Will Wii u meet the same fate of Sega Dreamcast

Will Wii u meet the same fate of Sega Dreamcast


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vickybat

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This thread isn't meant for any flaming or debatable discussions. Its more like a public opinion and what people think about the aforementioned console's fate.

This came to my mind after i stumbled across the following article:

Should Nintendo Quit Consoles?

How many people have the same views as that of the guy who wrote the above article? I'm starting a public poll, so people can cast their vote to reflect their opinion.

For starters, here's a quick info about sega dreamcast with its entire history, along with the company responsible for its downfall.

Sega Dreamcast

Is wii u heading in the same direction or it really holds a chance against sony and microsoft's upcoming behemoths?
 

CommanderShawnzer

Steam High Templar
Is wii u heading in the same direction or it really holds a chance against sony and microsoft's upcoming behemoths?

Meh.Wii U will co-exist with $ony/M$ next-gen consoles.just like Wii co-exists with the ps3 and xbox
I bet the average PS4 owner in late 2014 will already have a Wii U in his cabinet.
 

anirbandd

Conversation Architect
i dont know why a gamer would even buy a Wii. all the AA-AAA games that have been published in the past few years have been release in either of 3 platforms, PC/XBox/PS.

so why buy Wii? all the games that i know for Wii are overtly childish and immature, with the exception of a few.

So yes.. it will die a slow death.
 

CommanderShawnzer

Steam High Templar
Incidentally,the OP,and the people who have voted here own PS3's ;-)

Nice Artice
The argument: Nintendo should stop making consoles. Their games are great and their franchises hugely popular. They could make a fortune selling Zelda games on the PS3 and 360.

Why it’s dumb: Seriously? The company that created the hugely successful DS and the hugely successful Wii needs to get out of the console business? Why would Nintendo stop doing something it’s very successful at?
 
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snap

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i wish not because it offer different type of gameplay, its like a complimentary console as commander said.
 
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vickybat

vickybat

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I would like it if you would add a third option in you poll


I don't give a **** about the Wii U :)

Hahahaha :lol:

Oh i missed that option. Lets see if i can request a mod to add that. :)
Anyway mate, cast a vote if possible.

On a side note, the article is indeed a good one. But it just has to be seen if all of them are applicable in current scenario.

The following is from wii u's wiki page:

In January 2013, the Wii U sold 57,000 units in the US.[125] By comparison, the original Wii sold 435,000 in January 2007, also 2 months after launch.[126] Initial sales numbers in the US and other territories were lower than expected, resulting in Nintendo cutting sales projections for FY 2013 by 17 percent, from 5.5 million to 4 million.[127] This has left some critics questioning the future of Nintendo, describing the Wii U as putting Nintendo in "trouble" and suggesting that Nintendo possibly should move out of the hardware sector.

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Extreme Gamer

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Hahahaha :lol:

Oh i missed that option. Lets see if i can request a mod to add that. :)
Anyway mate, cast a vote if possible.

On a side note, the article is indeed a good one. But it just has to be seen if all of them are applicable in current scenario.

The following is from wii u's wiki page:

In January 2013, the Wii U sold 57,000 units in the US.[125] By comparison, the original Wii sold 435,000 in January 2007, also 2 months after launch.[126] Initial sales numbers in the US and other territories were lower than expected, resulting in Nintendo cutting sales projections for FY 2013 by 17 percent, from 5.5 million to 4 million.[127] This has left some critics questioning the future of Nintendo, describing the Wii U as putting Nintendo in "trouble" and suggesting that Nintendo possibly should move out of the hardware sector.

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Accurate figures, but do note that the Wii's launch had a LOT of strong titles. Wii U's launch is similar, but worse than the PS3 launch. There are not many core titles (i.e. titles you buy a console for) available as of now, so it will take them 2014 to ramp up the sales rate. I think the Wii U will have stronger sales, but a year or so later. Do note the comparative degree in the adjective, so I'm not saying that the sales will be awesome.

So will Wii U meet Sega Dreamcast fate? No. Besides, the consoles launched before the Wii U are huge bestsellers, no denying that, while the Dreamcast had a string of failures before it :)

No need to debate what I said. All I'm doing is letting my reasons be known.
 

heidi2521

Padawan
To add to what Extreme Gamer said, the Dreamcast was not supported by a massively successful handheld, didn't have the backing of a company with $10bn in the bank and its main franchises were nowhere as powerful as Nintendos.

If Sega hadn't gone bankrupt, the Dreamcast would have been one of the best consoles ever with awesome first party titles like Sonic Adventure, Shenmue, Panzer Dragoon and Crazy Taxi(so far it looks like the Wii U is emulating the Dreamcast in this aspect at least).

BTW, one more reason it wouldn't make sense for Nintendo to leave the hardware business would be that it makes tons of money through licensing and accessories. They would lose that and would have to pay royalties to the platform holder if they left the business which would hurt their margins. Their developers would lose the freedom they get because M$ony would gain a lot of leverage over Nintendo causing them to leave en masse, not unlike Sega.

And never count on Nintendo to not turn things around. They managed to let a console that massive beast out of the gate get beaten up bad(N64), They turned a handheld console which wasn't selling much into a phenomenon that put them in a spot that they still haven't lost(Gameboy), turned a lukewarm console into the best selling console of all time(NDS) and their latest handheld which did abysmally out of the gate is on track to become the best selling console of all time(3DS).

Nintendo's best games simply wouldn't work on other consoles either. The DS ones are obvious, SM64 & OoT wouldn't be the same it they lost their open world feel and were heavily segmented due to long disc read and load times on the PSX, SMG/SS/MP3 etc. would not be the same if they didn't have motion/pointer controls, SSBM wouldn't work well without the c-stick placement with quick d-pad accessibility etc .

And unlike Sega, they have a massive anime and manga franchise under their belt to support them incase their consoles fail(Pokemon).

Not trying to flame but, remember that little console known as the 3DS which was going to be crushed by the PS Vita when it came out(after all it had more powerful hardware, no expensive gimmick(other than the rear touchpad) and had good western 3rd party support unlike the 3DS)?

The Wii U also has a high attach rate with little more than two games per console already. NSMBU has already sold more than 2mn meaning that ~60% Wii U owners own the game, making it the highest attach rate ever for a non bundled game. This means that Nintendo is already profitable per unit sold. Unlike the Sega during the Dreamcast days which was downsizing, Nintendo has been on a massive hiring spree lately hinting that either something big or a lot of games are underworks.
 
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heidi2521

Padawan
I will buy the 32GB Wii U when it comes on FK/Game4U

Provided they have Monster Hunter 3 U available too :grin:

Why not get it from Europe then? It will be cheaper(even after including customs and shipping) and you will get the exact same amount of warranty(none). There is a retailer(a quite massive and reliable one) that doesn't charge VAT on international orders and offers handle customs itself. Not naming it in this post to not violate rules on advertising.
 

CommanderShawnzer

Steam High Templar
Why not get it from Europe then? It will be cheaper(even after including customs and shipping) and you will get the exact same amount of warranty(none). There is a retailer(a quite massive and reliable one) that doesn't charge VAT on international orders and offers handle customs itself. Not naming it in this post to not violate rules on advertising.
Name pls. it does not violate any rules.
 

heidi2521

Padawan
Name pls. it does not violate any rules.


Amazon EU SARL. Compare the prices across various amazons before buying due to different prices, vat levels and shipping rates. Amazon will handle all customs for you in the AmazonGlobal shipping options. They refund any extra they take as a deposit and swallow the extras themselves if overcharged :)

If you want to buy a single game i'd recommend ozgameshop because they offer free shipping to india :). Amazons vat non charge makes up for it though when ordering multiple games.

I've never been charged customs for the games myself although i was charged customs for the consoles.
 
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vickybat

vickybat

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^^ How much did you shell out for the wii u in total? I mean in INR.
I would ballpark around 20 grand including shipping and customs. Or is it more?

Do you have the pro controller? Heard the pad controller has very bad battery backup.
I guess its around 3.5-4hrs? Isn't that a hindrance when gaming for long hours?
 

heidi2521

Padawan
^^ How much did you shell out for the wii u in total? I mean in INR.
I would ballpark around 20 grand including shipping and customs. Or is it more?

Do you have the pro controller? Heard the pad controller has very bad battery backup.
I guess its around 3.5-4hrs? Isn't that a hindrance when gaming for long hours?

I shelled out 23k - 25k in total including a single game. The rupee was much weaker at that time though. And right now it costs ~20 euro less than what I paid on Amazon.

I don't have a pro controller. The only game that I have where it would be beneficial would be TTT2WIIUE so I thought it wasn't worth buying.

The game pad lasts me 4-5 hours in full charge. It isn't much of a problem as that is the maximum length of my gaming session. It comes with a convenient charging cradle so it is pretty much always completely charged when I decide to pick it up. And the charging wire is extremely long so it isn't really an inconvenience to plug it in while playing.

@commandershawnzer there is a Monster Hunter bundle available in Europe that comes with a pro controller and the game in cause you are interested.
 

gameranand

Living to Play
i dont know why a gamer would even buy a Wii. all the AA-AAA games that have been published in the past few years have been release in either of 3 platforms, PC/XBox/PS.

so why buy Wii? all the games that i know for Wii are overtly childish and immature, with the exception of a few.

So yes.. it will die a slow death.

Nintendo consoles are never meant for hardcore gamers. Its more of a family entertainment thing. The Nintendo's Founder vision was a complete family entertainment using games. :)
 

heidi2521

Padawan
Nintendo consoles are never meant for hardcore gamers. Its more of a family entertainment thing. The Nintendo's Founder vision was a complete family entertainment using games. :)

What?

Are you saying Nintendo's founder envisioned family entertainment using games all the way back in 1889 more than 50 years before the first video games appeared?

And as I have pointed out in other threads, Nintendo consoles are meant for hardcore gamers too. They focused heavily on casuals in the early days of the Wii, but that does not mean that they are not meant for hardcore gamers.

i dont know why a gamer would even buy a Wii. all the AA-AAA games that have been published in the past few years have been release in either of 3 platforms, PC/XBox/PS.

so why buy Wii? all the games that i know for Wii are overtly childish and immature, with the exception of a few.

So yes.. it will die a slow death.

They would buy a Wii to play these games:

*www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/available/wii/metascore?view=condensed
 

CommanderShawnzer

Steam High Templar
i dont know why a gamer would even buy a Wii. all the AA-AAA games that have been published in the past few years have been release in either of 3 platforms, PC/XBox/PS.

so why buy Wii? all the games that i know for Wii are overtly childish and immature, with the exception of a few.

So yes.. it will die a slow death.

People who like Wii exclusives will buy the Wii
Pirates will buy only a gaming PC
Indian Dudebro collegians will get a PS3
 
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