What do u want to change in Microsoft & Windows Vista?

[goobimama]

well its 10 activations

aaaah! I see what gx was hiding from!

 

[mediator]

Stop trolling plz. I have already said that you can move your license from one computer to another computer 2 times after calling MS tech support. They will simply ask u 3 questions about it, & will move your license. After this the old computer will no longer qualify as a genuine Windows cos your license is now on the new computer.

You buy Windows Vista license to use it at one computer at one time. If you buy a new computer "move" the license to the new computer.

The bolded part....So much trauma, an end-user has to go thru! Tell them to change that nuisance and make the lives of the gullible users 'easy'! Did u tell them to change the EULA and format it to look like humans made it so that it tells 'clearly' what a user can do??

I'm just discussing how u wanted it to be. There's a diffrence between troll and discussion! If u can't understand that, then tell MS to stop chosing brainless people as MVPs who don't have any aptitude or comprehension skills at all!!

Sorry, Firefox is a 3rd party product which Microsoft has made available on Windows marketplaces & cannot bundle with Windows. You are getting it in Microsoft's own Windows Market place, the link is right there in Windows Welcome center, what else do u want? Spoon feeding? If this doesn't work for u, stop trolling this thread cos I have mentioned it already many times.

Atleast tell them the suggestion for which u were paid to create this noble thread!! Yes that doesn't work for me, I can go directly to firefox site than going to that pathetic site. How is MS helping me then and making my life easy?

$150+ CD and they can't even bundle a workable OS out of box and proprietary formats with it? Are they looting the users with that showing that they can only bundle 'file delete problems, driver and apps incompatibilties' in that $150+ ? I am suggesting something as u wanted.

Tell them to be reasonable!!

The file delete problem was not universal & those who were facing this problem can simply call at Microsoft Tech support to get the appropriate fix which is also available now via Windows Update

So u do agree that they had very comfortable out of box experience!!

There are drivers & app compability problems. However it is the responsibility of hardware manufacturers to make Vista compliant drivers & for the ISVs to make Vista compatible apps. Vista was given to hardware manufacturers & ISVs already to make compliant apps since 2 years during the Beta stage. With each passing day the situation is changing.

If OSS developers can do that, why can't world's biggest company do it? Here we were talkling bt MS bundling out of box experience and drivers and here we see u again reverting back to talking bt manufacturers making VISTA complaint drivers!

How and when did the manufacturers come in between? Can't MS bundle nice out of box support themselves to deliver a workable OS in that $150+ ? Note it in ur notepad, if u dont have MS-Office and tell MS bt it!

And Microsoft is taking measures to prevent Piracy. Like I said, if you have a better solution then WGA then come forward & tell here. Don't just shout whose problem is it cos we are here to find solutions, not to whine about problems.

Oh, so u want end-users to spoon feed MS with some newly discovered computer algorithms? U have high expectations from end-users it seems and very little from MS!

Did you tried looking for Windows PowerShell

Tell me if u can control ur whole PC with it and if my PC can work without GUI as well! If so, then tell MS to grant options between powershell and GUI in the windows install stage itself!! Note it and tell them!

Only Vista basic & starter edition comes without Aero. A student can very well buy Home Premium at a very reduced price if the college is in collaboration with Microsoft. In USA, a student can buy Home Premium for as low as $100

Tell MS to be reasonable and use a lil more brains from next time! U think the fancy effects of AERO wud be used in companies and by oldies 'more than' younger generation and students? Have mercy!!

Please ask MS to tell their MVPs to use a lil more brains and think abt what age category will those worthless AERO effects occur fancy and amazing to!!

The feature is already there in form of BCDedit.exe (CLI) or EasyBCD (GUI). How many times will u have problem in reading. I m not going to repeat this again.

Then I hope MS will bundle Linux support in boot as well as partition reading too! I'm not going to repeat this again. So tell them the whole thing to bundle Linux boot support as well!!

If u dont understand such things then stop trolling!!

its Vista DVD in almost all cases.. and Vista Cds for 32 bit version..(only if you buy the cd version)

well its 10 activations ( i am in no way related to the topic) just cleared how many activations !

Sry brother!

 

[gxsaurav]

So much trauma, an end-user has to go thru!

Is it hard to make a phone call for you?

Tell them to change that nuisance and make the lives of the gullible users 'easy'!

Since it is bothering u again & again, plz state here how this can be done, also tell a few methods to prevent piracy. If you can't give a solution or advice on how to make this better then plz do not whine in this thread.

If u can't understand that, then tell MS to stop chosing brainless people as MVPs who don't have any aptitude or comprehension skills at all!!

I am not here to argue with you. Thread reported

Yes that doesn't work for me, I can go directly to firefox site than going to that pathetic site. How is MS helping me then and making my life easy?

You asked for MS to provide a link or a pointer to download Firefox. I just mentioned it. Firefox is not Microsoft product so Microsoft cannot support or provide it on there own website. Microsoft makes your life easier by giving there own product which you may or may not chose to use.

$150+ CD and they can't even bundle a workable OS out of box and proprietary formats with it

Due to licensing restriction imposed by 3rd party vendors, MS can't do this. Plz read point 2 on post 1 again.

Are they looting the users with that showing that they can only bundle 'file delete problems, driver and apps incompatibilties' in that $150+

I m not here to argue with u, if u have some suggestion then plz provide else do not reply.

If OSS developers can do that, why can't world's biggest company do it?

How and when did the manufacturers come in between?

Microsoft provides more then 40k drivers by bundling them in Windows Vista & Windows Update. They are already doing it. Plz stop arguing & comparing Vista to Linux here.

One example, Vista RTM was released in November 2006. nVidia GeForce 9800 will release sometime in December 2007. How do u expect MS to provide drivers for an unreleased product in Vista RTM in 2006.?

As soon as the card releases there will be a compatible driver on Windows Update. If you can't wait for that, then during the installation of Windows Vista, just enter the CD which comes with your graphics card & give the path for 3rd party drivers during Windows installation using the option in installation.

so u want end-users to spoon feed MS with some newly discovered computer algorithms?

I asked for a method, not code.

Tell me if u can control ur whole PC with it

I don't know. Have a look at PowerShell documentation.

if my PC can work without GUI as well!

Windows Vista is a product for home use where home consumers demand a good GUI, bundling PowerShell only with no GUI by default makes no sense here. If you still want to, then you can always download PowerShell via Windows update & use it.

tell MS to grant options between powershell and GUI in the windows install stage itself!!

If you want a GUIless CLI only OS then have a look at Windows Server 2008. This option is given there. You can freely download Beta 3 of Windows Serve 2008.

Fellow members, I would like to ask you all to provide feedback whether mediator is trolling here or not & whether his arguments are valid here or not. Despite of me mentioning here again & again that keep the trolling to nil, he is not listening.

U think the fancy effects of AERO wud be used in companies and by oldies 'more than' younger generation and students? Have mercy!!

I guess you had problem in reading.

In USA, a student can buy Home Premium for as low as $100

Then I hope MS will bundle Linux support in boot as well as partition reading too

Plz read post one of this thread for reading Ext2/3 File system partitions in Windows using Ext2IFS.

Regarding boot support in Vista's bootloader, if it is so hard for you to do it. here is a tutorial to boot in Linux using Vista's bootloader

 

[goobimama]

I will say this one thing. And I've said it before.

My friend had got a brand new Windows XP Home CD, and went through the install process. Then he tried calling the number, but couldn't get through. So he called me up and I went to activate Windows, thinking it was an easy process. The line just wouldnt work.

So I said screw it, and I installed a pirated Windows on his machine and it worked fine without any problems. He was happy as long as his computer worked.

Moral of the story?

[this story of mine was carried on Digit mag...]

 

[entrana]

if its anything microsoft, pirated is actually better than ooriginal
*keznews.com/3282_Why_buy_a_genuine_Windows_Vista_when_pirated_is_easier_and_better_

 

[gxsaurav]

@ enterna & goobi

Do you want to say that Microsoft should compleately remove activation & CD Key system in Windows?

 

[The_Devil_Himself]

Arre saurav buddy if the cd-key system and activation system is not working or there are plenty of ways around them then it's better to remove them.
You have original XP you install it using a cd-key and then you activate it.
You have pirated XP you pop in the cd and then forget about it(silent installation).No need for cd-keys and no need of activation.ANd some of the pirated versions even install all the necessary softwares you will need.


Moral of the story--Cd-key and activation system is not working and you can make life of genuine users better by removing them.

 

[gxsaurav]

Arre saurav buddy if the cd-key system and activation system is not working

Ever tried using a genuine XP/Vista system? It only takes 1 minute to activate via net or Phone. It is definately working.

there are plenty of ways around them

For piracy.

then it's better to remove them.

In that case, people will simply buy Pirated Windows Vista DVD for Rs 100 & install it on as many computer as they want & no one will buy genuine. Can u plz provide a method for Microsoft to make profit.

You have pirated XP you pop in the cd and then forget about it(silent installation).No need for cd-keys and no need of activation.

You are not paying Microsoft & there developers for there labor, research & developement. You are stealing there art.

Moral of the story--Cd-key and activation system is not working and you can make life of genuine users better by removing them.

Plz tell a way for Microsoft to make sure people still buy genuine Windows & not Pirated Windows.

CD Key & activation system is not what it looks like. You can read the post of speedrider some posts above to know about it. It is definately working & easier for genuine users. if it flags your vista as non genuine, then why don't u simply call Microsoft support for help. You are a genuine user, right? Then why r u not asking for help when they are there to help u.

If u find calling MS support tough compared to looking for a crack on the net, then........

 

[The_Devil_Himself]

You see if I purchase a windows xp cd from M$ then I am not paying for 0's and 1's written over the disc but actually for the service that will be provided to me.So I am purchasing their support and services and not any damn cd-key.

What I am saying is lower the prices of products and make the life of users easier.This will,in my opinion, help them curb piracy better than WGA and CD-key sh*t.And as a matter of fact nobody likes to pirate anything including me.

 

[nish_higher]

Sure, have a look at Vista's BCDEdit. I M using Vista bootloader to load Mac OS while booting. You can also have a look at EasyBCD 1.7

r u using vista on mac or osx on pc?anyways i'd love to have some Dongle protection with windows like some softwares have.so theres a minutest chance of windows 7 being pirated.coz nobody has been able to crack some softwares with that Syncrosoft protection since 2yrs or more.

 

[gxsaurav]

anyways i'd love to have some Dongle protection with windows like some softwares have.so theres a minutest chance of windows 7 being pirated.coz nobody has been able to crack some softwares with that Syncrosoft protection since 2yrs or more.

What if u lose the dongle?

Autodesk 3Ds Max & Maya, Softimage Face robot use such protection & they are cracked.

You see if I purchase a windows xp cd from M$ then I am not paying for 0's and 1's written over the disc but actually for the service that will be provided to me.So I am purchasing their support and services and not any damn cd-key.

You use the OS, isn't that a service.

What I am saying is lower the prices of products and make the life of users easier.This will,in my opinion, help them curb piracy better than WGA and CD-key sh*t

I know, & I agree. Point has been noted already

Good bye for now

 

[goobimama]

I'm saying completely remove the CD key and activation process. Its useless cause it is NOT stopping piracy. They could save up on their resources on developing such anti-piracy measures, and reduce the price of the OS.

You can't make a person buy something he doesn't want to pay for...

 

[mediator]

Is it hard to make a phone call for you?

Moving the license, phone calls and other crap => Wastes my time. IS it hard for MS to come up with something better like unlimiting the activations? Even with the phone calls the user just gets another activation.
Such a big company and I can't believe they can't come up with something better, a better procedure or some algorithm instead of employing their MVPs to survey the end-users to come up with something!!

Since it is bothering u again & again, plz state here how this can be done, also tell a few methods to prevent piracy. If you can't give a solution or advice on how to make this better then plz do not whine in this thread.

I am just an end-user! So suggesting MS and their merceneries to come up with something beter. But I guess its hitting their balls hard!!

I am not here to argue with you. Thread reported

U think u have got some mod as a friend/back here that u keep reporting each thread u don't like and questions MS? May be the concerned mod shud judge ur comprehension skills first and y u created this thread! U can't even differntiate bet. trolls and discussions!

You asked for MS to provide a link or a pointer to download Firefox. I just mentioned it. Firefox is not Microsoft product so Microsoft cannot support or provide it on there own website. Microsoft makes your life easier by giving there own product which you may or may not chose to use.

Yes, I wanted it, but as a part or an option in Windows installation CD. Can't u understand that? Note it down!

Due to licensing restriction imposed by 3rd party vendors, MS can't do this. Plz read point 2 on post 1 again.

Then what r we getting in $150+ ? BSODs, crashes, hangups, driver and app incompatibilities with a file delete problem that u have to download a hotfix after wards?? Not to mention, NO AERO!! Tell them to ponder over this and be reasonable!

I m not here to argue with u, if u have some suggestion then plz provide else do not reply.

U r here to do what MS told u to! U r not even doing that properly!

One example, Vista RTM was released in November 2006. nVidia GeForce 9800 will release sometime in December 2007. How do u expect MS to provide drivers for an unreleased product in Vista RTM in 2006.?

Do u think the whole world is complaining just for drivers of the hardware created after VISTA release? Is ur aptitude limited or like to justify without using ur brains?

I wonder what u wud say bt apps incompatibilties!

I asked for a method, not code.

And by any chance if u have done a little programming u wud know code directly depends on method. Method is the main thing, code is just a small integral entity!! U sure have high expectations from end-users and very very little from MS!

I don't know. Have a look at PowerShell documentation.

Pallease do ur job properly and update ur 'THINGs of what MS can do' list! U dont expect ur granny to read EULA and expect end-users to read everything?

Windows Vista is a product for home use where home consumers demand a good GUI, bundling PowerShell only with no GUI by default makes no sense here. If you still want to, then you can always download PowerShell via Windows update & use it.

WIndows VISTA <specify>!!

Windows VISTA student edition or wateva edition is for students, shud have an option for terminal. Why shud I dwonload it, when MS shud bundle it and give an option or it in its staggering $150+ CD? So u see it makes sense!!

Thats why I tell u again n again to note it and email them, coz some of their brainless MVPs can't understand simple and obvious things which serve as necessities!!

If you want a GUIless CLI only OS then have a look at Windows Server 2008. This option is given there. You can freely download Beta 3 of Windows Serve 2008.

Again u r forgettin what this thread is bt! I want it in VISTA and MS to change it!!

I feel like reporting ur comprehension skills.

Fellow members, I would like to ask you all to provide feedback whether mediator is trolling here or not & whether his arguments are valid here or not. Despite of me mentioning here again & again that keep the trolling to nil, he is not listening.

Alas, shantanu answered what u were concealing! I guess u can't understand why u created this thread!

In USA, a student can buy Home Premium for as low as $100

And does that include AERO? Why wud a young nourished sapling spend $250+ to buy ultimate edition, just to see AERO? Since student version if for them, AERO shud be included in that. Its the younger generations that wants to see AERO, not companies and oldies!

Please stop ur troll if u can't understand what u started accidently or may forcefully! I am giving suggestions to include AERO in stdent and home edition. Note it and do ur work properly instead of bashing members here!

Regarding boot support in Vista's bootloader, if it is so hard for you to do it. here is a tutorial to boot in Linux using Vista's bootloader

Why shud we need tutorial when we expect the biggest company to do it by default/out of box!!

Step 1 – Install GRUB on the Linux partition (outside of MBR)

As Windows Vista will replace the Master Boot Record (MBR) with its own, we need to relocate GRUB elsewhere by running grub-install with the Linux partition as a parameter.

Do I need to say more! I want out of box support! Do u understand what 'out of box' and 'default' means?

@ enterna & goobi

Do you want to say that Microsoft should compleately remove activation & CD Key system in Windows?

@entrana & @goobi plz come up with some method that MS cudn't ponder over or realise using its industry strength of over a million employees!

@GX : TEll them to come up with something better rather than bullying its users n fanboys! Have some high expectations from MS from now on...Don't be afraid to forwards the suggestions!! *www.smileyhut.com/eat_drink/snack.gif

 

[entrana]

you see no one can really stop piracy, microsoft are greedy douches anyways, u think anyone wud wanna spend a damn whopping 10k for windows vista ultimate? NO!! hence the reason piracy. m$ is just trying to go around the bushes as they dont want to lower the prices. everyone just blames piracy well there is also a reason for piracy u know, and its cuz of the expensive rates. according to me windows vista ultimate shud cost 2.5k, and theyre sale rate will surely increase

 

[gxsaurav]

I'm saying completely remove the CD key and activation process. Its useless cause it is NOT stopping piracy. They could save up on their resources on developing such anti-piracy measures, and reduce the price of the OS.

Even if they release the OS for Rs 2,500 like I mentioned here, may people will not buy and Pirate cos it is there mentality. They are not paying for Windows & the labor of MS developers, then how can u expect MS to support your Windows like a genuine user? Why do u expect MS to give u regular updates for the OS if it is not genuine. If u r stealing something then u do not deserve to get services from MS. This is why WGA is there which prevents pirated users from using Windows.

If u r a genuine user & your Windows is incorrectly flagged as Pirated, then kindly call at the Microsoft tech support & ask them the problem to reactivate. They are there to help u.

You can't make a person buy something he doesn't want to pay for...

Like I said above, if you don't pay & steal Windows, u don't deserve to use Windows, or other Microsoft services & updates. Period.

 

[mediator]

^Do u pay for zone alarm firewall, MS office, winzip, winrar, games that u play, adobe software, maya and all the 3rd party apps? If so show me ur bill please!

Who really deserves to use the windows which comes up with file delete problem for which u have to get a hot fix for??

Please don't troll and talk about who deserves what! Like wise may be not even 1% windows users be deserving to use windows! Stick to the topic please!

 

[The_Devil_Himself]

Even if they release the OS for Rs 2,500 like I mentioned here, may people will not buy and Pirate cos it is there mentality.

I don't know about others but I and most of my friends will buy Vista if the cost is right.

This is why WGA is there which prevents pirated users from using Windows.

Are you sure WGA is stopping pirates from using windows.Then how come 90% of Indians(proclaimed by speedrider_100) use pirated windows.

You know that windows piracy is everywhere.So stop telling that WGA works.It is just a pain in the a$$ of legitimate users .

 

[gxsaurav]

I m not here to argue with u mediator

IS it hard for MS to come up with something better like unlimiting the activations?

I have already answered that you can activate Vista as many times as u like on the same computer.

You can move Vista license from one computer to another 10 times.

Yes, I wanted it, but as a part or an option in Windows installation CD. Can't u understand that? Note it down!

I m sorry, I clearly mentioned why this cannot be done & given in feedback.

Then what r we getting in $150+ ? BSODs, crashes, hangups, driver and app incompatibilities with a file delete problem that u have to download a hotfix after wards?? Not to mention, NO AERO!!

With proper WHQL drivers, BSODs are rare.
In Vista if an application crashes, it doesn't crashes the whole OS.
Driver & app incompability are the responsibility for 3rd party vendors to solve who are the creators of these.
You do not need to download the file copy hotfix cos the problem is not universal & may or may not arise at all.
Windows Vista Home premium includes Aero.

I wonder what u wud say bt apps incompatibilties!

Microsoft gave ISVs Vista beta already before launching to fix there apps. It is there responsibility. Microsoft even provides compability mode for application available when u right click on an exe ->Properties.

Windows VISTA student edition or wateva edition is for students, shud have an option for terminal. Why shud I dwonload it, when MS shud bundle it and give an option or it in its staggering $150+ CD? So u see it makes sense!!

PowerShell was released after Vista. Microsoft lacks a time machine to bundle it in Vista RTM before powershell was released. It is available by Windows update easily. Stop whining cos the option is already there for u to use.

Thats why I tell u again n again to note it and email them, coz some of their brainless MVPs can't understand simple and obvious things which serve as necessities!!

Reported.

Again u r forgettin what this thread is bt! I want it in VISTA and MS to change it!!

Powershell was released after Vista was launched, Vista is an OS for home usage so it makes no sense to include PowerShell. If you need it you can download via Windows Update. Powershell will be included in Vista SP1

And does that include AERO? Why wud a young nourished sapling spend $250+ to buy ultimate edition, just to see AERO? Since student version if for them, AERO shud be included in that.
I am giving suggestions to include AERO in stdent and home edition.

A student can buy a student license for Vista Home premium for about $100 easily in USA which includes support for Aero. I m sorry I cannot do anything about your ignorance.

Why shud we need tutorial when we expect the biggest company to do it by default/out of box!!

Powershell is a product made for Powerusers & admins who get documentation with it when the download it.

Do not expect me to reply to you unnecessary troll. Sorry.

show me ur bill please!

Why?

 

[entrana]

dude look what im trying to say is more people will buy if it costs 2.5k, and u have to admit, 90%of indians do use pirated stuff, i bet even you do
the only thing original i have is my windows xp and my pc and some games

 

[gxsaurav]

dude look what im trying to say is more people will buy if it costs 2.5k

I know, how many times do I have to say that even I agree to this.....