AMD HD 6950 and 6970 released

[clear_lot]

^ Indian prices are a bit*h

 

[Cilus]

Just got the review of HD 6950 Crossfire in guru3d. Its 1.8 to sometimes 2 time scaling......really unbelievable! Who said AMD has bad driver support. In some 60% of the benchmarks it is just below GTX 580 SLI and almost of all the times on the par with GTX 570 SLI.
I think HD 6950 is gonna be the next star as at the price point it has no competitor.

asingh, I also support you regarding the Driver issue and PhysX, but CUDA and stream is not that bad as they have real utility which clearly benefit from these.
I myself use GPU based Vieo-editing and encoding using Cyberlink tools and some open source software like Mediacoder. The performance boost is really very high. I can convert videos in less than half an hour which took almost 2 to 2.4 hrs in my Phenom II 955.
Similarly I also use Media Player Classic Home Cinema to play my bluray rips and HD contents using my GPU and adding several post processing filters to enhance quality, up-scaling the Non-HD to HD resolution etc.

Now I'm not at all any professional in those fields, still I got several advantages from CUDA/Strea. Imagine how a professional can be benefited.

 

[damngoodman999]

@ICO;DGMan:
Well you have the option to uninstall right. Why not use that..?

Drivers need to be understood. At times there is no need to update. I am stilling using 10.5a, it is good enough.

Ok we ll END this discussion ! Ati sure need to concentrate on DRIVERS ! IMO

I call chennai dealer about XFX & MSI price on HD 6950 its 19000/- woah only 10% more performance than HD 6870 , Its 5K more thats horrible !!

Wat u guys recommend ?? getting HD 6870 is better or HD 6950 is better ???

 

[Liverpool_fan]

Drivers:
Both are equally fine. If one browses other forums nVidia and ATI have just the same amount of problems. Saying ATI drivers are worse than nVidia is a pure myth.

Not in Linux.
But yeah they are improving steadily in that respect, and ATI OSS drivers are coming good too.

 

[vickybat]

Ok we ll END this discussion ! Ati sure need to concentrate on DRIVERS ! IMO

I call chennai dealer about XFX & MSI price on HD 6950 its 19000/- woah only 10% more performance than HD 6870 , Its 5K more thats horrible !!

Wat u guys recommend ?? getting HD 6870 is better or HD 6950 is better ???

Buddy if 6950 is 19k it would be wise to save 3k and go for the gtx 570 which is a much faster card and gf110 gpu's are power efficient as well as thermally cool.

Msi N570 GTX is available for 22k in smc which would be much better.

 

[damngoodman999]

Buddy if 6950 is 19k it would be wise to save 3k and go for the gtx 570 which is a much faster card and gf110 gpu's are power efficient as well as thermally cool.

Msi N570 GTX is available for 22k in smc which would be much better.

Its too high for me i play so rarely , HD 6870 should be good

HD 6950 only 5 tp 8 fps more than HD 6870 , is it right ??

 

[vickybat]

@ damngoodman999
Wait for gtx 570 prices to fall. Your current gtx 260 can still handle games well. Believe me it will a future proof buy cause newer games which favour tesselation will perform better in 570.

Just wait a bit buddy as a price drop is imminent.

 

[topgear]

Here's a comparison among these new hot GPUS and one old one - I know it's far from perfect but it's a good starting point anyway :

GeForce GTX 570 ( Temp 79C Oced )

Core Clock: 800MHz
Shader Clock: 1600MHz
Memory Clock: 4500 MHz

MW2 1920*1200 161
BC2 1920*1200 64

Core Clock: 950MHz
Shader Clock: 950MHz
Memory Clock: 6192 MHz

Radeon HD 6970 ( Temp ?? C Oced )
MW2 1920*1200 147
BC2 1920*1200 60

Radeon HD 6970 :

Temp : 80C at Stock Clock Speed
GPU power consumption : ~ 207 Watts

GeForce GTX 570 :

Temp : 77C at Stock Clock Speed
GPU power consumption : ~ 213 Watts

Radeon HD 6950 :

Temp : 77C at Stock Clock Speed
GPU power consumption : ~ 158 Watts

Radeon HD 5870 :

Temp : 77C at Stock Clock Speed
GPU power consumption : ~ 209 Watts

Benchmark Resolution : 1920*1200

COD MW2 DX9 :

GTX 570 > HD6970 > HD 6950 > HD 5870

FC2 DX 10 :

GTX 570 > HD6970 > HD 6950 > HD 5870

Anno 1404 :

HD6970 > HD6950 > HD 5870 > GTX 570

Crysis Warhead :

HD6970 > GTX 570 > HD6950 > HD5870

3DMark Vantage :

GTX 570 > HD6970 > HD 5870 > HD6950

Metro 2033 : DX11 PhysyX off

HD6970 > GTX 570 > HD6950 > HD5870

DiRT 2 :

GTX 570 > HD6970 > HD 5870 > HD6950

BFBC2 :

HD6970 = GTX 570 > HD 5870 > HD6950

3D Mark 11 :

HD6970 > GTX 570 > HD6950 > HD5870

( All benches based on guru3d )

Here goes the prices :

Guys, one good news for you, guess...Ya, you are correct, the pricing of HD 6950 and HD 6970 in India. Got this from Tech enclave dealer's paradise.

HIS HD 6950: 18.5K
HIS HD 6970: 22.5K
Check here

Power Color HD 6970: 22.6K
Check over here.

More Benches : ( Based on toms hw )

Lost Planet 2 :

GTX 570 > HD6970 > HD 6950 > HD 5870

Just Cause 2 (DX11)

HD6970 > HD 5870 > HD6950 = GTX 570

Aliens Vs. Predator (DX11)

HD6970 > GTX 570 = HD 5870 > HD6950

 

[clear_lot]

^ so whats the conclusion?

 

[damngoodman999]

^ so whats the conclusion?

we should choose the conclusion , HD 6950 is better Buy & VLM but if it was 17K it wub be gr8

I am sure gona wait up there is no good game will be releasing up to one month , only jan 25 DEAD SPACE .. so waiting is Worth !

 

[Joker]

verdict is...HD 6970 = GTX 570...at the same price which is 22.5k i'd go with the nvidia's offfering.

GTX 580 remains the fastest single gpu card...although still slower than hd 5970 but i'll again go with nvidia's offering cuz it is single gpu.

no competition to AMD in the midrange section....it is beefed up with HD 6850, HD 6870 and HD 6950. also very very improved crossfire scaling with the new AMD GPUs...almost double performance.

 

[clear_lot]

6970=570
i will go with 570 as it runs cooler and quiter.

 

[Ishu Gupta]

^
and for CUDA (Physx too).

 

[vickybat]

6970=570
i will go with 570 as it runs cooler and quiter.

Great choice. GO FOR IT. Try the msi version.

 

[aby geek]

@vickybat i meant to ask that 6970 cf is only weaker to 5970 cf and asus ares for radeon cards.

so am i right red team only has 2 cards better then that?

and how much do drivers count in for the performance extraction in this comparision.

 

[vickybat]

@ aby geek

Well buddy the 5970 is a dual gpu and its made up of two 5850's on a single pcb. The ares is a customized card made by asus which is a combination of two 5870's. Now since both these cards are dual gpu's, you cannot compare them with a 6970 as its a single card. Crossfiring a 5970 or ares means 4 gpu's running simultaneously against two gpu's of a 6970cf. So a 5970cf or ares cf will beat 6970cf(they won't scale as good as 6970cf) but it will take up costs way beyond especially with ares.

They can be compared against amd's upcoming 6990(read antiles) which is a dual gpu and will be definitely powerful than a 5970 or ares.

Nvidia is also coming up with their dual gpu solution still unnamed but hopefully GTX 595. Early leaks and rumors suggest it of having two gf110 chips most probably the gtx 580.

 

[aby geek]

uff who told you to cf 5970 and ares , they are dual already i know so how much does a 6970 cf hold against a single 5970/ares.

i dont know why ifeel 6990 will be weaker than 5970 may be by 1% but weaker.

 

[vickybat]

u oh you mentioned 5970cf so ithought two 5970's! lol

Okay two 6970's will beat a single 5970 and ares fair and square in all benchmarks. 5970 is set to retire and will be succeeded by 6990. And rest assured cause the 6990 will be a clear winner as it will have two 6950 chips. 6950cf is also way ahead of a single 5970 and ares.

Check this and this

 

[topgear]

Some more from my observation : ( considering only single gpu setup )

12 Benchmarks : @ stock speed HD 6950 vs. HD5870

HD 6950 ( winner in 7 ) > HD 5870 ( winner in 5 )

The price of HD 5870 is lower but the power consumption is way too high anyway.

lowest prices ( as found on newegg ) :

HD 6970 $369.99 > GTX 570 $349.99 > HD 6950 $299.99 > HD 5870 $269.99 > ( GTX 470 $239.99 = HD 6870 for ref. only )

12 Benchmarks : @ stock speed HD 6970 vs. GTX 570

HD 6970 ( winner in 6 ) > 570 ( winner in 5 ) ( Tie 1 BFBC2 )

But In OC ( 2 Benchmarks ) : GTX 570 > HD 6970

and temp Results :

HD 6970 > GTX 570 ( lower is better )

Performance wise GTX 570 = HD 6970 ( according to benchmarks mentioned in this post ) but GTX 570 price is lower and also it runs a little cooler.

In DX11 titles : ( Total 7 )

HD 6970 wins 4 DX 11 title

GTX 570 Wins 2 DX 11 Title

DX 11 title Tie : 1 ( BFBC2 )

But when Oced GTX outperformed HD 6970 in BFBC2

HD 5870 Wins 4 DX 11 Title and HD 6950 wins 3 Dx 11 title

 

[clear_lot]

@aby geek

uff who told you to cf 5970 and ares , they are dual already i know so how much does a 6970 cf hold against a single 5970/ares.

i dont know why ifeel 6990 will be weaker than 5970 may be by 1% but weaker.

6970> 5870

6970cf >> 5970. due to much better cf scaling.