AMD Trinity & Richland APU Discussion
OP
re: AMD Trinity & Richland APU Discussion
You are welcome.
If AMD can take care of the yields, they will sell these well. Even demand for Llano was very high, AMD couldn't supply enough. And if they can sell BD, I see no reason why people won't want one of these chips in their PCs.
*www.techpowerup.com/img/12-01-12/128a.jpg
Trinity from L to R: for ultrabooks, for notebooks and for desktops.
You are welcome.
If AMD can take care of the yields, they will sell these well. Even demand for Llano was very high, AMD couldn't supply enough. And if they can sell BD, I see no reason why people won't want one of these chips in their PCs.*www.techpowerup.com/img/12-01-12/128a.jpg
Trinity from L to R: for ultrabooks, for notebooks and for desktops.
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kg11sgbg
Indian Railways - The Vibrant and Moving INDIA
re: AMD Trinity & Richland APU Discussion
Thank you Skud,for such valuable reviews.I am an AMD fanboy,but was possessing a dilemma and thinking to buy Intel Ivy Bridge based laptops in the future,prefarably from ASUS.But according to advice from ico,and reading this thread I have made up my mind once again,that "Let AMD march its way on for decent products with a a comparable cheaper tag than Intel" for customers like us.
But the disappointment is,why the Llano based APU's are not so predominant in India?
Do the same thing happens with "Trinity" APU's?
India is a vast market to sell the products based on AMD APU's,but AMD seems to ignore it.
Even Global Foundries have resumed their production on 32nm waffers(resolving the issues and problems),with news that LLANO APU's are manufactured more,than previous shortages.
Why do we need to wait for AMD APU's?
You are welcome.
Thank you Skud,for such valuable reviews.I am an AMD fanboy,but was possessing a dilemma and thinking to buy Intel Ivy Bridge based laptops in the future,prefarably from ASUS.But according to advice from ico,and reading this thread I have made up my mind once again,that "Let AMD march its way on for decent products with a a comparable cheaper tag than Intel" for customers like us.
But the disappointment is,why the Llano based APU's are not so predominant in India?
Do the same thing happens with "Trinity" APU's?
India is a vast market to sell the products based on AMD APU's,but AMD seems to ignore it.
Even Global Foundries have resumed their production on 32nm waffers(resolving the issues and problems),with news that LLANO APU's are manufactured more,than previous shortages.
Why do we need to wait for AMD APU's?
kg11sgbg
Indian Railways - The Vibrant and Moving INDIA
re: AMD Trinity & Richland APU Discussion
^^ Yes,right ico.
Even at Kolkata,. some shops are selling AMD socket FM1 based mobo's by : Asus,Gigabyte and MSi,with the availability of AMD A6/A4 (Desktop based) APU's.
Though no news on AMD Llano based APU Laptops/Notebooks.
^^ Yes,right ico.
Even at Kolkata,. some shops are selling AMD socket FM1 based mobo's by : Asus,Gigabyte and MSi,with the availability of AMD A6/A4 (Desktop based) APU's.
Though no news on AMD Llano based APU Laptops/Notebooks.
coderunknown
Retired Forum Mod
re: AMD Trinity & Richland APU Discussion
AMD is not ignoring Indian market, else why will they launch FX, APU & Phenom II series. its the laptop manufacturers.
Flipkart was selling a few APU based laptops but now most are out of stock.
one possible reason can be that laptop APUs have really low clock i.e. below 2Ghz for entry level one (A4 maybe). looking at the clockspeed only, most will jump for Intel Core i3s based laptops. or maybe due to shortage of usable chips. if GoFo has started production at full capacity, still it'll take a couple of months for them to appear here.
AMD is not ignoring Indian market, else why will they launch FX, APU & Phenom II series. its the laptop manufacturers.
Flipkart was selling a few APU based laptops but now most are out of stock.
Even Global Foundries have resumed their production on 32nm waffers(resolving the issues and problems),with news that LLANO APU's are manufactured more,than previous shortages.
Why do we need to wait for AMD APU's?
one possible reason can be that laptop APUs have really low clock i.e. below 2Ghz for entry level one (A4 maybe). looking at the clockspeed only, most will jump for Intel Core i3s based laptops. or maybe due to shortage of usable chips. if GoFo has started production at full capacity, still it'll take a couple of months for them to appear here.
kg11sgbg
Indian Railways - The Vibrant and Moving INDIA
re: AMD Trinity & Richland APU Discussion
Thank's Sam.
Hopefully and Wishfully,let's wait...
Just one information a bit off this thread,hence seeking permission to the Forum.
If SAMSUNG Laptops those based on AMD APU's (First Llano and then Trinity afterwards)are available in India,is that reliable to buy?
Or should I choose ASUS or Lenovo or Toshiba(all based on AMD Llano/Trinity APU's)?
Dell & hp are not my choice.
Thank's Sam.
Hopefully and Wishfully,let's wait...
Just one information a bit off this thread,hence seeking permission to the Forum.
If SAMSUNG Laptops those based on AMD APU's (First Llano and then Trinity afterwards)are available in India,is that reliable to buy?
Or should I choose ASUS or Lenovo or Toshiba(all based on AMD Llano/Trinity APU's)?
Dell & hp are not my choice.
sukesh1090
Adam young
re: AMD Trinity & Richland APU Discussion
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yes you are good to buy the Samsung notebook. Samsung is a reliable company and even one among the richest companies. Samsung has more service centers in India than the other companies mentioned above.so go ahead with it.
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yes you are good to buy the Samsung notebook. Samsung is a reliable company and even one among the richest companies. Samsung has more service centers in India than the other companies mentioned above.so go ahead with it.
coderunknown
Retired Forum Mod
re: AMD Trinity & Richland APU Discussion
thats true. Samsung have service center in every part of India.
thats true. Samsung have service center in every part of India.
hellknight
BSD init pwns System V
re: AMD Trinity & Richland APU Discussion
Few things to say about this. Firstly, why almost all of the proprietary apps on Windows perform poorly on multi-threaded architectures? Whereas, most of the FOSS apps, like 7-zip, are utilizing all the four cores. This was one of the reasons that was stated for Bulldozer's poor performance.
Like, read this article, here you can see that FX-8150 has demolished i5 in every possible test and in some tests it has also defeated i7 2600k. I think that AMD needs to work with Microsoft & other software vendors to optimize the applications for their upcoming Trinity series so it doesn't turns out like Bulldoze.
Few things to say about this. Firstly, why almost all of the proprietary apps on Windows perform poorly on multi-threaded architectures? Whereas, most of the FOSS apps, like 7-zip, are utilizing all the four cores. This was one of the reasons that was stated for Bulldozer's poor performance.
Like, read this article, here you can see that FX-8150 has demolished i5 in every possible test and in some tests it has also defeated i7 2600k. I think that AMD needs to work with Microsoft & other software vendors to optimize the applications for their upcoming Trinity series so it doesn't turns out like Bulldoze.
Offtopic, this exotic 8-core is going to land in my home this year.
vickybat
I am the night...I am...
re: AMD Trinity & Richland APU Discussion
^^Bulldozer's ipc is pathetic and the main reason of its downfall in the performance front. You can't always win by brute forcing with more no. of cores. Efficiency matters and its the strongest point of sandybridge.
People will say scheduling is not done right but i will always blame the single core performance first. If that's done right, scaling will be much much better with threaded apps.
^^Bulldozer's ipc is pathetic and the main reason of its downfall in the performance front. You can't always win by brute forcing with more no. of cores. Efficiency matters and its the strongest point of sandybridge.
People will say scheduling is not done right but i will always blame the single core performance first. If that's done right, scaling will be much much better with threaded apps.
Cilus
laborare est orare
re: AMD Trinity & Richland APU Discussion
Although I'm a big fan of AMD, this time can't deny Vicky's claim about Bulldozer. The Cacthe latency in BD modules are higher than the Phenom II processors.
Also even after the two Hot-fixes for Windows 7, the performance improvement is actually very very marginal. One thing is true that Windows 7 is never designed for the BD's module based architecture and even with the hot-fixes, the chance of performance improvement is really low and it is confirmed by Microsoft design team.
Check the article below:
AMD's FX-8150 After Two Windows 7 Hotfixes And UEFI Updates : Scheduling, Core Parking, And Throttling, Oh My!
On the other hand, Windows 8 will be having completely different scheduling logic to handle multiple threads for Mutli core processors which might improve Bulldozer's performance quite a bit. But again it is going to increase performance of SMT (you know it as Intel HT) based processors, so again performance increase for the HT enabled Sandybridge/SB-E and Ivy Bridge processors.
Although I'm a big fan of AMD, this time can't deny Vicky's claim about Bulldozer. The Cacthe latency in BD modules are higher than the Phenom II processors.
Also even after the two Hot-fixes for Windows 7, the performance improvement is actually very very marginal. One thing is true that Windows 7 is never designed for the BD's module based architecture and even with the hot-fixes, the chance of performance improvement is really low and it is confirmed by Microsoft design team.
Check the article below:
AMD's FX-8150 After Two Windows 7 Hotfixes And UEFI Updates : Scheduling, Core Parking, And Throttling, Oh My!
On the other hand, Windows 8 will be having completely different scheduling logic to handle multiple threads for Mutli core processors which might improve Bulldozer's performance quite a bit. But again it is going to increase performance of SMT (you know it as Intel HT) based processors, so again performance increase for the HT enabled Sandybridge/SB-E and Ivy Bridge processors.
Cilus
laborare est orare
re: AMD Trinity & Richland APU Discussion
Here is another good news about AMD trinity APUs. Recently a research carried on North Carolina State University has displayed 20% performance improvement in Windows Environment by tweaking the software code, without doing any hardware tweaking or overclocking.
In this method the engineers have used a simulated AMD APU with Shared L3 cache (Most probably Trinity) and used the CPU as a memory fetch/Decode unit and the GPU as the main computational unit by writing codes to optimize GP-GPU performance. AMD's Fusion is basically Heterogeneous System Architecture where inside a single silicon die different types of cores are present, couple of them are CPU cores and couple of them are GPU cores and they are capable of talking to each other.
Now CPU is very good at fetching or reading memory and optimizing the code path because of the proven X86 architecture whereas GPU is a monsterous Floating point unit. But today's most of the applications are not optimize to take the advantage of the computing power of GPU.
The North Carolina State University Researchers optimize the code to take advantage of GPU computing even with the normal CPU bound applications and gained the extra 20% performance boost.
Read it here:
NCSU News :: NC State News and Information Engineers Boost Computer Processor Performance By Over 20 Percent
Here is another good news about AMD trinity APUs. Recently a research carried on North Carolina State University has displayed 20% performance improvement in Windows Environment by tweaking the software code, without doing any hardware tweaking or overclocking.
In this method the engineers have used a simulated AMD APU with Shared L3 cache (Most probably Trinity) and used the CPU as a memory fetch/Decode unit and the GPU as the main computational unit by writing codes to optimize GP-GPU performance. AMD's Fusion is basically Heterogeneous System Architecture where inside a single silicon die different types of cores are present, couple of them are CPU cores and couple of them are GPU cores and they are capable of talking to each other.
Now CPU is very good at fetching or reading memory and optimizing the code path because of the proven X86 architecture whereas GPU is a monsterous Floating point unit. But today's most of the applications are not optimize to take the advantage of the computing power of GPU.
The North Carolina State University Researchers optimize the code to take advantage of GPU computing even with the normal CPU bound applications and gained the extra 20% performance boost.
Read it here:
NCSU News :: NC State News and Information Engineers Boost Computer Processor Performance By Over 20 Percent
coderunknown
Retired Forum Mod
re: AMD Trinity & Richland APU Discussion
AMD will benefit more as GPU will do the hardwork where AMD is many times faster than Intel. so, Intel will be slow in this race.
AMD will benefit more as GPU will do the hardwork where AMD is many times faster than Intel. so, Intel will be slow in this race.
Cilus
laborare est orare
re: AMD Trinity & Richland APU Discussion
With Intel IGP, not possible in an extent as with AMD APU. The reason is that Intel IGP is not a core inside the module. Here IGP is a separate unit which is just placed inside the single die. It doesn't have full access of the system Memory, nor it can directly talk to the CPU. Also the Intel Core+IGP can't be programmed using OpenCL or other languages based on SIMD (Single Instruction Multiple Data) design as a generic module with multiple different types of cores inside a package due to their lack of message passing among the CPU and the GPU die.
With Intel IGP, not possible in an extent as with AMD APU. The reason is that Intel IGP is not a core inside the module. Here IGP is a separate unit which is just placed inside the single die. It doesn't have full access of the system Memory, nor it can directly talk to the CPU. Also the Intel Core+IGP can't be programmed using OpenCL or other languages based on SIMD (Single Instruction Multiple Data) design as a generic module with multiple different types of cores inside a package due to their lack of message passing among the CPU and the GPU die.
sukesh1090
Adam young
re: AMD Trinity & Richland APU Discussion
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Thanks for the link bro but what about trinity?where it is?last year amd told it will arive in early 2012 but i am not sensing even a smell of trinity.
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Thanks for the link bro but what about trinity?where it is?last year amd told it will arive in early 2012 but i am not sensing even a smell of trinity.