companies offering several solution aimed at Intel as well as AMD. But do remember, an Intel proccy can’t be used on an AMD board & opposite is valid as well.

Intel:

LGA775: This is the last gen processor socket & is now End of Life (EOL). So skip them until & unless you got a old proccy & a fried up motherboard. these motherboard only support Core2 series (& Dual Core & a few Pentium 4 variants). and mostly support DDR2 & only a handful support DDR3.

LGA1156: this is the current Intel socket for lower end as well as midrange proccies. They accommodate Core i3, i5 & i7 processors (i7 8series only). H55 & H57 allows the use of the integrated graphics on the i3 & Core i5 6series processors. Whereas P55 allows for Xfire as well as SLI i.e. Multi GPU setup but needs a discrete GPU even if the processor in use have inbuilt graphics as they lack any form of video output.

LGA 1366: only found in X58 based motherboard, these accept only Core i7 9** processors. Allows for upto 4 way multi GPU setup.

NOTE: as mentioned earlier, LGA1156 motherboards won’t support next gen Intel processors. LGA1366 too won't. But as LGA1366 plateform (along with a 13k or more priced processor) lot powerful, so an upgrade of proccy may never be required.

AMD:

AM2+: these are the last gen boards from AMD. This socket got a major drawback in the form that the socket support only DDR2. So skip it until doing an upgrade, same as LGA775.

AM3: this is the current socket for AMD processors (all the AMD processors described in processor section from AMD can be dropped into an AM3 socket). & as a result, support only AM3 processors & are DDR3 ram. Of the many variants found in market, 785G, 790GX, 880G, 890GX have graphics build in. so just drop in a proccy & you good to go. Though note, only 790GX & 890GX allows Xfire (2 ATI cards) officially. 770 & 870X don’t have any graphics build in so needs a graphics card to operate. 790FX as well as 890FX are the flagship chipsets for AMD. Both support upto 4 GPUs & don’t come with any sort of inbuilt graphics.

NOTE: AMD motherboards support Nvidia based graphics card but don’t allow multiple cards to run i.e. no SLI support. Whereas motherboards based on Intel chipsets, meant for Intel processors only support Xfire as well as SLI.

now guys, suggest any change, modification or anything that didn't fit the above semi-article. or anything i missed.

 

[Piyush]

^^thumbs up from my side
should we include something more or lets wait for ico to make a check

also i didnt knew this part
AMD motherboards support Nvidia based graphics card but don’t allow multiple cards to run i.e. no SLI support. Whereas motherboards based on Intel chipsets, meant for Intel processors only support Xfire as well as SLI.
is it really true?

 

[coderunknown]

this is just the beginning part. graphics card, PSU, monitor, cabby, HDD left. i'll finish up the cabby part as well as hard drive. monitor & graphics card, strictly not my area. lets finish up everything & than ICO can port & combine these drafts to the first page.

AFAIK, AMD chipset don't support SLI. to bring SLI will require NF100 or NF200 or whatever the name of the chip is. or maybe Lucid Hydra will do but natively, AMD chipsets won't. maybe the now discontinued SLI ready chipsets from Nvidia for AMD platform support SLI.

 

[topgear]

Made some correction and addition to your post :

AM2+: these are the last gen boards from AMD. These boards can support AM3 cpus provided manufacturers have necessary bios support for it.
This socket got a major drawback in the form that the socket support only DDR2. So skip it until doing an upgrade, same as LGA775. So check the manufacturers website if you really have to invest in such a motherboard for upgrade.

NOTE: Motherboards having multiple pci-e x16 slots based on AMD/ATI chipset support Nvidia based graphics card but don’t allow multiple Nvidia cards to run in Crossfire mode but they do allow to run multiple ATI graphics card in Cross fire mode.

Motherboards having multiple pci-e x16 slots based on Nvidia's Nforce chipset both for AMD/Intel cpus supports ATI graphics cards but don't allow multiple ATI graphics card to run in SLI mode but they do allow to run multiple Nvidia graphics card in SLI mode.

Motherboards based on Intel Socket LGA 1156 and 1366, meant for Intel processors only support Xfire as well as SLI ( Depends on the bios support from the manufacturers )

* For crossfire you have to use 2x or more ATI gfx cards and those cards have to support CF as well.

* For SLI you have to use 2x or more Nvidia gfx cards and those cards have to support SLI as well.

Nvidia and ATI has two more interesting technologies :

Nvidia Hybrid SLI technology :

Hybrid SLI® technology, based on NVIDIA’s industry-leading SLI technology, delivers multi-GPU (graphics processing unit) benefits when an NVIDIA® motherboard GPU is combined with an NVIDIA discrete GPU. Hybrid SLI increases graphics performance with GeForce® Boost and provides intelligent power management with HybridPower™.

* depends on GPU and motherboard chipset

For detailed Information :

*en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalable_Link_Interface#Hybrid_SLI

ATI Hybrid CrossFire/Hybrid CrossFireX

The Hybrid CrossFire is a technology allowing the IGP, or Integrated Graphics Processor, and the discrete GPU, or Graphics Processing Unit, to form a CrossFire setup to enhance the system capability to render 3D scenes, while the Hybrid CrossFire X technology is present on the 790GX and 890G chipsets, with two supplied physical PCI-E x16 slots at x8 bandwidth [3], can form a Hybrid CrossFire X setup with two video cards and the IGP, enhancing the 3D rendering capabilities.[4]

* depends on GPU and motherboard chipset

For detailed Information :

*en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATI_Hybrid_Graphics