What do u want to change in Microsoft & Windows Vista?

[iMav]

no its not feasible ... damn calculate for urself how many students do engg how many engg colleges are there ...

 

[gxsaurav]

Providing free copies isn't feasible. However providing cheap copies which only activate & run on one computer is indeed feasible.

Engg. Student should be able to get this from the college itself, like the students in USA get it from there colleges which are in collaboration with MS.

For this, we need collaboration between MS & colleges like IIT, VJTI etc if not there already. If the students want to use Windows, he should be able to get it from his college. Now is it wrong for MS to come & collaborate with colleges if they can do this.?

 

[The_Devil_Himself]

@iMav umm I am calculating.........

Arre yar come on they are future coders and developers.And how many engineering students you know who actually use original windows?I know only 2.

Providing free copies isn't feasible. However providing cheap copies which only activate & run on one computer is indeed feasible.

Engg. Student should be able to get this from the college itself, like the students in USA get it from there colleges which are in collaboration with MS.

For this, we need collaboration between MS & colleges like IIT, VJTI etc if not there already. If the students want to use Windows, he should be able to get it from his college. Now is it wrong for MS to come & collaborate with colleges if they can do this.?

This is what I am saying.I think my college is not in collaboration with M$(but the M$ people do came to our college to showcase Vista and Offive 2007 and actually handed over one or two free copies).So what can I do about it as a student?I am sure our college director will do anything we request him to do.

 

[gxsaurav]

Arre yar come on they are future coders and developers.

Well, its not like they are sure going to code for MS only in the future, will they? If MS says " you can use all our products provided u must work at MS for 2 years", I guess some people will be still unsatisfied.

See, i already mentioned that Windows cannot be given for free like this. Would u rather prefer to have a Windows Vista edition which stops working after 5 years?

If piracy works for u, well...then pirate Windows. You will get to know how much loss piracy results in once you work in a software company.

So what can I do about it as a student?I am sure our college director will do anything we request him to do.

You can talk to your director or dean or whoever is the concerned faculty about this thing. Since they already came to your college means they do have some contact with MS for sure. You can also write some application with sign of many students to take part in such collaboration.

See, unless u want to make a change, nothing will change. This is why i m urging more & more members to submit there ideas, you don't like the current MS, fine, then tell is how can u change them?

 

[iMav]

as i said only these mvps get fukat

 

[mediator]

Microsoft cannot make a locked & isolated kernel protected from any kind of intrusion due to a lawsuit disallowing them from doing this.



I have updated post 1

How bt including MS Office with MS windows and make the OS atleast a little workable out of box and unlimiting the no. of activations? My genuine/original XP CD told me to renew the CD KEy after 20+ installs on the same hardware forget bt different hardware then.

Do u need to update ur first post again or tell MS abt some viewpoints/suggestions now finally?

Also I wud luv if networking/ssh/ftp/services start on Windows before the GUI. If they can bundle firefox, gimp, OOO etc in their CDs then it wud be awesome!! Things wud greatly improve if they give some customizing option in the OS install menu itself to remove IE, disk defragement crap etc and give options to install firefox etc instead!

They shud make the OS atleast a little workable out of box instead of expecting the poor/noobie user to install everything from winzip,antivirus,drivers to MS office! Also supporting linux partitons wud be great if it can atleast read linux partitions by default out of box. Please tell MS to make the OS atleast a little workable somehow out of box and u'd be the forum hero!!

 

[gxsaurav]

How bt including MS Office with MS windows and make the OS atleast a little workable out of box and unlimiting the no. of activations?

Microsoft provides a discount if you buy Windows & Office both while buying an OEM computer from a partner such as Dell or HP.

Office is another product Microsoft makes so they cannot give it for free in Windows. However I do agree that Microsoft should include viewer software for Word, Excel & other Microsoft's own software such as they provide for XPS files.

My genuine/original XP CD told me to renew the CD KEy after 20+ installs on the same hardware forget bt different hardware then.

In case of Windows XP, you can simply call the toll free number of Microsoft support & tell them the situation to activate your key again. Plz think & take some action yourself before blaming MS.

In case of Windows Vista, you can activate as many times as u want as long as both the motherboard & hard disk are same.

Do u need to update ur first post again or tell MS abt some viewpoints/suggestions now finally?

I have already posted 3 feedbacks to Microsoft

Also I wud luv if networking/ssh/ftp/services start on Windows before the GUI.

I m blank about what u mean, ok...should be included. But how will u load something without loading the kernel first.

If they can bundle firefox, gimp, OOO etc in their CDs then it wud be awesome!!

I have already mentioned that MS cannot bundle 3rd party softwares with Windows. It is not there responsibility. Does Apple bundles Firefox with Mac?

Things wud greatly improve drastically if they give some customizing option in the OS install menu to remove IE, disk defragement etc

This feedback is already noted. In the mean time you can use vLite to remove any component u want from Windows Vista installation.

and give options to install firefox etc!

Again, 3rd party component. If you want it, you can easily download it.

They shud make the OS atleast a little workable out of box instead of expecting the poor/noobie user to install everything from winzip,antivirus,drivers to MS office!

Zip support is already there in Windows XP & Vista.

Obviously MS cannot bundle an antivirus in Windows even if it is Windows Live onecare due to lawsuits.

The hardware industry changes everyday. Windows Vista includes 19000 drivers in it by default another 21000 are available on Windows update which Windows automatically checks if it lacks a driver. MS also provides new drivers in every service pack.

For example, my machine which is 4 years old works out of the box without any drivers for my hardware in Windows Vista. After installing Windows, I install the new drivers provided by Intel, nVidia & creative manually

Also supporting linux partitons wud be great if it can atleast read linux partitions by default out of box.

Already noted before

Please tell MS to make the OS atleast a little workable somehow out of box and u'd be the forum hero!!

Lolz...I m trying my best.

 

[infra_red_dude]

i've seen GX "noting" down points like a true MS employee now it'd be really helpful if you pass this on the MS asap, GX.

1) i'd like to see read-only support for EXT2, EXT3 FS.

2) i'd also like to **** the **** out of WGA! that has been more of a headache for genuine users than for ppl using pirated (i know ms calls it an educational tool...but still) the no. of times i've validated is not countable!!! they know whatever check they devise it's gonna get cracked. then why do it in first place and make the lives of genuine windows users miserable??

3) i'd like MS to discontinue some jokes: the starter and the student editions.

4) they must provide ISOs for OS specific updates (and keep a tab on the size) monthly OR allow AUTOPATCHER to be revived again.

 

[goobimama]

Yeah. Its really difficult for genuine users. You have to go through Activation. The pirates don't go through that. You have to activate every time you reinstall. You but an original DVD; you have to go through an ad about how piracy is stealing.The pirates dont...you get the point.

What I don't understand is, why do all this when the pirates get away with it anyway? What's the point? I think they should leave it to the users conscience and be done with it.

One more thing:
Search.

I find the Windows search to be bit too attention grabbing. I've just about installed everything in Vista and wanted to find a file. Search for it and it says the location is not indexed. WTF! Did I NOT want it to be indexed? Make it work like it should.

I would also like the OS to stop bothering me now and then. You know, for something that's supposed to be running my machine, its taking a mighty big interest in what I'm doing out here. "Your antivirus is not installed". "You have low disk space" "please stick this up your a$$". At least something to turn it off.

However I hope u know that internet connection sharing does needs providing proper IP address whether it is Windows, Linux or Mac.

I just click on the "Share" button in my sharing preference pane. It does that automatically.

I'm talking about Bonjour. Where I don't have to do anything and Videochat, share printers, bookmarks, music, and god knows what else.

 

[gxsaurav]

1) i'd like to see read-only support for EXT2, EXT3 FS.

Noted and feedback given.

2) i'd also like to **** the **** out of WGA

Ok, if you hate WGA then plz come up with a solution for MS to curb piracy

3) i'd like MS to discontinue some jokes: the starter and the student editions.

Hmm....they are low cost "specific task" versions. They shouldn't be discontinued just that some restriction like the screen resolution should be removed.

There is no student edition, u get home premium or XP Pro from your college if college is in collaboration with MS. Students buy it at a lower price then retail.

they must provide ISOs for OS specific updates (and keep a tab on the size) monthly OR allow AUTOPATCHER to be revived again.

AutoPatcher cannot be revived again, but point noted for MS to provide monthly update ISO. In the mean time, use the methods I mentioned in the "Autopatcher is dead" thread.

Yeah. Its really difficult for genuine users. You have to go through Activation.

If you don't like it, like I said, plz comeup with a solution MS can use to prevent piracy.

I think they should leave it to the users conscience and be done with it.

Then no one will buy Windows....lolz

I've just about installed everything in Vista and wanted to find a file. Search for it and it says the location is not indexed. WTF! Did I NOT want it to be indexed? Make it work like it should.

Windows needs to index files to search faster. If the HD is not indexed, it will still search for file but slow. It is simply telling u that files are not indexed so search is slow. Windows is continuing to index files in background

for something that's supposed to be running my machine, its taking a mighty big interest in what I'm doing out here.

It is simply notifying you about whats wrong with Windows. If you don't want to be notified, you can easily disable them via Windows itself.

Anyway, good night all

I just click on the "Share" button in my sharing preference pane. It does that automatically.

Feedback noted

I'm talking about Bonjour. Where I don't have to do anything and Videochat, share printers, bookmarks, music, and god knows what else.

i told u about Network & resource center in Vista yesterday, did u forget the option of these there?

 

[mediator]

In case of Windows XP, you can simply call the toll free number of Microsoft support & tell them the situation to activate your key again. Plz think & take some action yourself before blaming MS.

U r forgetting y u created the thread! And I want MS to stop this kinda pathetic monopoly! Why shud I even bother to call the toll free no? Its much better to stop annoying the gullible users and grant them nirvana of activating it as many times as he wants atleast on the same hardware, his PC! So, don't repeat.

In case of Windows Vista, you can activate as many times as u want as long as both the motherboard & hard disk are same.

And how many times on different hardware?

I m blank about what u mean, ok...should be included. But how will u load something without loading the kernel first.

Abt the how part, thats for MS to program. But I want my machine to be 'ssh'ed and restarted from remote host wheneva I like. So I want ssh,ftp services to start before the GUI. Wats so hard to understand that or u never read about Operating Systems in general? I hope u understand atleast that the standard operating systems have kernel loading first and then everything else i.e apps and GUI and not vice versa! Loading network configuration after GUI is terrible!!

I have already mentioned that MS cannot bundle 3rd party softwares with Windows. It is not there responsibility. Does Apple bundles Firefox with Mac?

R u an apple salesman or MS bitdefender? Please learn what u posted! This has nuthing to do with Apple. Besides why cant MS bundle firefox or OOO etc? Just coz they dint make it? Do they ever care bt the gullible users? or atleast they cud just include some software that points to so many FOSS apps so that they can download the needed software like firefox etc automatically on one click!

This feedback is already noted. In the mean time you can use vLite to remove any component u want from Windows Vista installation.

I wud prefer MS to change that crap!

Again, 3rd party component. If you want it, you can easily download it.

Ofcors I can, why even create such a thread and then speak u can do that by urself? I want MS to increase my ease of use and change it! Kindly tell them that!!

The hardware industry changes everyday. Windows Vista includes 19000 drivers in it by default another 21000 are available on Windows update which Windows automatically checks if it lacks a driver. MS also provides new drivers in every service pack.

But its a pity that I still have to install drivers separtely for my 'outdated' NVIDIA 5200 FX card!

For example, my machine which is 4 years old works out of the box without any drivers for my hardware in Windows Vista. After installing Windows, I install the new drivers provided by Intel, nVidia & creative manually

And can u even play games and listen/entertain lavishly on those "out of box" drivers? Can u even Njoy 'AERO' completely on the windows provided drivers?
Also I want MS to support autopatcher and WMP to play media ISO files on one click! Note it down!

These are the things MS cannot do

1) They cannot lock the kernel from 3rd party intrusion such as virus or security software due to a Lawsuit of Symantec & Mcafee which prevents MS from doing this.

2) MS cannot bundle third party tools with Windows in the CD like Firefox or Adove Reader cos MS isn't making them & it is not allowed for MS to bundle them

3) Windows cannot be made open source. If you say that with open source code you can mould Windows to look & feel the way you want, then you can already do this using various Microsoft or non-Microsoft tools to mould Windows Vista according to your own preference.

Obviously MS cannot bundle an antivirus in Windows even if it is Windows Live onecare due to lawsuits.

I asked u to tell us what MS can do and not to act and speak as in MS * EULA which can terrify an innocent soul! But heck u dint even do that. Are u here to help?

Also tell them to modify the EULA and elaborate in it in a humane manner wat the people can do, so that atleast the MVPs aren't treated like roadside life forms anymore!!

i'd like to see read-only support for EXT2, EXT3 FS.

Noted and feedback given.

Careful, I hope atleast u don't get ur MVP status snatched away!

 

[infra_red_dude]

Noted and feedback given.

thank you for that

Ok, if you hate WGA then plz come up with a solution for MS to curb piracy

i've already said nothing's gonna work so there is NO solution to it other than educating ppl. so they shud remove the bullsh!t called WGA which will make the lives of we genuine users easy. u think WGA is helping curb piracy...... hoooooooooooooooooohhhoooooooooooo.... i jus fell from my chair!!!

Hmm....they are low cost "specific task" versions. They shouldn't be discontinued just that some restriction like the screen resolution should be removed.

i hope you know the other limitations too.

There is no student edition, u get home premium or XP Pro from your college if college is in collaboration with MS. Students buy it at a lower price then retail.

aren't we talking about MS as a whole as not only about windows?

AutoPatcher cannot be revived again, but point noted for MS to provide monthly update ISO. In the mean time, use the methods I mentioned in the "Autopatcher is dead" thread.

are you the deciding authority for autopatcher? what method did u post? download the updates manually one by one then install one by one or to download the 2.8GB update ISO?

Then no one will buy Windows....lolz

you think windows is selling due to that??!!!??!

It is simply notifying you about whats wrong with Windows. If you don't want to be notified, you can easily disable them via Windows itself.

you can disable the balloon tips widout using registry mods or tweakui? how???!!!

Feedback noted

much appreciated!

 

[gxsaurav]

Its much better to stop annoying the gullible users and grant them nirvana of activating it as many times as he wants atleast on the same hardware, his PC

Have u tried WIndows Vista.? You can activate as many times as u want on Vista as long as it is the same hardware.

And how many times on different hardware?

As long as u don't change both the motherboard & hard disk, you can activate Vista unlimited times. If you buy a new motherborad & Hard disk both, that that qualifies as a new computer in which u will need to "move" your license to the new computer. For this you will need to call MS support. This was already mentioned in this thread before, plz read before posting.

why cant MS bundle firefox or OOO etc? Just coz they dint make it?

You answered yourself. OEM PCs bundle these kind of 3rd party apps which people now term as crap ware.

Do they ever care bt the gullible users? or atleast they cud just inc ude some software that points to so many FOSS apps so that they can download the needed software like firefox etc automatically on one click!

FOSS doesn't belong to Microsoft. Firefox is available on Windows Market place whose link is given when Windows boots for the first time.

I want MS to increase my ease of use and change it! Kindly tell them that!!

Microsoft can do this only with there own product. If you need a 3rd party product, plz download. Windows isn't Linux.

But its a pity that I still have to install drivers separtely for my 'outdated' NVIDIA 5200 FX card!

Are you sure? I don't need to install any drivers when I install it on my computer with a FX 5900XT or Friends AGP XFX 5200 non Ultra. How is this in your case only?

And can u even play games and listen/entertain lavishly on those "out of box" drivers? Can u even Njoy 'AERO' completely on the windows provided drivers?

Yeah, I don't know about your computer but in my case I can.

I want MS to support autopatcher

Sorry, can't be done.

WMP to play media ISO files on one click!

Point noted

 

[infra_red_dude]

FOSS doesn't belong to Microsoft. Firefox is available on Windows Market place whose link is given when Windows boots for the first time.

FOSS doesn't belong to anybody, it belongs to everybody!

 

[gxsaurav]

what method did u post?

This one

you can disable the balloon tips widout using registry mods or tweakui?

Disable security center baloon tips in XP. There is an option. Or Disable the security center service.

FOSS doesn't belong to anybody, it belongs to everybody!

But the products are not made by MS. If the computer or data of a consumer malfunctions due to a FOSS product bundled with Windows DVD then MS will be bombarded with support calls for a software they did not even make.

I hope u don't say that FOSS products such as Firefox or OOO don't crash.

 

[infra_red_dude]

This one

thanks for the link

Disable security center baloon tips in XP. There is an option. Or Disable the security center service.

and how will that remove the "low disk space" warning etc.???

But the products are not made by MS. If the computer or data of a consumer malfunctions due to a FOSS product bundled with Windows DVD then MS will be bombarded with support calls for a software they did not even make.

I hope u don't say that FOSS products such as Firefox or OOO don't crash.

can't they include it in the EULA? since FF or anything is not made by MS who'd be so stupid to ask MS for support? its about providing apps not giving support!

that point will hold tru for other software surely not FF or OOO... come on mediator, MS out there to do business, who'll use IE or MSOffice then???

 

[gxsaurav]

And how will that remove the "low disk space" warning etc.???

The option is given in Vista

can't they include it in the EULA? since FF or anything is not made by MS who'd be so stupid to ask MS for support? its about providing apps not giving support!

I hope u know that hardly anyone reads the EULA . I m a geek & I know where to go for support for Firefox crash, does granny knows? She will call the number written on the manual for Support.

 

[infra_red_dude]

The option is given in Vista

thanks for pointing it out plz temme how to do that.

I hope u know that hardly anyone reads the EULA . I m a geek & I know where to go for support for Firefox crash, does granny knows?

why is the EULA for then? to give usernames and password of p0rn sites??!!

 

[goobimama]

Before this thing goes any further, I would like to rant about piracy controls.

What use are they? Are they effective? The only way to force users to buy genuine software is to put people behind bars. That's the only way and I think it works quite well in the States. But using serial keys and complex activation processes coupled with WGA is NOT going to solve piracy. Crackers are always going to find a way.

I should make it clear that educating users is different from nagging them and restricting use. Positive action is always better than punishment. That's the only way.

 

[gxsaurav]

why is the EULA for then? to give usernames and password of p0rn sites??!!

I wish