What do u want to change in Microsoft & Windows Vista?

[iMav]

You shud just forward our suggestions without using ur brains as a processing box in between!

i guess a few like the 1s quoted here can be skipped

Its time that even the cheapest and useless edition of VISTA to also include aero!!

aero is an addon and at times i have read ppl saying that we dont want eye candy we want the OS to wrk and be fast etc etc and there fore i find having versions that dont have aero is good .... there are buyers who want it so its there

Besides, people encounter BSODs with windows bundled drivers too. U mean they r not WHQL? Tell them to improve their sorry state and make something that works out of box without needing any update!

o!dude how i wonder if all of us could know the future .... man i seriously hope that MS gets some kind of a crytal ball that will tell them what hard ware is gonna be released in the next 10 years and then they can make sure that it works with their OS until then i guess we will have to update ... hmmmm im waiting for my updated linux cds also .... it takes a lot time for the cds to reach

Too bad people waited for SP2 in Xp case for frustration decrease/life improvement and a hotfix for 'file delete' problem in case of VISTA to have a workable OS!

and i thought the proverb 'no 1 is perfect' holds true ... maybe not in the case of mediator ... ur urge to see MS windows be perfect is really commendable

Tell them to improve their development and test cases, so that simple thing like 'file delete' that shud have been rectified in alpha testing itself shudn't occur any more!! Now shud I give suggestions for that too on how to code file delete procedure?

i got a suggestion why dont u apply for a job at MS and help em coz as ur implying ur knowledge of coding superscedes MS employees u wud be an asset to the company ... or even if u dont want to u cudv tested the betas ...

I see everybody is to be blamed save MS! I see...good logic!! May be they shud create some how to/tutorial telling other companies and developers on 'how to code/ wat not to do' since they cannot tell directly "Wat to do"!! Poor developers and other companies!

makes no sense to me

Since they can release XP+SP2 CDs for their crappy/buggy/not working original Xp CDs as alternatives, then y can't they release anotha like such for VISTA student editions or absurd 'stripped down' editions!

XP+SP2 yaar ... sp2 aaya toh cds aayi abhi vista sp1 aayega toh uski bhi cd aayegi yaar ... mediator u do hav a sense of humor

A 'stripped down' license copy of an insane $150+ that activates on just 10 different computers with 'file delete' problem needing an internet connection for hotfix since autopatcher has been abandoned by them and anotha student edition that doesn't includes AERO? Be reasonable and tell MS to be the same! I hope the AERO on home edition isn't 'stripped down'!

aero is an eye candy feature ... its presence is just for enhancing and beatufying the looks of the pc .... be same to all ... if u want aero so freagin desparately coz get urself a version that has aero ... its not like vista has 10 version w/o aero and 1 with aero ...

as far as the file delete issue is concerned ... i used vista w/o the hot fix the only problem i faced was that moving deleting files took a lil longer ... thats all i dont see how that makes an OS un-usable ...

Delivering VISTA much later than expected and still not giving something expected and reasonable, but surprises like 'file delete'
problem!

on the contrary Vista's release was made earlier than wen MS wanted to

Tell em the scenario in INDIA, how poor we r and thus be reasonable and deliver quality stuff ON TIME! SImple suggestion isn't it?

price reduction ... the point has been noted on more than 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 occassions and deliver stuff on time ... go to the store pick up the dvd pay the money and its urs ... i dont think Vista's availability is an issue

 

[saurabh kakkar]

change MICROSOFT to Linux nd VISTA to any LINUX DISRO prefered Ubuntu

thats is small change but big impact

 

[iMav]

and name all ubuntu distros as vista editions ...

 

[saurabh kakkar]

^^ ha ha Good one

 

[gxsaurav]

A 'stripped down' license copy of an insane $150+ that activates on just 10 different computers with 'file delete' problem needing an internet connection for hotfix since autopatcher has been abandoned by them and anotha student edition that doesn't includes AERO? Be reasonable and tell MS to be the same! I hope the AERO on home edition isn't 'stripped down'

The Home premium Edition is the 2nd topmost Vista Edition available. Its not stripped down in any manner.

When you buy Windows you buy to use it on one computer. If you don't like this then no one is stopping u from using Linux.

All software have bugs. What r u comparing this file delete bug to? Ubuntu also has bugs & they are also silly sometimes which are updated via thre update system too.

There are alternatives to Autopatcher which can be used offline. Have a look at this thread.

There is no student edition with this name. Its just Home premium retail one which students can buy at a reduced cost.

Aero is same all over Windows Vista.

I have tried explaining a lot to you, its really worthless to tell u something cos u want to argue which I don't want in this thread.

 

[infra_red_dude]

All software have bugs. What r u comparing this file delete bug to? Ubuntu also has bugs & they are also silly sometimes which are updated via thre update system too.

a basic ubuntu distro is completely usable out of the box. i'm not replying to this point coz i use ubuntu also, but coz that really is the case.

Fellow members I ask you, IE 7 is a product made by MS, shouldn't MS be allowed to bundle what they want with it.?

NO, since there are better comptt. products out there. if ie7 wasn't bundled wid windows then there wudn't be a problem intergrating it wid live search. but this is not the case.

Which Windows XP update is 500 MB? SP2 was 265 MB.

yes dude. its almost 500mb of updates after sp2!

Ubuntu installation is 700 MB ISO, & You need to download a 700 MB ISO again if u want to upgrade from one version to another.

we are talking about OS updates and NOT OS UPGRADES! in that case, win xp was about 550mb.. and vista is about 2.6gb. so to "upgrade from one version to another" i hafta download 2.6gb??!!! that too widout any software, jus the OS???? (plz dun start again that MS can't bundle this and that, we are not talking about that point).

Now, if u r fed up of updating your OS for new features then........i have nothing to say

windows updates provides new features??!!! huh?? when? where?? how???

@GX
you've created this thread and are asking about what changes ppl wud like to see in MS. so going by what u intend, u need to forward them to MS and not intervene in between. are you the chief technology officer for MS products that u decide here itself on this forum which suggestions can be implemented and which can't be? send the list to them and post the official replies here and plz stop asking users a method for every suggestion. we don't want WGA coz its a PITA for genuine users. thats it! its out suggestion. now how MS will consider this suggestion is upto them and NOT our headache!

i say it again, the only way to reduce piracy is to educate the users and lower the prices (i now its been noted many times). WGA is NOT a tool for preventing piracy. GO READ MS' OWN words. WGA is an EDUCATIONAL tool released by them to notify users about the genuineness of the software. no matter what MS will do try to prevent piracy, it'll be overcome. coz there are smarter ppl out there. so why trouble genuine users then? educate ppl!

i don't haf a problem wid any of their product (except the dreaded WGA), but i haf problems wid the business ethics of this company. i understand they are out there to do business, but there is a limit to everything. and these unethical acts are, in the end, affecting the end users. thats all i'm unhappy about!

 

[iMav]

^^ bus itni si baat aur itna rona ...

 

[gxsaurav]

@GX
you've created this thread and are asking about what changes ppl wud like to see in MS. so going by what u intend, u need to forward them to MS and not intervene in between.

I m forwarding these to apropriate MS departmends cos MVP can do this.

we don't want WGA coz its a PITA for genuine users. thats it! its out suggestion. now how MS will consider this suggestion is upto them and NOT our headache!

Point has been noted.

i understand they are out there to do business, but there is a limit to everything. and these unethical acts are, in the end, affecting the end users. thats all i'm unhappy about!

What would u like to change then?

 

[infra_red_dude]

I m forwarding these to apropriate MS departmends cos MVP can do this.

ThanQ

Point has been noted.

ThanQ again,

What would u like to change then?

Live and let live

 

[iMav]

biusiness usool no. 1 kill ur competition

 

[infra_red_dude]

biusiness usool no. 1 kill ur competition

Business usool No.1 SP1: Kill your competition wid a better product!

 

[mediator]

aero is an addon and at times i have read ppl saying that we dont want eye candy we want the OS to wrk and be fast etc etc and there fore i find having versions that dont have aero is good .... there are buyers who want it so its there

At times, no plenty of times I have read people discussing how pathetic windows is, how crappy IE is and how useless Disk defragment etc is! Wat do u think similarly? They shud be removed and its good if its not there?

I agree eye candy is usless, and it eats performance and memory. But which age category do u think really needs AERO? Why has MS created Aero? The WOW is needed by children and the whole young generation which likes candy and eye candy. Thus Aero shud be bundled with student edition! This is a simple suggestion that shudn't be ignored!

I hope concerned MVPs dont troll in between now coz they gave up already routing simple suggestions to MS and randomly talking bt Apple and Mac OSX and thus disrutping smooth flow of discussion!!

o!dude how i wonder if all of us could know the future .... man i seriously hope that MS gets some kind of a crytal ball that will tell them what hard ware is gonna be released in the next 10 years and then they can make sure that it works with their OS until then i guess we will have to update ... hmmmm im waiting for my updated linux cds also .... it takes a lot time for the cds to reach

I was talkin bt old hardware itself coz anybody in tech world knows that OS has drivers for hardware released before its date of release!! No crystal ball, but only improved developing and coding practises is what MS needs and ethics to test things correctly and ethics to conduct business properly without hurting atleast the users!! This is again a suggestion to improve and tell MS that it wud be doomed if it continues like this if not now then may be 50 years hence!!

and i thought the proverb 'no 1 is perfect' holds true ... maybe not in the case of mediator ... ur urge to see MS windows be perfect is really commendable

Perfect is what I'm working on. I'm still working on fedora 5 without any updates as of yet that came with OOO, messenger, image editing software etc out of box!!

But I was trying to 'suggest' something in this thread as asked. I'm glad u appreciate it and, if had read the whole thread, understand it!!

i got a suggestion why dont u apply for a job at MS and help em coz as ur implying ur knowledge of coding superscedes MS employees u wud be an asset to the company ... or even if u dont want to u cudv tested the betas ...

I wud love to! U may discuss that with Shantanu! There is something called 'contructive criticism' and if some fanboy can't understand that and constipates over it, then it becomes nuthing more than entertaining!

Even if I get a job somehow in MS, then also I wont quit thinking logically and rationally! ATleast I wud quit the advertising job in MS, but give my suggestions/contructive criticisms. Bill gates is a nice man and I am sure he wud understand if some person really wants to code/work logically and raise levels of its company and not reduce it by spreading FUDs and illogical crap all around!!

makes no sense to me

Ur sense level is none of concern. U might be realising how the whole forum sees u......don't mind but 'chotte nawab' or some junior or a second to an MS fanboy?
This is what I gathered by reading other's replies! So read the whole thread from start unbiasedly, might make some sense to u!!

XP+SP2 yaar ... sp2 aaya toh cds aayi abhi vista sp1 aayega toh uski bhi cd aayegi yaar ... mediator u do hav a sense of humor

And wat else M I saying? To just bundle the options in the VISTA-SP1 cds. Read the whole thread bt wat options me n other people suggesting!!

as far as the file delete issue is concerned ... i used vista w/o the hot fix the only problem i faced was that moving deleting files took a lil longer ... thats all i dont see how that makes an OS un-usable ...

Read the thread from the start!

on the contrary Vista's release was made earlier than wen MS wanted to

*www.techdirt.com/articles/20060321/1710238.shtml


Dont mind but it wud be better if u dont post in this thread!

The Home premium Edition is the 2nd topmost Vista Edition available. Its not stripped down in any manner.

When you buy Windows you buy to use it on one computer. If you don't like this then no one is stopping u from using Linux.

All software have bugs. What r u comparing this file delete bug to? Ubuntu also has bugs & they are also silly sometimes which are updated via thre update system too.

There are alternatives to Autopatcher which can be used offline. Have a look at this thread.

There is no student edition with this name. Its just Home premium retail one which students can buy at a reduced cost.

Aero is same all over Windows Vista.

I have tried explaining a lot to you, its really worthless to tell u something cos u want to argue which I don't want in this thread

Again not sticking to the title of this thread? Do have alzheimers that u keep forgetting what this thread is all abt?

 

[gxsaurav]

And wat else M I saying? To just bundle the options in the VISTA-SP1 cds.

Ok, will u let Vista SP1 release first?

Again not sticking to the title of this thread? Do have alzheimers that u keep forgetting what this thread is all abt?

You are saying, Aero is not there in Student while it is there. I just tried clearing your misconception which was a worthless try.

Thus Aero shud be bundled with student edition!

HOW MANY TIME DO I TO MAKE CLEAR HERE THAT AERO IS ALREADY INCLUDED IN HOME PREMIUM EDITION WHICH ANY STUDENT CAN BUY VIA A STUDENT LICENSE IN USA FOR MUCH LOWER COST THEN RETAIL EDITION OF HOME PREMIUM. .

I don't want to loose my calm here but u r irritating & frustrating. I have mentioned it 10 times here already but If you have a problem in reading then sorry, I can't help here & include your suggestions

 

[iMav]

@ mediator

i dont mind playing second fiddle to some 1 who has knowledge more than me be it about linux or mac or windows ...

iv been following this thread from the beginning and the day others' opinions about me start bothering me i think that wud be the day of my doom ....

 

[infra_red_dude]

Ok, will u let Vista SP1 release first?

no, u got it wrong. bundle it wid sp1 release.

 

[gxsaurav]

no, u got it wrong. bundle it wid sp1 release.

Thats why i m running this thread

 

[mediator]

Ok, will u let Vista SP1 release first?

Wat was that? U mean I shud suggest afterwards? We r here to make suggestions and u to forwards them just like Digit feedback and desire section!

You are saying, Aero is not there in Student while it is there. I just tried clearing your misconception which was a worthless try.

U tried to comprehend again but alas failed miserably I guess that was a worthless try!!

My point was simple and straight forward, to put AERO in all such less priced, "strippy, teasy" Windows VISTA versions that are for home use and students i.e for end-users and young generation!!

We recommend upgraders stay away from Vista Home Basic simply because of its lack of key Vista features like Aero, XP migration, unlimited screen resolution support, fast user switching, Media Center components, games, and more.

*pocketpccentral.net/help/vista_brief.htm

Do u want me to put here in forums wat all limitations r there? I guess thats ur job to enlighten usand enhance VISTA sales!

i dont mind playing second fiddle to some 1 who has knowledge more than me be it about linux or mac or windows ...

iv been following this thread from the beginning and the day others' opinions about me start bothering me i think that wud be the day of my doom

Thats ok! I'm glad u dont take anything in forums personally, but try not to act like a fanboy coz it will waste only ur time, u know how, and eat only ur brains! If u had followed the thread from the start, then u wud have understood everything before making me repeat!

It was suggestions that I started from and its suggestions on which I'm maintaining my stand! The thread creator shud just forward such suggestions and post the replies back in here instead giving his sagely opinions. Don't u agree?

 

[iMav]

Thats ok! I'm glad u dont take anything in forums personally

i dont and i expect others also to reciprocate the same towards to me more often

 

[mediator]

Thats more like it! And now see Gx updated his post, with his absurd comprehension!! NOw, Why wont he get frustrated?

 

[gxsaurav]

My point was simple and straight forward, to put AERO in all such less priced, "strippy, teasy" Windows VISTA versions that are for home use and students i.e for end-users and young generation!!

Aero is not included in Home basic & starter edition. These are not targeted at students. These are targeted at low cost low end PCs which cannot run aero anyway due to lack of graphics card. If they later on buy a graphics card, they can simply express upgrade to Home Premium.

I don't know the exect price for this but for a student edition of home basic it is about $60 + $45 upgrade to Home premium Student edition if required. These are same as retail editions with nothing removed.

Starter edition is made for India etc, & yup...point has already been noted.