AMD Bulldozer News and Discussion

mrcool63

Journeyman
Intel said so with the sandy's HD 3000 IGP.. but still amd trouced it.. for embedded gpu's intel still has a lot of work to do to catch up... Amd is much much better in that process..

Sandy benefiting from windows 8 will be comparatively less than BD.. BD will show much more improvement over sandy as they are saying BD will be optimized for win8 especially with the instruction sets... however will it be able to beat 2600k then is still a 40-60 chance.. my guess will be no.. it may improve drastically but beating 2600k in its present state may be hard..
 

vickybat

I am the night...I am...
Might be a big leap by Intel's standard. ;)

True but once intel sets standards ,it gives competition a tough time. What they said so far has been true unlike amd.

Intel said so with the sandy's HD 3000 IGP.. but still amd trouced it.. for embedded gpu's intel still has a lot of work to do to catch up... Amd is much much better in that process..

Sandy benefiting from windows 8 will be comparatively less than BD.. BD will show much more improvement over sandy as they are saying BD will be optimized for win8 especially with the instruction sets... however will it be able to beat 2600k then is still a 40-60 chance.. my guess will be no.. it may improve drastically but beating 2600k in its present state may be hard..

Yup it has a lot of hard work to do. But you never know.... a company as powerful as intel can easily acquire firms like nvidia. If in future this ever happens, then tables might turn. Amd's gpu section is its strongest weapon now.

To beat it in its own game, a strong merger or acquisition like the above is necessary and there's always a probability.

I think intel will make something like the cell cpu after the failure of its larrabee project.
 
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Cilus

Cilus

laborare est orare
Vicky, believe it or not, in integrated GPU business, Intel simply sucks and nothing have been working for them till now. In fact couple of years earlier they tried to challenge Nvidia (in times of launching the 8000 series GPU) with their Larabee project, developing a 16 core design where each of the cores can execute both CPU and GPU tasks and can increase IGP performance in a dedicated GPU level. But that project failed badly and Ibtel had to dump the larabee concept because the architecture was too much to even for Intel to develope and was not feasible in terms of price also.
In IGP segment AMD has shown far fast growth than Intel and they are way ahead in terms of performance, architecture and price point. In fact their architecture is true fusion, Intel's architecture is not. The Intel HD 2000/3000 IGP is just a Graphics core, not at all any fused design, completely separated from the CPU cores but just put inside a single die. They also work in the same way a mobo based IGP works, reserving some portion of the Ram for GPU calculation.
on the other hand AMD Fusion is a heterogeneous core design, multiple cores are present inside a Die, some of them are CPU cores and some are GPU cores and they use common memory access logic. In fact you're the one who provided me the link where it is shown that AMD may replace the FPU of its processor with a GPU core as GPU is far more powerful than CPU while executing floating point instructions. In fact this architecture has several advantages as here you both kind of cores (CPU and GPU cores) can help each other by sharing the resources and executing the parts where one is better than other. As a result while performing GPU based computing, CPU cores can help GPU to decode and execute complex and scalar instructions and GPU cores can help CPU by executing the parallel and vector instructions.

BTW, here is another review of FX series with couple of more games tested:
*www.techspot.com/review/452-amd-bulldozer-fx-cpus/
 
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sukesh1090

Adam young
^^piledriver will be BD with gpu.isn't it?then in pile driver we can surely say that the performance will very good when compared to BD as gpu cores will help the cpu in its work.
 

Skud

Super Moderator
Staff member
Found this mobo review, might be helpful. Give some more insight to BD's strength and weaknesses:-

MSI 990FXA-GD80 AM3+ Motherboard


Still waiting for a review of high end gaming. May be 2 systems of same price from Intel and AMD camp, instead of same hardware config. This might get interesting.
 
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vickybat

I am the night...I am...
^^piledriver will be BD with gpu.isn't it?then in pile driver we can surely say that the performance will very good when compared to BD as gpu cores will help the cpu in its work.

No mate pile driver is a pure cpu. Trinity is an apu and will have bulldozer cores.

What cilus said might become a possibility in future but definitely not in piledriver.
 

max_snyper

Maximum Effort!!!!!!
Here comes the IVY-BRIDGE......spring 2012....not so far away!!!!
Link: Intel to Sell Ivy Bridge Late in Q4 2011
 

sukesh1090

Adam young
Found this mobo review, might be helpful. Give some more insight to BD's strength and weaknesses:-

MSI 990FXA-GD80 AM3+ Motherboard


Still waiting for a review of high end gaming. May be 2 systems of same price from Intel and AMD camp, instead of same hardware config. This might get interesting.

thats a nice performance by 8150 in their.in about 75% of the test it is above 2500k or match with 2500k when over clocked.so 8150 is a very good buy if it's price is around 10-10.5k.if they can still increase its performance by revisions then they can sell it around 12-12.5k.
 
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Cilus

Cilus

laborare est orare
What SKUD is trying to convery that the Price of a specific processor revision normally has same price as the non revison or old versions. So if a initial version of FX8150 is available @ 10.5K the next revision should be available at the same price, not in higher price point. Consider the case of Phenom II X4 955 125W and C3 revison version with 95W TDP as example. Both are available at same price point.
 

Skud

Super Moderator
Staff member
Thanks Cilus for taking the trouble on behalf of me. Exactly what I was trying to convey. They may sell a 8160/8170 at higher price point but not the 8150 after debuting it at a particular price point.

That 955 reminds me, 8120 is in a similar position.

Also found this OC test:-

AMD's FX-8150 further overclocked - The Tech Report

Hoping against hope:-

Oddly enough, the benchmarks we selected months ago for our overclocking performance tests seem to be pretty well suited to the Bulldozer architecture. Thus, turning up the clock frequency allows the FX-8150 to put up some really nice numbers, tying or beating a Core i7-2600K overclocked to 4.5GHz in several cases. There are some pain points here, such as the difference in single-threaded Cinebench performance between the FX-8150 at 4.7GHz and the Core i5-2500K at stock (scores of 1.16 vs. 1.48, respectively). Still, had Bulldozer landed at frequencies north of 4.5GHz within conventional power envelopes, the competitive landscape might look rather different. Indeed, if GlobalFoundries can manage to refine its 32-nm fabrication process to allow such speeds in the coming months, who knows?
 

sukesh1090

Adam young
oh.thanks.then lets wait and see what AMD will do.btw is BD available in the market?does AMD supplying BD ?
^^now looks like power consumption is the only problem.btw thanks for the links.
 
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Skud

Super Moderator
Staff member
If anyone still can't enough, here's rumor of B3 stepping:- ;)

AnandTech - AMD Working on Bulldozer B3 Stepping
 

topgear

Super Moderator
Staff member
^^ nice find ... ;-)

No timeframe for the update is known but if the past has any meaning, it won't be anytime soon. For example C3 stepping came about 9 months after the original release of Phenom II X4 with C2 stepping.

we need BullDozer cpus with B3 Stepping more earlier this time ;-)
 

Skud

Super Moderator
Staff member
Actually if my memory serves me right, AMD was reportedly working for B3 stepping as they had no plan to release B1/B2 due to clock speed issues. Looks like they are stuck somewhere. We can only hope this to be Radeon 2900XT equivalent. AMD has a history of striking back when down. Hope they will continue to add to it.
 

Tech_Wiz

Wise Old Owl
Yeah I also recall reading that AMD will Come Up with a B3 at start.

ps: BD is no more in List of Upgrade List till I get something more convincing. Heck if it could OC to 5 GHz on Air I would have bough it :mad:.
Stepping changes if history repeats will help push OC limits higher by a couple hundred MHz.
 

sukesh1090

Adam young
^^buddy overclocking BD is still not a problem,people are able to overclock 4.4-4.5GHz with stock cooler. if you get a good air cooler then you will be able to go upto 4.8-4.9GHz,may be even up to 5.0GHz.
btw very good news.lets hope B3 stepping rocks.
 

Skud

Super Moderator
Staff member
^^buddy overclocking BD is still not a problem,people are able to overclock 4.4-4.5GHz with stock cooler. if you get a good air cooler then you will be able to go upto 4.8-4.9GHz,may be even up to 5.0GHz.
btw very good news.lets hope B3 stepping rocks.


Problem is not the overclocking capability, but the scaling and power usage - both of which are not favorable at this moment.
 
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