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eminemence

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I am extremely wary of these flashy presentations.Does anyone have real snaps of the device working?
Also no specifications about the processor and battery life time,which is one of the most important features tested on mobile devices,are missing.
I wonder with such flashy stuff,if the iPhone's battery will even survive a couple of hours.
Its very smart and cool to make such presentations without the real device.
If anyone has the real device UI pics of the iPhone,pls do post them here.
--eminemence.
 

ambandla

Sup' dude, Sup'
battery : 5 hrs talktime or video, 16 hours for music.
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you can watch the entire demo given by steve jobs from apple.com site.*events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/j47d52oo/event/
 
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aryayush

Aspiring Novelist
@gxsaurav

1. The 8 GB model is priced at $599, which amounts to Rs. 26,733.91 when converted directly to INR. Of course, the taxes, etc. might increase the price but you never know what the original price might have fallen to by 2008. Whichever way you see it, there is no Indian price announced for it yet.

2. I read it later that by desktop-class applications, Apple does not mean to say actual desktop applications, but mobile versions that are as feature laden as the desktop counterparts. Whatever. It still is far better than Symbian, Windows Mobile or any other operating system, just like Mac OS X for the desktop. BTW, I don't have a MacBook. It is a MacBook Pro and has a Core Duo processor and 2 GB of RAM.

3. That was my response to this statement by you: "The reason a stylus is used in Mobile phones or PDA is to prevent the screen from smudge & damages etc"
If you have seen the demos of the phone, the interface has very large buttons and it is not possible for a person's index finger to be larger than those. The keys also get enlarged just as you are about to hit them so there is virtually no chance of you ever mis-typing using your fingers. Plus, the use of a stylus would have prevented the implementation of the amazing 'Multi-touch' technology.
Actually, this is something that you will only truly appreciate when you have used it similar to the trackpad on Apple laptops. People complain about the lack of a physical secondary right click button, but what they do not realise is that using two fingers for the secondary click and scrolling is way more efficient than another button.

4. OK, let us dissect this feature-by-feature:
(a) 3.5-inch widescreen display: I ran a few searches and apart from one HP iPAQ model, I couldn't find any phones that have this. Maybe you could show me a few more.
(b) intelligent/predictive QWERTY: Which other phone has it? I can see none.
(c) photo management application: No phone has had it till now. Do not mention applications such as PhotoDJ™ on Sony Ericsson cell phones. It is not even worthy of an excuse to be an actual photo management application.
(d) HTML email client: Again, which phone has an email client that is capable of displaying actual full-fledged HTML?
(e) support for POP3 and IMAP: There are phones that support the IMAP protocol? I don't know about any.
(f) GPS: No other phone has GPS integrated with Google Maps. Absolutely none.
(g) wireless (quad-band GSM, EDGE, 802.11b/g Wi-Fi and Bluetooth 2.0 with EDR): I am wrong here. There is a sizable number of smartphones capable that have all these technologies bundled.
(h) bluetooth headset: How many phones bundle a Bluetooth headset with the device?
Before you start bashing me, I admit that I am not very well acknowledged about which phones have what because of the plethora of cell phones available today. I am aware that most of these features, if not all, can be found on various phones in different combinations. But this is the first phone to do it all together and that too, with a really friendly and slick user interface and hardware design. Plus, there are those other features I mentioned that are not found on any other phone in the market. Simply put, there is no phone in the market that offers any serious competition to the Apple iPhone.

5. The iChat style of displaying SMS is just a better way of displaying text messages. How could someone have a problem with that? Think of it as the conversation view in GMail.

6. And how does it lack severely as a phone? Just because it does not have a stylus? Lame!

7. No, you cannot. Don't shoot things in the air and expect no one to notice them. You cannot subscribe to anything related to Google Maps and use it as GPS. It is not possible. The carriers provide other maps from companies that dedicatedly use the maps for the purpose of enabling GPS on the devices.

8. That, my friend, is innovation. That is the signature style of Apple. The iPhone is here to stay, whether you approve of it or not. The chief executive of Cingular entered the deal, and bent the established rules and technologies of his carrier, without ever looking at even the prototype. That should give you some idea about how great the product is going to be. Read this: Apple's New Calling: The iPhone
 
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iMav

The Devil's Advocate
arya points 1 and 2 are just ways by which u r defending the iphone coz of ur ego ...... if this was a product from MS u wud hav been in place of saurav and vice versa
 

aryayush

Aspiring Novelist
The first one is nothing. gxsaurav said that the price was 30K and I am just correcting him. I am not defending the price (though I do think that the price is very reasonable).

The second one, that Mac OS X is better than any operating system that tries to offer it competition, is absolutely true, regardless of whether you guys agree or not. People who use it know it. I couldn't care less whether you guys acknowledge that or not.
 

iMav

The Devil's Advocate
sorry i actually meant point 1 and 3 .... no is saying tht v only want the stylus .... wat v r saying is tht v also want a stylus
 

ambandla

Sup' dude, Sup'
So, having a stylus or not is not a major issue. Move on to other capabilities. One this that really makes me unhappy is the memory. It's just 4/8GB. That' not even 1/4 of my music collection.
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what about the battery and sim. Are they removable? or is this phone like the reliance phones with no sim card at all? and is the battery like the ipod battery?
 
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gxsaurav

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A smart phone or PDA is a device on which u can install your own application, take notes like a paper notebook, navigate etc. I just found out that iPhone cannot install 3rd party application & It is restricted to only those apps made by Apple. The sole reason people buy Smartphone, or Symbian OS phones is the ability to install own applications. Now tell me how does this iphone targets the PDA or Smart Phones like Andy pointed out comparing it to Palm Treo etc, then how can u say it is better than Symbian or Windows Mobile, is it because it’s Apple?

Apple is famous for not opening it’s technology to other. The killer combo of a Smartphone, outlook syncing & Exchange server is unmatched. Now I guess Apple will make a Outlook clone…..Cupertino has started it’s photocopiers. There is no mention weather I can use this phone to sync with my outlook inbox or contact list. Or are they gonna give this task to itunes too? Again, how is this a smrtphone if simple features like this are not implemented. Provided that apple will relese an application for doing these things soon…..maybe iOutlook. What about phone management, like we have the technology & file system of Sony & Nokia phones open, due to which we have Apps like Myphoneexplorer or FMA, I m still looking if apple will open its technology or restrict us to their own apps only

Suppose we compare it to W810i or Nokia N-Series Music phones. Let’s see, believe it or not the market is filled with Nokia phones with real media songs, just due to huge market share of Nokia, & so many model. iPhone only plays mp3 & AAC. Ok fine, aac is good for mobile phones anyway, & it’s an iPod. But what about choices? U cannot even install your own app to play say, rm or ogg or wma like in case of few Smartphone or PDAs. What about the cost? An iPod nano with a K750i will be cheaper than this phone

U said, no other phone has a full features HTML email viewer. Plz go out & take a look at any Windows Mobile device, or Symbian Pro devices, they had it from 2 years. Again, apple doesn’t bring anything new to the table. It’s either already available or user-installable in old phones as applications

Hard disk of 4 GB is good enough for people like me, but then again others might want more, there is no expandable memory option, something common in phones of this range

Google map is not equal to GPS, & we don’t know if it can be used with those in-car GPS devices or Bluetooth GPS devices. Read again, I said u can browse Google maps in browser like opera for mobile & subscribe to GPS functionality via Cell phone carrier, like Airtel in India

The text input method sounds badly implemented, Well….u better use it u will find yourself, how easier it is to write on a keypad or with a stylus. About the amazing multi-touch technology, I will talk about it once I get to use it. About intelligent predictive QWEARTY, plz check a user installable application for Windows mobile named TenGO

Photo management application, let’s see….it has iphoto I guess……I never needed any photo management application on a phone, so won’t talk about this feature.

How many phones bundle a Bluetooth headset with the device

None, cos the user gets the choice to buy if he wants to, from 3rd party vendors like Logitech etc. Do we have an option, not to buy iPhone with a Bluetooth headset to reduce costs?

there is no phone in the market that offers any serious competition to the Apple iPhone.

:D:D

No news about user-replaceable battery. I guess u will have to send it to apple to change it. How many days can u live without your phone guys? Also it is mentioned by apple that it has 5 hrs talk time & 16hrs music. Once in this forum tarey_G pointed that he would prefer a phone & a music player separately, so that he can use the phone for calls instead of draining the battery by music. There are many people like him, & like I said, u cannot stare at this phone always, or listen to music always. It’s a phone that is how u r gonna use it

I wonder how u call the cost of this phone justified, it costs as much as a PS3. Even a LG chocolate with a Memory card will be cheaper than this

So, having a stylus or not is not a major issue

Once u start using it, u will know how much it lacks in this regard. Like I said above, u cannot stare at this phone all the time, or play music/videos all the time. In the end it’s a phone, something it is lacking a lot as.

Of course the phone is here to stay, as long as there are Mac users who swear & live by Apple. For those looking for productivity will use other Smartphone instead. iPhone is just a fancy device, but a good one.

Now come to my favorite part. $499 & 2 MP Camera only, with no flash it seems. Next…………

mav3, pointed right.....we need a stylus with a device of $499, & a better camera
 
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aryayush

Aspiring Novelist
@gxsaurav

The news that you cannot install your own applications is only mentioned on TUAW and they asked a security guard about it. There is no authenticity or confirmation of the 'rumour'. If Apple confirms that the phone will not allow users to install their own applications, it will be a huge shortcoming indeed. But they did not say anything about the matter, and because it has a mobile version of OS X, I think it will allow developers to make applications for it. Before Apple says anything, this news is nothing more than speculation.

I know for a fact that it can sync with a Mac and fetch your existing accounts with all the settings and email from Mail.app. And since it can be synced with a PC too, it will most probably allow you to sync with Outlook too. Why are you commenting on things you are not sure about?

I did not say that no other phone had a full-fledged HTML client. I asked you whether any phone had it. If some phones do, it's good.

But you are again saying that Apple does not bring anything new even after I gave mentioned many new and revolutionary features. Plus, Apple has put in a lot of innovation even in implementing the old hands so they are much better on the iPhone. And the iPhone is an all-in-one device, something other phones cannot boast of. They are either (dumb) smartphones meant for business or music phones or imaging phones or simple phones.

First of all, it also comes in the capacity of eight gigabytes and that is the maximum capacity available on any phone in the market AFAIK. One Samsung model has eight GB too but I don't think any other phone has more than 8 GB of on-board memory. And 8 GB is not a small amount for a phone by any stretch. Future iterations of the iPhone will surely feature more memory on-board, but for a first gen phone (and even otherwise), it's not half bad. They should start supporting memory cards though. Even Apple laptops do not have memory card readers. I dunno why they are against the technology.

Google Maps is integrated with the iPhone and serves the function of GPS quite well. This is what Apple has to say on the official website:
Google Maps
With Google Maps and iPhone’s amazing Maps application, you can view maps and satellite images, or get directions and traffic information, all from iPhone’s remarkable, easy-to-use touch interface.
Go to this page and click on 'Maps'. Watch the QuickTime movie. I think it is much better than the GPS functionality on ANY other device in the market, including specialised GPS devices.

You do realise that the buttons on the virtual keyboard blow up just as you are about to hit them, right? Unless you have sausages for fingers, I don;t think you are ever going to type wrongly. I am hundred percent sure it is going to be even better than a stylus. And as I already mentioned, and you agreed, this is one of those things that you have to use to understand.

First you said that other phones have photo management applications too. Then, when I said that they don't (and you couldn't find a comparable example), you dismissed it saying that you don't care. Yeah, I can see you are talking a lot of sense! And even after having seen all the new features, you keep saying "there is nothing new". What do you want! You want it to make tea - or clean your bathroom for you!

No, because Apple knows that when you are buying an expensive feature laden handset, you should be getting a Bluetooth headset with it. The convenience of a Bluetooth headset can only be known after you use it on a regular basis. See, if you are buying an expensive handset, you will not be looking to save a thousand bucks on a headset. And if you are that kind of a customer, Apple is not interested in selling you their wares. It has always been Apple's policy. Their laptops come with remotes and sensors whether you want them or not. Wi-Fi and Bluetooth are non-configurable options across almost all Macs.
However, I expect Apple will release versions of the iPhone in lower price brackets in the future too and they won't have a headset bundled with them. I am sure you will be here at that time and will be commenting about how little features it has. You just want to say something against it, regardless of whether there IS an actual need or reason behind it.

I have had three phones till date, my mother has had one and my father has had more phones than I could care to count. Not even one of them has ever needed a battery replacement. How many times do you need to replace a phone's battery during its lifetime?

Yeah, and an LG Chocolate had a 3.5" touchscreen with 16m colours, advanced sensors, photo management applications, OS X, Wi-Fi, etc. Oh come one, they are not even in the same category! Why are you comparing Apples to ora... chocolates! And you cannot make phone calls with a PS3, nor can you carry it around in your pocket.

And you keep saying that it lacks as a phone and someday maybe you'll finally learn the statement! You have said absolutely nothing that makes its phone specific features any less competent than products from other companies. And you still keep saying that it lacks as a phone. What does it lack? Can you make a list of points? I can only see you mentioning the stylus again and again. But in case haven't noticed, having done away with the stylus and brought in a revolutionary new way of interacting with the device is the iPhone's USP, just like the click wheel was the USP of the first iPod and the mouse was the USP of the first Macintosh.

How many Mac users and Apple fanatics are there on this forum? Three, maybe four or five. How many have posted in this thread? Only two as far as I can see. How many people are disappointed with the device and/or wouldn't want one if offered? Only you. That pretty much sums up how good the thing is.

It does lack in the camera department, there are no two ways about it.
 

goobimama

 Macboy
I've already started saving. No more new clothes, shoes. No more eating out like a junkie (this iphone also helps in maintaining health I guess...). No more....

Just get 30 grand ready and waiting. And pray that it can be unlocked...
 

mail2and

Walking, since 2004.
aryayush said:
But you are again saying that Apple does not bring anything new even after I gave mentioned many new and revolutionary features. Plus, Apple has put in a lot of innovation even in implementing the old hands so they are much better on the iPhone. And the iPhone is an all-in-one device, something other phones cannot boast of. They are either (dumb) smartphones meant for business or music phones or imaging phones or simple phones.

A stylus pen can be used with the iPhone, too. I think ayush some people on this forum are really desperate as they are blind haters. I'm loving the whining going on in this thread. Are you? :d



First you said that other phones have photo management applications too. Then, when I said that they don't (and you couldn't find a comparable example), you dismissed it saying that you don't care. Yeah, I can see you are talking a lot of sense! And even after having seen all the new features, you keep saying "there is nothing new". What do you want! You want it to make tea - or clean your bathroom for you!

That's the guy for you. He never tells the truth or backs up his views with facts. This can work in a forum, but in real life, such people are not the most likely to succeed as one requires conscience for success.







It does lack in the camera department, there are no two ways about it.

Camera on phones are a bad idea. Unless phones get optical zoom, even a 5 MP camera is waste on a phone. I would also like to point out that MP is not a indicator of the quality of a camera.

Compare Nokia 2 MP and SE 2 MP. You'll get your answer. Similarly, compare my old 0.3 MP to a Motorola 1.3 MP.
 

hailgautam

Youngling
I have used a O2 XDA II for more than six months and also the Nokia 7710, for a similar period of time.

Let me tell you, I used to use the fingers as much as possible because it is much more convenient to to use fingers than use the stylus (kaun stylus nikalega, aur kaun vapas rakhega).

As for the matter of the screen getting dirty, it is not at all a concern as such. Why, coz all our phone screens get dirty any way. (Not because I used to touch the screen with fingers, otherwise also. Currently i am carrying a SE K750i, and its screen is as dirty)

The QWERTY keyboard looks good in the presentation, it will work in day to day usage.

Who needs to load 3rd party applications when your phone itself does all that you want to do? I never installed any 3rd party applications on the O2, but on Nokia 7710, i installed some themes. Currently the only 3r party application on the K750i is the Opera Mini.

2MP camera is a let down though, but I would expect that Apple will update it soon.

Now to compare the price currently we are expecting of around 30K with say SE P990, or the black berry phones or something, i think it is reasonable. Any way I will never compared the IPod Shuffle with a T-Sonice 610i. Apple will command a premium (quality apart, for the brand name) and I am ready to pay for it.

By the way I plan to buy this phone within couple of months after its release at Chirag Ali - Hyderabad Lane for a good discount.:D
 

iMav

The Devil's Advocate
well i dont think any1 is saying the price of the product is too high rather i wud say considering the brand value of apple the price is low

and hailgautam i think u hav never used a symbian 60 fone and hav absolutely no clue abt the power tht 3rd party appz bring to ur fone ...
and andy a cam on a fone is a bad idea but an ipod in a fone is an awesome idea
 

mail2and

Walking, since 2004.
hailgautam said:
I have used a O2 XDA II for more than six months and also the Nokia 7710, for a similar period of time.

Let me tell you, I used to use the fingers as much as possible because it is much more convenient to to use fingers than use the stylus (kaun stylus nikalega, aur kaun vapas rakhega).

As for the matter of the screen getting dirty, it is not at all a concern as such. Why, coz all our phone screens get dirty any way. (Not because I used to touch the screen with fingers, otherwise also. Currently i am carrying a SE K750i, and its screen is as dirty)

The QWERTY keyboard looks good in the presentation, it will work in day to day usage.

Who needs to load 3rd party applications when your phone itself does all that you want to do? I never installed any 3rd party applications on the O2, but on Nokia 7710, i installed some themes. Currently the only 3r party application on the K750i is the Opera Mini.

2MP camera is a let down though, but I would expect that Apple will update it soon.

Now to compare the price currently we are expecting of around 30K with say SE P990, or the black berry phones or something, i think it is reasonable. Any way I will never compared the IPod Shuffle with a T-Sonice 610i. Apple will command a premium (quality apart, for the brand name) and I am ready to pay for it.

By the way I plan to buy this phone within couple of months after its release at Chirag Ali - Hyderabad Lane for a good discount.:D

I would love to see GX reply to this post. Of course, he won't. What will he tell to a person, who has actually used such phones.
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mAV3 said:
and andy a cam on a fone is a bad idea but an ipod in a fone is an awesome idea

Well, cameras on phones do not, and I repeat, do not have optical zoom. That means the picture quality is really bad.

Whereas, an mp3 player integrated in a phone is no way less than a dedicated ipod. I don't see any difference between the nanos and this. Both sync through the same software, have almost the same music features, and this phone takes it further, I dare say.

However, as with every first generation product, it will have its flaws. It will really come into its own by the 2G or 3G, as was the case with the iPod.
 
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hailgautam

Youngling
mAV3 said:
well i dont think any1 is saying the price of the product is too high rather i wud say considering the brand value of apple the price is low

and hailgautam i think u hav never used a symbian 60 fone and hav absolutely no clue abt the power tht 3rd party appz bring to ur fone ...
and andy a cam on a fone is a bad idea but an ipod in a fone is an awesome idea

Well if you say so, but I have at some point or other used, Nokia, 3230, 6680, 6270, 3250, N70.....also 7710 (some say its S90 Phone). But not the latest ones, coz I am hooked on to the SE 750i and also coz me quit my job to study and no money to change a phone every month.:-(

And i have used all most all the applications available for those phones. I wonder why you have to say that. May be because you see me wonder why do we need to install 3rd party applications. Is it?
 

iMav

The Devil's Advocate
@ hailgautam i own a 6600 with many 3rd party apps and a lot of my frenz only hav the sound quality of their fones to brag and not the features tht my fone posses thanx to the 3rd party apps
 
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