1962 -The India china WAR revisited!

vaithy

In the zone
To day the politicians are celebrating(remembering) the sacrifices of 4000 Indians soldiers and officers perished in the ice coffins of Himalayas...For 50 years they constantly refused to acknowledged the wanton life lost and Heroic sacrifices made by our brave soldiers.
“I remember many a time when our senior generals came to us, and wrote to the defence ministry saying that they wanted certain things… If we had had foresight, known exactly what would happen, we would have done something else… what India has learnt from the Chinese invasion is that in the world of today there is no place for weak nations… We have been living in an unreal world of our own creation.”-Indian Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru in Rajya Sabha, in 1963,

The defeat in the 1962 border war made him realise that there is indeed no place for weak nations in the world politics.

“In the political and diplomatic fields too, significant changes came through the 1962 episode, bringing more realism,” notes the official Indian history of the border war between India and China.

The India-China war was an eye-opener for India. But even after 50 years, the people of India are not aware of the circumstances and reasons that led to India’s defeat.

It is not China’s betrayal that led to India’s defeat..From 1960 itself various military inputs suggest unusual Chinese military in the northern NEFA border. It is Nehru’s belief, and Menon’s arrogance, coupled with his crony general’s tactical mistake,and Indian political leadership decision not to use Indian Air force led to these bloodshed.

4000 officers and solders perished and for 50 years we constantly refused to acknowledge their sacrifices,
Let us revisit the one tragic battlefield

Last moments of 4th Rajput
Lagyala Gompa, the last monastery is located on a high feature overlooking the
Morshing Valley as well as the route Lt Col Bramhanand Avasthywas taking. There was a plateau just
before it made its steep climb to the monastery. It was an ideal killing field.
Unfortunately a 500 strong Chinese unit had already moved in behind and one
group was waiting in ambush at Lagyala Gompa. As Avasthy and his approached
the Gompa they came under heavy fire from the Chinese. Avasthy and his men
hit back. They could have probably chosen to fall back and look for another way
around but decided to fight the Chinese. Although lacking heavy firepower
Avasthy launched a 2 pronged counter attack. The battle was fierce and the
Chinese annoyed by the casualties they were taking tried to isolate Avasthy and
cut him off. But Avasthy’s men surrounded their gallant leader and fought to the
bitter end. Finally it came down to hand to hand combat and after a few hours the

Chinese prevailed. The battlefield was a ghastly sight. Over 200 Chinese bodies
and 126 Indian bodies littered the area. Every Indian was killed or wounded ie
100 percent casualties. Among them were Avasthy and his fellow officers. A
shepherd boy who later became the Head Lama of the monastery is the only
witness to this heroic episode. The Chinese dug a mass grave for the Indians and
left a flattened ration tin with the names of the officers. After the ceasefire the
bodies were retrieved. Avasthy’s body was found with a blood soaked letter to his
wife.
A company led by Major KPP Nair some how find this mass grave and identifies the corpes.

It is an irony that the war started and ended with Rajput battalions bearing the
brunt of Chinese attacks. In Lt Col Bramhanand Avasthy the Regiment and the
Indian Army lost one of its finest officers.

courtesy:http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/LAND-FORCES/History/196…
 

ajaymailed

In the zone
It was after 1962 defeat, our Military actually started decent buildup in larger numbers, better weapons, equipment , which helped a lot in 1965 & 71 conflicts with Pakistan. It needed sacrifices of thousands of soldiers to realise we were unprepared, under equipped, outnumbered. Panicked Govt will never think of introducing Air Power, they would fear PLAAF Aircraft over Delhi which is pretty overwhelming and would take the war to whole new level.
 
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icebags

Technomancer
1962 was the result of poor management, infrastructure and bad decision taking capability of middle + top level management at the government side. It's good to know people and government are now aware of these problems, but there are still a long way to go to build up a decent defensive wall at the china border. May be a shock therapy like that was needed to break our government's sleep.
Salute to those who fought with what they had, in spite of all the lacking to protect our country. :(
 
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vaithy

In the zone
For some reason, I do not see any gallantry in this. Rushing to die seems stupid.

don't think so!
Lt Col Bramhanand Avasthy 's units was in best position to defend his formation, but a rout in sela pass Indian patrols, led to Brigade HQ issuing a confused decision to withdraw all their units, including Avasthy. Avasthy was asked to provide covering fire, so his fellow units to escape, See the folowing naration how his troops traped without any sight of escape..
The C company less a platoon was pulled back from Lubrang and deployed on Pt 2898.
B company under Major Mullay had occupied Gompacher.
Meanwhile the confused decision had been arrived to withdraw from Sela. The
analysis of this decision is another chapter by itself. Suffice to say it was
characterised by utter confusion. With 62 Infantry Brigade falling back from Sela
it looks like Awasthi decided to defend Bridge 1 to allow the brigade and
remnants from 4th Division to retreat. At 0730 hrs on 18th morning the HQ 65th
Infantry Brigade asked the battalion to withdraw.
A little later Battalion HQ asked D company to fall back to Headquarters are near Sapper Camp. By the time the
Battalion HQ decided to withdraw they had elements of B company, elements of C
company and D company. This group consisted of seven officers. In addition to Lt
Col Avasthy it included Major Trilok Nath, Major Y Tandon, Captain Dayal Singh,
Captain SK Mitra, Lieutenant DS Drar and Second Lieutenant Chatrapati Singh.
4th Rajput units had fought cohesively to allow the men in the north in Se La to
fall back. Avasthy and his men waited for as much time as possible holding of
sporadic Chinese attacks. 62nd Brigade never came – its broken elements had
already filtered through other routes. Finally Avasthy pulled back to Lubrang
destroying any stores that could not be carried back. From there he moved to
Phudung joined by various stragglers. The party soon swelled. Many of them
wounded had to be carried. Avasthy himself was carrying the medic who was
snow blinded. This force reached Priyadung, where they saw that the track
bifurcated to Morshing. One side climbed towards an old monastery Lagyala
Gompa and the other followed a stream towards Morshing. With stories of local
guides misleading units and delivering them to Chinese ambushes fresh in their
minds there was some discussion on which route to take. For some reason
Avasthy and his Rajputs took the route to Lagyala Gompa.

I start with my post only with last part, ' how Avasthy and his unit met their end. above qoute is the first part then you have to read the main post.sorry for the confusion caused
 

bubusam13

Human
Hopeless.... come to Arunachal Pradesh border areas and you will know why I say it hopeless. On the other side of LOC China is building roads, army base, airports, why, why they need them in LOC. What is India Govt. doing?
If the Govt. is really realizing it, leave corruption and strengthen border if you don't want to loose another 4000, may be this time its higher since china's weapon technology has improved a lot.

P.S. Salute to the martyrs
 

CommanderShawnzer

Steam High Templar
*Salutes Dead Soldiers*
@bubusam :no they are just more intrested to fill thier own pockets
@desmondavid : i agree
surrendering or running away seems a more intelligent and tactical battle plan :rolleyes:
 

Desmond

Destroy Erase Improve
Staff member
Admin
*Salutes Dead Soldiers*
@bubusam :no they are just more intrested to fill thier own pockets
@desmondavid : i agree
surrendering or running away seems a more intelligent and tactical battle plan :rolleyes:

Not exactly surrendering, but at least retreating. This way, you will still be at full strength to counter attack.
 

ajaymailed

In the zone
i think we did retreat, thats why we lost Aksai Chin in J&K and Arunachal Pradesh to China. Chinese withdrew from Arunachal because their supply line could not be established in difficult arunachal terrain holding line would be pretty difficult, they withdrew because of possible indian counterattack. This is what they claim, but it still remains a mystery to me.

The units which got trapped & surrounded had to either surrender or continue to fight hoping for some kind of rescue. unlike shown in bollywood movies, Soldiers do think about surviving/surrender and not just sacrificing their lives blindly. If surrendering as POW means severe torture at the enemy hands, its probably better to die early.

At the end of the day it all in the hands of Commanding Officer, the Jawans will happily die if asked to, no questions asked. Its the responsibility of CO to lead his fellow soliders & complete the mission with minimal casualties.
 

funskar

Padawan
It was all due to Pt nehru.
He should have listened to iron man of india..
And the shameless words by vk krishna.
 

d3p

PowerHouse
Hopeless.... come to Arunachal Pradesh border areas and you will know why I say it hopeless. On the other side of LOC China is building roads, army base, airports, why, why they need them in LOC. What is India Govt. doing?
If the Govt. is really realizing it, leave corruption and strengthen border if you don't want to loose another 4000, may be this time its higher since china's weapon technology has improved a lot.

P.S. Salute to the martyrs

At worse, if India & china ever going for a battle again, then i'm sure we going to lose more than earlier. We have lost 4,000 Martyrs earlier, this time we will lose 4,00,000 Soldiers with a blink of an eye.

Why ?? Yindian politics is another stab....Entire nations development related money is lying with Swiss Bank also known as BLACK MONEY.

Corruption is not also limited to Politicians these days, aam-aadmi is also corrupted & GREEDY too.

"Pay me, i will vote...Pay me, i will provide information..Pay me, i will take everything upon my a$$..Pay me, i will die & kill innocent lives."

If this ^^ continues, that's "THE END" for the entire nation.
 
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bubusam13

Human
Do you know last time it was becuse of Russia that India won. Chinese reached Tezpur, just 4 hours away from Guwahati. Had they reached Guwahati, whole NE region would have been under chinese now.
 

ssdivisiongermany1933

Still in war with allies
At worse, if India & china ever going for a battle again, then i'm sure we going to lose more than earlier. We have lost 4,000 Martyrs earlier, this time we will lost 4,00,000 Soldiers with a blink of an eye.

Why ?? Yindian politics is another stab....Entire nations development related money is lying with Swiss Bank also known as BLACK MONEY.

Corruption is not also limited to Politicians these days, aam-aadmi is also corrupted & GREEDY too.

"Pay me, i will vote...Pay me, i will provide information..Pay me, i will take everything upon my a$$..Pay me, i will die & kill innocent lives."

If this ^^ continues, that's "THE END" for the entire nation.

May be more than that and lot territories also including sikkim and arunachal pradesh and if Pakistan opens a front in West (most probably it will open) ,kashmir too will be gone ,hopefully war doesn't happen in future

@ D3p
you right everyone emerges from general public only
 

d3p

PowerHouse
Ignorance is Bliss....May be these are those precious words, which Yindians had ever taken so much seriously.

Example :
There's a war going on between India with Neighboring country.

Politicians busy with looting PM's Fund & President's. Store / Throw every penny inside Swiss Account, without thinking what next day has to offer for them.
Opposition party is busy with finding loop holes, which can take the entire ruling govt down & the party chief can become Prime Minister & build the govt.

One third of the nation is busy with silly talks like "Oh...India is in War"as if its a child play. Another one third is busy flooding comments on Facebook/Twitter/My Space/Youtube etc. etc.. Millionaire/Billionaire playboys are busy in investing/bidding/betting/watching IPL. Worst case take a vacation outside India.

Anti Social Activity Specialists like Baba Ramdev will surely go on Fasting with Anna Hazaare seeking support from Facebook & twitter users against the term called as "WAR". Coz YIndia is a Peace Loving Nation.

Peace my a$$...India might be a peace loving nations, but don't go wrong with Yindians.

Nationwide the news channels will show "Saif having sex with a street dog" or "Worm found from the KFC's Chicken", but hardly anyone morns about a Soldier or Entire Village/Town getting ripped off. Few Journalist will dare to show what is happening in the battlefield in a show called "Direct from the Battlefield" & later might be awarded for the brave act.

^^ Are you kidding me, bravery act ?? These are the first persons, who should be killed during the telecast..........

Top to bottom, everything runs with MONEY in our nation. But you commit a sh!t, others will surely lecture about Values & Prosperity.

If its all about Values & Human Rights, then why Kasab is still in Jail. He should have been sent free to his own Country long time back.

If its all about Vengence, then there won't be any Pak in the World Map, Since the Kargill War.

But the fact is always a fact......The Entire System relies on Money....not on any other sh!t.

More they get, the more the remain silence. Doesn't matter whether its in Pounds or dollars.
 
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