Windows Explorer vs Mac OS X Finder

[aryayush]

No, you are wrong and goobimama is right, IMHO. Resolution independence means that no matter what the resolution of the screen is, the user interface elements of the operating system will always have the same size. This includes, but is not limited to, the mouse pointer, menu bar, taskbar, buttons, icons, etc. For example, a 128 pixel icon will have the same size on both a 1680x1050 resolution 17-inch screen and a 1900x1200 resolution 17-inch screen. However, it will differ on screens with different sizes. That is why they call it "resolution" independence. It has got nothing to do with the icon sizes. However, Windows Vista is resolution independent and so is Leopard. Tiger isn't.

I do admit though, that I am not absolutely sure what resolution independence it, but I do think that I am right about the basic concept. Maybe someone else who knows about this could clear it up.

 

[sakumar79]

Regarding resolution independence, heres a link to a Wikipedia article:
*en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_independence

I think all are saying the same thing, only slightly differently...
Also, I think gx_saurav is saying (in reply to goobimama's note that all his 128x128 icons are less than 70kb) that in mac, if you want to create an icon and set it for various sizes like 128pix, 64 pix, 32 pix, etc, each will be created as individual bitmaps saved together in one file, and so the file size is large (not for the icon of one size, but for the same icons in various sizes). I dont know if that is true, so, I will let the mac users to say whether the statement is correct or not...

Now regarding drag-and-drop, thanks for the input from goobimama and aryayush... But, like I have stated, I dont have access to a Mac until my brother comes by for a visit (which will probably be next year only). BTW, do you guys know where in Chennai I can try out a Mac? I may be going there in a couple of months, and if I get some spare time, I would like to try out some of the things I am learning here...

@aryayush, I dont open 30 windows, not because of inefficiency of windows, but because I dont need it... Most of the software I use have MDI interface, so theres just one tab on the taskbar even if I have multiple documents... At a time, I dont need to run more than 10 applications simultaneously (typically, there may be less than 5 only). This has nothing to do with windows efficiency of Explorer. Can you give me a list of the 30 windows that you have open?

@aryayush, on a side note, I have noticed that occasionally (three times recently I think) you have put the wrong author name in your quotes (in this and other posts. Just a request to keep the name correct.

Regarding Virtual Desktops: Please confirm if Tiger has a free download for virtual desktops, and if it is their own software or if it is third party. Its not clear what you had said earlier... Personally, I dont mind if the functionality of virtual desktop is available built into the OS or it is available separately, but for this discussion, it is available in Leopard and not in Vista and that should be it. (However, I noticed that Apple was trying to word it as if it was a totally new concept without any mention about the phrase 'virtual desktops'. Also, when I searched for "leopard spaces" in google, the first two links where apple webpages, but the first one was a dead link). And no, I dont expect you to hold their opinion seriously the same way that I dont expect them to hold yours seriously... But I am not interested in that.

The same way that you dont want to consider virtual desktop as it is not a built-in feature of Windows, I think we should not consider megazoomer for the sake of this discussion. I know you did not put it there for the sake of this discussion, but for giving me the info, so thanks for the info.

Regarding running multiple instances, there are very few software (such as Y!) which dont allow you to run multiple instances... They are limitations placed by the software manufacturer and not by Windows. So, I dont think we should discuss it here... Also, the file size of the application depends on the manufacturer. On a side note, I am interested to know the size of the DMG file for Y! compared to the total download size in Windows... Also, is all functionality in Windows version available in Mac version (pc2pc and pc2phone calling, plugins, radio, etc)? I dont use it, but just want to know...

Arun

 

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Both Goobimama and Saurav are right, definition by Goobimama is more precise. Funny thing is you both don't agree with each other while saying the same thing.

 

[gxsaurav]

No, you are wrong and goobimama is right, IMHO. Resolution independence means that no matter what the resolution of the screen is, the user interface elements of the operating system will always have the same size. This includes, but is not limited to, the mouse pointer, menu bar, taskbar, buttons, icons, etc. For example, a 128 pixel icon will have the same size on both a 1680x1050 resolution 17-inch screen and a 1900x1200 resolution 17-inch screen. However, it will differ on screens with different sizes. That is why they call it "resolution" independence. It has got nothing to do with the icon sizes. However, Windows Vista is resolution independent and so is Leopard. Tiger isn't.

You read photoshop right? How is this possible? Let me tell you how. Make some image in Illustrator & sve as .EPS file, That is a vector based icon & if you use it on a high resolution screen it will stretch without any quality loss cos unlike Raster, vector is math based so it can be stretched without quality loss

I do admit though, that I am not absolutely sure what resolution independence it, but I do think that I am right about the basic concept.

Since you don't then better be quite here.

.icns & ico are containers having multiple images of multiple sizes.

This is how a native Windows Vista icon looks like.

*img462.imageshack.us/img462/9207/winrl1.th.jpg

Download here.

This is how a native Mac OS X Icon looks like.

*img462.imageshack.us/img462/962/macpr4.th.jpg

Download here.

Mac size is bigger, & we cannot even remove backword compatibility for OS 9, I mean who uses it now? I can't even slim the icon size.

Now, if you save as PNG well, then it is a different story all together. You need multiple size idvidual png files for multiple states.

I am trying to port some icons to Mac, might help those using bootcamp. Too bad in Mac we cannot set icon for individual file types like in Windows Vista or Windows XP. Its not like just select .sys file & change icon for it in Mac cos .sys is not a registered Mac file format

I just followed few things as said by goobi & Arya. They don't work.

1) Seting an image as the icon for a file or drive or even an icns file

I right clicked to "Get Info" on my Vista Drive, the iDisk icon was the default one. Now, I selected the Windows HD.png file & clicked on the top icon asgoobi said & pasted. This is what happened as shown in the video.

Download Video

2) Arya, look here, where is the "Up" button as asked by iMav?

*img224.imageshack.us/img224/3635/untitledcj6.jpg

The thing we can do in Windows in One click or using one button of mouse, we need to click or mouse button + modifier key on keyboard. Even the righ click menu gives no options

*img442.imageshack.us/img442/1944/untitledlr1.jpg

 

[aryayush]

Dude, you have way too much free time.

Open any image in Safari or any other web browser and copy it from the right click menu. Then open the 'Get Info' window of any file/folder/drive, click on the icon on the top left corner (it will be highlighted in light blue) and paste it. If it does not change, Mac OS X does not like you, and I cannot fault the poor operating system for it.

Also, I think gx_saurav is saying (in reply to goobimama's note that all his 128x128 icons are less than 70kb) that in mac, if you want to create an icon and set it for various sizes like 128pix, 64 pix, 32 pix, etc, each will be created as individual bitmaps saved together in one file, and so the file size is large (not for the icon of one size, but for the same icons in various sizes). I dont know if that is true, so, I will let the mac users to say whether the statement is correct or not...

I don't know why he wants to save pictures of various sizes when just one at the largest size will suffice. I just ran a little check and hardly any icon I have is larger than hundred kilobytes.

BTW, do you guys know where in Chennai I can try out a Mac?

Yes, there are two imagine Apple Premium Resellers. Go to *www.apple.co.in/ and click on 'Where to Buy'.

@aryayush, on a side note, I have noticed that occasionally (three times recently I think) you have put the wrong author name in your quotes (in this and other posts. Just a request to keep the name correct.

I was unaware of it. I'll be more careful now.

Regarding Virtual Desktops: Please confirm if Tiger has a free download for virtual desktops, and if it is their own software or if it is third party. Its not clear what you had said earlier...

Yes, we have (at least) a free software for virtual desktops and a paid one. None from Apple though because whatever software Apple makes, they bundle it by default except the professional applications. There may be more virtual desktop alternatives but I never bothered with them because none of them comes even close to Spaces.

Personally, I dont mind if the functionality of virtual desktop is available built into the OS or it is available separately

I do. I prefer most things to be there by default.

The same way that you dont want to consider virtual desktop as it is not a built-in feature of Windows, I think we should not consider megazoomer for the sake of this discussion. I know you did not put it there for the sake of this discussion, but for giving me the info, so thanks for the info.

Thank you for that last line! I just threw it in there because I use it and there is no problem with it. I did say that even I would prefer to have it there by default as a feature of the operating system. But if I was forced to choose between maximise and zoom, I would choose the latter any day. It is just much more efficient. Plus, you can always maximise manually.

Regarding running multiple instances, there are very few software (such as Y!) which dont allow you to run multiple instances... They are limitations placed by the software manufacturer and not by Windows. So, I dont think we should discuss it here...

We were talking about convenience and even apart from the multiple instances thing, I would assume that you noticed how the Mac way is a lot more convenient.

Also, the file size of the application depends on the manufacturer.

It was not about the file size. It was about the infuriating installing process of Yahoo! Messenger on Windows. Why does it have to download the huge file again and again? It is so frustrating. I know it is not related to Windows though.

On a side note, I am interested to know the size of the DMG file for Y! compared to the total download size in Windows...

No idea.

Also, is all functionality in Windows version available in Mac version (pc2pc and pc2phone calling, plugins, radio, etc)? I dont use it, but just want to know...

Nope, it isn't. Hardly any functionality is available in the Mac version as of now. Yahoo! has promised to have all the functionality in the next version though. At present, Skype is the king. Adium for text, Skype for calling and iChat for audio/video. It is not the perfect solution but in a few months, Trillian is going to launch a new fully-featured, multi-protocol messenger for Mac. Then we'll talk.

 

[gxsaurav]

Open any image in Safari or any other web browser and copy it from the right click menu. Then open the 'Get Info' window of any file/folder/drive, click on the icon on the top left corner (it will be highlighted in light blue) and paste it. If it does not change, Mac OS X does not like you, and I cannot fault the poor operating system for it.

Check the video, I did the same, nothing happened.

I don't know why he wants to save pictures of various sizes when just one at the largest size will suffice. I just ran a little check and hardly any icon I have is larger than hundred kilobytes.

Try using a 128p image for a 16p icon. You will know why we need different states. The current Icon system used in tiger or leopard is again reaster based. Thats why we need different states of PNG in UI like in case of Linux. ICNS & ICO just combines those PNGs (Example) in one container. In case of Vista, we only need 4 states, 16p,24p (for start menu icons only)32p,48p & 256p PNG

I would choose the latter any day. It is just much more efficient. Plus, you can always maximise manually.

If it comes to manual resize, Windows Explorer is better. We can resize from any side.

It was not about the file size. It was about the infuriating installing process of Yahoo! Messenger on Windows. Why does it have to download the huge file again and again? It is so frustrating. I know it is not related to Windows though.

Ever tried looking for alternate sources to get the whole 9 MB installer? Nope, download.com doesn't rings a bell

 

[iMav]

arya has smartly ignored and not replied to the posts where his level of genius has been exposed

 

[gxsaurav]

arya has smartly ignored and not replied to the posts where his level of genius has been exposed

Thats what he always does, cos he is out of articles on the net to copy paste here.

 

[sakumar79]

@aryayush, a few software such as Y! Messenger (and if I remember correctly, Netscape Navigator) had an installer program of small size downloadable first that would then cause the full installation data to be downloaded through the installer's download management tool. This is possibly to help users with dialup connections who may have trouble with cut connections and downloading without special download managers... Netscape had an option where we could instead download the full file separately, and I am guessing that Y!M also has that option, but they dont seem to have made it available (though I did find it elsewhere at *www.softwarepatch.com/software/yahoo-instant-messenger.html ). But, considering that Y! Messenger has much more features in Windows than in Mac, you can expect file sizes to be much different. Having said that, it sounds much cooler to download the installation file and directly start working with the program. Is that the same for all applications or specific to a handful? I ask because some apps in windows also can be run without installation... Also, is there anything like a equivalent to registry in Mac? Any comments on whether it will be useful or not?

BTW, thanks for the info regarding Apple outlets... Turns out there are two reseller stores in Madurai too... I know one of them and it is not too far from my office... I have been there before but dont remember seeing a Mac there... Will have to go there again and check out if they keep macs... If I want to try things out, should I go for reseller store (not sure if they will let me try things out for a long time) or apple authorised service provider or what (options provided on *www.asia.apple.com/buy/locator/ on the second page)

Arun

 

[goobimama]

@Arun: I don't think aarya is trying to say that yahoo messenger is better on the mac than on windows. It isn't. The windows version has far more features. I think the point he is trying to make is the ease of use.

Most mac applications, just need to be dragged to the applications folder (or wherever else you might want to keep apps) and are working from thereon. Only some apps which need to use the inner workings of the OS need to have an "installer". Again, to delete, it just means dragging to the trash (although GX would soon pounce on the few files it leaves behind in the library and such).

The mac equivalent of the registry (actually is way different from the registry) is the library(to my knowledge). Its just a bunch of folders like 'screensavers', 'plugins' 'workflows' and stuff like that. It is nowhere as complicated and messy as the registry.

There is an option to download the yahoo messenger installation file in full, at least on softpedia.com and such, but the point here is not yahoo messenger, it is the way we install apps on the Mac OS and Windows.

As for Apple prices, they have crashed considerably, in that the 24inch iMac is available for like 1.06lac from its original 1.24lac. The 17inch on the other hand is at 54k. Macbooks have also come down.

 

[aryayush]

Only fifty-four thousand for a 17-inch iMac! That's a steal, dude. Where are these guys in Goa getting their Macs from!!

But, considering that Y! Messenger has much more features in Windows than in Mac, you can expect file sizes to be much different.

The file sizes have nothing to do with the discussion at hand and I did not even mention it. Since I took Yahoo! Messenger as an example to illustrate how easy it is to run applications on a Mac, I just threw in that annoying double download process, which is not there in the Mac version. No big deal.
And I don't give a **** about the file sizes. Some applications have larger installers on Windows and others are larger on a Mac. The Mac versions are generally larger because you download the whole application instead of a compressed executable (though DMGs use compression too). But who cares! I don't.

Having said that, it sounds much cooler to download the installation file and directly start working with the program. Is that the same for all applications or specific to a handful? I ask because some apps in windows also can be run without installation...

Roughly, the number of applications on Windows that work without installation is about the same as the number of applications on Mac OS X that require installation. In other words, very few applications on Mac OS X require installation. As an example, out of the sixty-three third party applications I have, only four of them required installation. Throw in six more for some of the hacks, plug-ins and stuff I've installed over the past nine months. I'm sure I haven't seen that installer more than ten times. In short, it is very rare.

Also, is there anything like a equivalent to registry in Mac? Any comments on whether it will be useful or not?

You have the Library folder and the Terminal. No messy Registry stuff.
Having said that, I can tell you straight up that Mac OS X is nowhere near as customisable as Windows is and it will never be because the day you open an operating system to users for absolute customisation, they end up crashing their system and blaming the company for it. It is a fact. I prefer not to have it customisable because it is a remarkable operating system even in the default state but I know your opinion will differ, so let us just agree to disagree over this point.

If I want to try things out, should I go for reseller store (not sure if they will let me try things out for a long time) or apple authorised service provider or what (options provided on *www.asia.apple.com/buy/locator/ on the second page)

Any 'Apple Authorised Reseller' or 'Apple Premium Reseller' will allow you to use the Macs as long as you want to. And just to be sure, you tell them that you are interested in buying one and then give them the wrong phone number.

 

[gxsaurav]

Most mac applications, just need to be dragged to the applications folder (or wherever else you might want to keep apps) and are working from thereon. Only some apps which need to use the inner workings of the OS need to have an "installer". Again, to delete, it just means dragging to the trash (although GX would soon pounce on the few files it leaves behind in the library and such).

Those name.app like applications are nothing but folders in which everything is stored. Those who are using both Mac & Windows can simply copy any app to Windows partition & then look at it using Windows Explorer. You will it as a folder with name.app type naming structure.

There is one drwaback of this, huge file size. Now with leopard app developers will have to make several state of there app

32bit PowerPC (PowerPC G4)
64bit PowerPC (powerPC G5)
32bit Intel (Core duo)
64bit Intel (Core 2 duo)

Since apps are just folders, the binaries are very fat. Although once installed the user can simply use tools like XSlimmer to reduce the file size but then again, he has to download the big file anyway. DMG isn't the best compression out there. Even ACE is better & 7Z is superb.

The mac equivalent of the registry (actually is way different from the registry) is the library(to my knowledge). Its just a bunch of folders like 'screensavers', 'plugins' 'workflows' and stuff like that. It is nowhere as complicated and messy as the registry.

Mac has no registry. Registry is a shared database that any application can use, even with multiple applications using same keys together. Registry is in machine language so it is very fast to directly access the hardware when required.

On Windows, depending on the developer you can use apps in many states. Most of the apps following Windows Vista app structure, do not need to access the registry much now. Well, registry is faster indeed but then again, for example Winamp can run without even installing. Just extract & run. It all depends on developer whether they want to access the registry or not. Windows gives both ways, registry & non registry, Mac only gives one way. Thats why there are so many Mac applications which need an installer & leave much of the clutter behind.

The Windows equivalent of Library folder in Mac is c:\users\All users\Roaming\

As for Apple prices, they have crashed considerably, in that the 24inch iMac is available for like 1.06lac from its original 1.24lac. The 17inch on the other hand is at 54k. Macbooks have also come down.

Now release a Macbook with GeForce 8400 GT Go with 256 MB RAM

 

[sakumar79]

@goobimama, I wasnt trying to debate Y!M on mac and windows feature-wise. I also did mention that it was cool that mac software can be run without installation...

Do apps in mac generally come as single files, or are they a folder of files (you know how windows has dlls, ini files, etc along with the exe)? If latter, do you drag just the app or the folder containing app when you want to uninstall?

Is the trail left behind by mac really bothersome? I know Linux uses settings stored in each persons folder as subfolders (like .dia etc). Is it similar with Mac? I know Windows uninstallers sometimes leave similar settings folders (some give option to retain or delete, some just leave them, etc)... Very rarely, I go and clean them these days (possibly because I rarely download and try new software)...

How does the mac keep track of trial versions expiration? If the library is a set of folders, etc, will it not be easy to find and modify expiration info, etc.?

EDIT: Just noticed the last couple of posts made in the past few minutes... @aryayush, be careful before making statements like "Roughly, the number of applications on Windows that work without installation is about the same as the number of applications on Mac OS X that require installation"... It will blow up in your face when gx and imav read them... There are a large number of Windows apps that can be run without installation... Many of them are small-scale and dont do much, but they are there... The statement might have better if you had worded them as percentage of applications instead of number of applications...

Arun

 

[aryayush]

Now release a Macbook with GeForce 8400 GT Go with 256 MB RAM

Yeah, goobimama, do what he ordered you to.

there are so many Mac applications which need an installer

Oh really? Never came across these "many Mac applications". Care to list twenty five decent Mac applications that require an installer?

I can list hundreds at once which do not require an installer. One of out every fifty applications requires an installer and I say that at the risk of being very lenient.

 

[sakumar79]

I forgot one more thing... I have just downloaded UltraExplorer, a freeware Explorer-replacement software that is supposed to provide column view functionality similar to Mac... I request aryayush, goobimama, etc to comment on the similarities and dissimilarities this software has to the column view provided in Finder... If they are reasonably similar, it will help me get a feel for the column view mode of the Mac.

And arya, the post before yours above is mine that was entered just a minute before yours... Just a heads up so that you dont miss it. Please give your comments for that post too...
Arun

EDIT: The link to UltraExplorer is *www.mustangpeak.net/ultraexplorer.html - missed giving that info.

 

[aryayush]

Do apps in mac generally come as single files, or are they a folder of files (you know how windows has dlls, ini files, etc along with the exe)? If latter, do you drag just the app or the folder containing app when you want to uninstall?

They come as single files. Let me show you a couple of examples:
*img510.imageshack.us/img510/6062/skypebz3.png *img116.imageshack.us/img116/6356/trampolinemw8.png

See? You understand how simple it is now, don't you?
I don't think anything simpler is possible.
BTW, I can also give you a very good example of the utility of spring loaded folders here. I have a folder for 'Third party applications' inside my Applications folder. All I have to do is drag that Skype icon to the alias of the Applications folder, it will spring open and drop my application into the subfolder. The really neat thing is that the new window that opened will also automatically close once the copying is done. This is what we appreciate, the fluidity of Mac OS X and this is what is really difficult to explain to someone.

Is the trail left behind by mac really bothersome?

Depends. If you are the neat freak, purist kind of person who does not want even extra files that are 5KB in size lying around, it might be bothersome for you. Personally, I don't give a damn. It has never happened that I've had some problem due to the (according to my assumption) hundreds of files left over from the many applications I've installed and then deleted. It would have been better though if Applications, on being deleted, automatically took away all the related files with them. Or at least, if Mac OS X had an uninstaller. But, I repeat, it is not a problem even now (unless you happen to be gx_saurav, in which case, everything Apple is a problem for you ).

How does the mac keep track of trial versions expiration? If the library is a set of folders, etc, will it not be easy to find and modify expiration info, etc.?

I've no idea what you are talking about. Could you be a bit more clear so that dumb people like me can understand better?

And BTW, a word of congratulations to sakumar79 for being a good listener and actively trying to learn something new. Even if you still prefer the former, it is still a great gift you have that you are capable of having a friendly discussion while disagreeing. I try to imbibe this quality myself, but I am having some trouble.
(Don't pay any attention, it is just random rambling!)

I forgot one more thing... I have just downloaded UltraExplorer, a freeware Explorer-replacement software that is supposed to provide column view functionality similar to Mac... I request aryayush, goobimama, etc to comment on the similarities and dissimilarities this software has to the column view provided in Finder... If they are reasonably similar, it will help me get a feel for the column view mode of the Mac.

And arya, the post before yours above is mine that was entered just a minute before yours... Just a heads up so that you dont miss it. Please give your comments for that post too...
Arun

EDIT: The link to UltraExplorer is *www.mustangpeak.net/ultraexplorer.html - missed giving that info.

From what I've seen in the screenshots and understood from the description, it is nowhere near.

However, the drop stack thing is a really good feature that even the Finder is missing, and will continue to in Leopard too.

 

[gxsaurav]

Do apps in mac generally come as single files, or are they a folder of files (you know how windows has dlls, ini files, etc along with the exe)? If latter, do you drag just the app or the folder containing app when you want to uninstall?

Mac apps come as name.app format. They are basically folders with such naming structure so that Mac OS treats them as an application. The eequivalent of dll files etc are inside this app folder only. This means you will end up with 25 version of msvcp.dll inside 25 apps you have. (Example)

You simply drag & drop the app to the trash folder to remove them. This does leaves out clutter in Library folder which has to be removed manually.

Most of the apps which comes with installer do not come with an uninstaller & Mac OS X comes without a unified uninstaller. This has already been discussed in one of the other threads started by arya (in which he got pwned) regarding Windows Vista & Mac OS X.

Is the trail left behind by mac really bothersome?

Depends, if the settings curropt then even if you reinstall the app, it won't help. You will have to dig through the library folder & manually delete each & every file there, before you can run the application again. This happened with me when I was using iPhoto on Mac.

How does the mac keep track of trial versions expiration? If the library is a set of folders, etc, will it not be easy to find and modify expiration info, etc.?

The expiration info is inside the name.app. Library just holds a key. When an applications starts, which is trialware it will check in library folder whether there is a key stored there for all users. if there is then it starts as full version, else it starts as trial version.

Oh really? Never came across these "many Mac applications". Care to list twenty five decent Mac applications that require an installer?

Plz note & define "Decent Apps"

Adobe Lightroom
Photoshop CS3
Adobe Flash Player
Yahoo Messenger for Mac
Microsoft Messenger
Windows Media Codecs
DivX codec
Xvid Codec
Matroska Codec
AC3 Codec
MPEG2 component for Quicktime
iPhoto
Microsoft Keyboard & Mouse drivers (Require restart)
OnyX
Spring Cleaning
StuffIt 11
NTFS Tools
MacFuse .4
NTFS-3G
Shape Shifter
UNO 1.51
Yahoo Widgets
Path Finder

OMG, Just 23 out of 32 apps I have installed require an installer

 

[aryayush]

Depends, if the settings curropt then even if you reinstall the app, it won't help. You will have to dig through the library folder & manually delete each & every file there, before you can run the application again. This happened with me when I was using iPhoto on Mac.

@sakumar79
You've heard the lie, now it is time for the truth. Do you know what he did? He installed iPhoto, an application that comes with iLife and is there by default on all Macs but since he is using it illegally, he did not get it by default. Now, iPhoto is a fairly complex application that integrates with Mac OS X at the very core; a lot of applications on Mac OS X work in tandem with iPhoto. So obviously, it came with an installer that installed all the required files at the appropriate places. Now, this guy (with an IQ level of zero) did not like the application and just dragged it to the trash expecting that every other file the application installed would magically take care of themselves.
Now tell me, how much intelligence does it require to know that if an application uses an installer for installation, it must be uninstalled the same way? And then he comes along blaming the poor operating system for it.

So this is your list:
Adobe Lightroom - Check.
Photoshop CS3 - Part of a suite which requires installation.
Adobe Flash Player - Part of a suite which requires installation.
Yahoo Messenger for Mac - Does not require installation.
Microsoft Messenger - I don't know about this. Mac users tend to stay away from crap.
Windows Media Codecs - *
DivX codec - *
Xvid Codec - *
Matroska Codec - *
AC3 Codec - *
MPEG2 component for Quicktime - *
iPhoto - No actual Mac user needs to install this.
Microsoft Keyboard & Mouse drivers (Require restart) - WOW, I'm surprised!
OnyX - Check.
Spring Cleaning - Dunno about this one.
StuffIt 11 - Does not require installation.
NTFS Tools - *
MacFuse .4 - *
NTFS-3G - *
Shape Shifter - Check.
UNO 1.51 - Check.
Yahoo Widgets - Dunno about this one.
Path Finder - Does not require installation.

* Of course, you will consistently show your sixth-grade intelligence. Codecs and hacks that allow the OS to read NTFS partitions do NOT come under the category of "applications".

From his list, it is clear that there only five actual applications that require installation - Adobe Lightroom, Adobe Creative Suite 3, Onyx, ShapeShifter and UNO. Adobe's applications will always require installation, Onyx is a system maintenance and customisation application that changes a lot of the root level stuff, ShapeShifter and UNO change the theme of the whole operating system. Throw in those applications I am not sure about too (though I seriously doubt his integrity).

Just look at your list - full of codecs and that too installed individually. Ever heard of Perian?
Microsoft Messenger - Biggest pile of crap I've ever seen (on Mac OS X).
iPhoto - WOW! Just great. Awesome!
Microsoft keyboard and mouse drivers - How can you put the blame of Microsoft's inadequate software (and hardware) skills on Apple's head!
MacFUSE and associated NTFS stuff - Since you forgot to mention it, let me also inform everyone that these things also require a couple of restarts. After all, they are friggin' huge core modifications that allow the OS to write to NTFS drives. Why am I not surprised!

Great list you have there. Come up with something more substantial the next time round.

 

[gxsaurav]

@sakumar79
You've heard the lie, now it is time for the truth. Do you know what he did?

You also forgot to mention that when I tried to re-run the installer, it installed fine but refused to run.

iPhoto - No actual Mac user needs to install this.

Tell this to those who are running Panther on there Mac & are buying iLife 06

* Of course, you will consistently show your sixth-grade intelligence. Codecs and hacks that allow the OS to read NTFS partitions do NOT come under the category of "applications".

Lolz....those are installers boy, obviously you will come to defend it. Ok, let me tell you one thing.

In Windows when we install a codec, there is a usually an installer, & an entry in Programs for uninstallations. Now tell me how do I uninstall a codec in Mac?

From his list, it is clear that there only five actual applications that require installation - Adobe Lightroom, Adobe Creative Suite 3, Onyx, ShapeShifter and UNO.

There are many but just like always when u r pwned, you will deviate the thread now. iMav will also post his list soon

 

[goobimama]

FYI, all those codecs don't need to be installed. For what I'm using, they are just .Component files which have to be dropped into the library > Quicktime folder (Not very sure about the path though).