What do u want to change in Microsoft & Windows Vista?
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mediator
Technomancer
I dint ask to move my license. Please dont deviate! How many times can u activate on VISTA?? Please specify with some number!
Again, this thread is about MS and wat "MS" can do and I want MS to bundle these apps or some software from which I can just click and firefox gets installed or may be some command line utilty which can ease my task! Tell em to reduce their monopoly and that end-users are interested in options and not compulsions from a CD!!
Some screenshot wud be appreciated!
Calm down, when did I say anything bt Linux now? Users want them to increase end-user's ease of use instead of giving priority to their monopoly.
100%. Abt cases, likewise I can ask how come an 'experienced' computer user like u still find Linux uneasy to use when noobies and non-tech guys in here itself find it easy to use and terrific? And that how come ur PC only worked flawless when the rest of the world out there is complaining bt driver and apps incompatibilty on VISTA and hence reverting back to XP?
So please tell MS to give better driver support 'out of box'!!
As expected ur PC is god-sent!
But ur granny shud know! Make her read the MS * EULA! I bet she'll Njoy that a lot!
Can't the world's biggest company find a way to curb piracy? Innocent home users can only give suggestion and ask to develop something better! Wat do u expect from them....to donate some code?
U mean indexing even when user has disabled it? Elaborate!! I want windows not to do anything like that without my permission! Also I want options to switch between GUI and terminal mode and list of packages, that makes OS workable, for user to select according to his needs when installing the OS!
Tell em to combine server, student, ultimate editions all in one so that a person can select a software/app accordingly and to his desire and price it reasonably and not like money hungry gluttons!
nish_higher
Wise Old Owl
i'd like to see windows messenger and live mail without those advertisements
Vishal Gupta
Microsoft MVP
@gx
I want to suggest one thing. It'll be better to forward these suggestions directly to Microsoft instead of sharing them with other MVPs. As I have noticed we are not getting much response in our "Discussion List" and I'm sure very soon some one will come to say that "Don't post these mails here. We already decided it.".
That discussion list is not for these issues. There is a special site for MVPs to submit suggestions/bugs in MS software. I think you'll hv that link otherwise tell me and I'll PM you the link coz I can't share it here. Or I can forward the suggestions if you like. Or may be you hv already done it?
I hvnt read the whole thread but I hv read a few posts and I must admit there are some cool suggestions. Carry on guys.
I want to suggest one thing. It'll be better to forward these suggestions directly to Microsoft instead of sharing them with other MVPs. As I have noticed we are not getting much response in our "Discussion List" and I'm sure very soon some one will come to say that "Don't post these mails here. We already decided it.".
That discussion list is not for these issues. There is a special site for MVPs to submit suggestions/bugs in MS software. I think you'll hv that link otherwise tell me and I'll PM you the link coz I can't share it here. Or I can forward the suggestions if you like. Or may be you hv already done it?
I hvnt read the whole thread but I hv read a few posts and I must admit there are some cool suggestions. Carry on guys.
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gxsaurav
You gave been GXified
There is no number. Ok, the number is 10000000000000000000000000000 times as long as the hardware is samemediator said:
Sorry, plz read the first post about this. Microsoft cannot bundle 3rd party tools & software with Windows. There is nothing about Monopoly here. Period. If you want Firefox, download it. But it cannot be bundled in Windows DVD. Link to Windows Market place is already given when Vista boots in the welcome center.
One example, Apple also makes an OS, do they bundle NeoOffie with OS X? Do they bundle FF with OS X? Why r u not asking them too?
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I guess you just said u r not talking about Linux here
Everyday more & more drivers are being included in Windows update & more & more software are coming in Vista compatible edition. The out of the box experience is already good. If you have genuine Windows XP or Vista then you can simply check on Windows Update for your hardware's drivers. In 99.9999999% cases you will find there.
Even if you are not a legit user, then also you can check Windows Update.
Actually, it is
. Sai-Yo.,...There are millions of computers & Millions of users out there. All have different config, so if you have a better way to curb piracy then plz tell here else your reply is not necessary in this thread.
WGA is not a problem if you are using genuine Windows. Just install it & it will never nag you. I m using WGA here on XP & Vista, & I have never faced a problem. What problem r u facing with WGA? Mind asking for support in Software section. If it asks for check, just let it check
If you disable search indexing service then it is disabled completely.
You are asking this 3rd time, Plz do not repeat same thing.
So you want a user to set the price for Windows? Ok, I will pay $2, will MS give me? Sorry, this cannot be done in business. MS already provides separate editions of Windows for different people.
Ads are how they keep the services free. Yahoo & AOL also gives ad in Webmail & Messenger. You can remove ads from Windows Live mail using a 3rd party tool called A-Patch for Windows Live MessengerNish said:i'd like to see windows messenger and live mail without those advertisements
haat kangan ko aarsi kya....gimme the link. I forwarded 3 to MS, will make whole list & send them
Yo, other experience Windows users, I would appriciate some help from you guys too here for the quaries of those who want things.
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speedrider_100
Broken In
I was Juss going through the post.. and i felt that ppl have lot of misconceptions about Microsoft. let me tell you something-
First thing first i am with MS Tech support(Voice) and we support home and corporate consumers both.
one of you have posted that MS has Covered the market because of it's Monopolistic Nature hmmm... I don think so -
We have been using Linux , MAC, Windows? why MS have captured 85% of market share??
1. Microsoft OS's are the Most user friendly OS's till date. That's why even a 70 year old gentleman can operate it without any problem. You can't find this much easy operation in MAC and Linux. ( that's why MS has 85% market share )
2. ppl in the US states buys MS Retail version disks and get support from MS without any charge. and we don't work for Money for Home consumers MS takes 59$ and provide hassle free unlimited support on that particular case number. even if MS gives resolution to the customer but customer is not satisfied with the support. we offer refund to the customer. This increases customer satisfaction and product consumption. ( that's why MS has 85% market share )
3. We as a MS technicians works for customer satisfaction. We are not like dell, HP or Gateway who don't touch customer's computer if it's out of warranty. We help the customer if it's a Microsoft Operating system without whatsoever issues with it. And for your kind information we have very strict parameters we can not just leave the customer without making him or her satisfied with the support. we use to get surveys from our customer. and all MS sites in India touches the 80% satisfaction marks.( that's why MS has 85% market share )
4. MS doesn't refer customer to HP or Dell. We stays with the customer till the resolution with the third party issue. that's why customer writes appreciation mails. Have you ever written anything for Hutch customer care?? Hah ( that's why MS has 85% market share )
5.Last but no the least if MS charges you for the service so it's worth. they are the only Orginazation in the world who takes open CD packs back after use after 3 months of use without any charge. If you have bought a retail version CD and it's corrupted or you have accideltely used that CD even after that MS will change that CD for you., If you have an OEM version CD MS will give a Brand New CD in favour of it. if your MS CD is gone corrupt MS (after 3-4 years of use )will take 30-45$ to get the CD Replaced.( that's why MS has 85% market share ).
Thanks all! that's what i wanted to say! any suggestions will be appreciated!!
First thing first i am with MS Tech support(Voice) and we support home and corporate consumers both.
one of you have posted that MS has Covered the market because of it's Monopolistic Nature hmmm... I don think so -
We have been using Linux , MAC, Windows? why MS have captured 85% of market share??
1. Microsoft OS's are the Most user friendly OS's till date. That's why even a 70 year old gentleman can operate it without any problem. You can't find this much easy operation in MAC and Linux. ( that's why MS has 85% market share )
2. ppl in the US states buys MS Retail version disks and get support from MS without any charge. and we don't work for Money for Home consumers MS takes 59$ and provide hassle free unlimited support on that particular case number. even if MS gives resolution to the customer but customer is not satisfied with the support. we offer refund to the customer. This increases customer satisfaction and product consumption. ( that's why MS has 85% market share )
3. We as a MS technicians works for customer satisfaction. We are not like dell, HP or Gateway who don't touch customer's computer if it's out of warranty. We help the customer if it's a Microsoft Operating system without whatsoever issues with it. And for your kind information we have very strict parameters we can not just leave the customer without making him or her satisfied with the support. we use to get surveys from our customer. and all MS sites in India touches the 80% satisfaction marks.( that's why MS has 85% market share )
4. MS doesn't refer customer to HP or Dell. We stays with the customer till the resolution with the third party issue. that's why customer writes appreciation mails. Have you ever written anything for Hutch customer care?? Hah ( that's why MS has 85% market share )
5.Last but no the least if MS charges you for the service so it's worth. they are the only Orginazation in the world who takes open CD packs back after use after 3 months of use without any charge. If you have bought a retail version CD and it's corrupted or you have accideltely used that CD even after that MS will change that CD for you., If you have an OEM version CD MS will give a Brand New CD in favour of it. if your MS CD is gone corrupt MS (after 3-4 years of use )will take 30-45$ to get the CD Replaced.( that's why MS has 85% market share ).
Thanks all! that's what i wanted to say! any suggestions will be appreciated!!
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gxsaurav
You gave been GXified
Nice work speedrider, we needed some explanation for sure.
Microsoft did not become a monopoly over night, they created software, people used it, they liked it, they bought it a lot. They wanted OEMs to install it on there computers when they buy it so it was given as installed. This is why Microsoft has 85% Market share.
Post 1 in this thread has been updated with user feedback about what they want & solutions for the time being.
Anirudh, I don't have a Linux partition on my real HD. Can you plz check this from my 1st post & state here whether u can read & write properly or not from Windows.
Microsoft did not become a monopoly over night, they created software, people used it, they liked it, they bought it a lot. They wanted OEMs to install it on there computers when they buy it so it was given as installed. This is why Microsoft has 85% Market share.
Post 1 in this thread has been updated with user feedback about what they want & solutions for the time being.
Anirudh, I don't have a Linux partition on my real HD. Can you plz check this from my 1st post & state here whether u can read & write properly or not from Windows.
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infra_red_dude
Wire muncher!
yes, it is. its the biggest PITA! i believe the nags of a wife are lesser than those of WGA!!!! i'm really sick of validating windows so many times. as mediator said, ur PC/windows is God-sent!gx_saurav said:
one more request: windows boot loader should learn to co-exist wid a linux system. meaning if i install linux first then windows then it should add linux to its bootloader (jus like it does for any prev. version of windows)
tho i may say, that linux doesn't look soooooooo easy (after using windows) but surely MAC is the easiest to use. i don't agree wid this point of urs.speedrider_100 said:
secondly, i've solved all the problems myself and hence never got a chance to interact wid MS support. but reading all that u posted abt the customer support, i'm really happy about it. cheers
edit: 3rd party software for ext2/3 support are available and thats what i'm using now. and GX it works. but i suggested out of the box read only support for ext2/3.
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gxsaurav
You gave been GXified
infra_red_dude said:
On my genuine Windows Vista & XP installation the only time WGA appears when I go to Microsoft.com to download something manually which asks for WGA validation. It never appears ever again.
Sure, have a look at Vista's BCDEdit. I M using Vista bootloader to load Mac OS while booting. You can also have a look at EasyBCD 1.7
Although I do agree that native support for this should be there in Windows, in the meantime you can simply use Ext2IFS. This is for those who say Windows cannot read Ext2 etc at all.
infra_red_dude
Wire muncher!
again if'd to use 3rd party boot loaders then i can edit grub. thats the best. what i meant was that windows should learn to respect the existance of other OS like solaris/linux etc. and not overwrite the boot sectors wid its own but add the OS to its boot sector. i'm sorry to say vista's boot loader doesn't do it for solaris or any linux.gx_saurav said:
i don't think anybody said that. if ppl are smart enuf to know abt ext2/3 FS they are smart enuf to make it readable under windowsgx_saurav said:
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gxsaurav
You gave been GXified
infra_red_dude said:
For this, GRUB developers should come forward & work with MS. They are the one developing GRUB not MS. You can Linux to bootloader of Vista using either EasyBCD (GUI) or BCDEdit.exe (CLI)
HIH, mediator, & many more said Windows cannot read Ext2/3 here in this very thread. Just clearing the misconception. I would urge other users such as u, iMav, vishal to come forward & help here too.i don't think anybody said that. if ppl are smart enuf to know abt ext2/3 FS they are smart enuf to make it readable under windows
infra_red_dude
Wire muncher!
d00d, you aint getting the point. if i hafta edit then i may well use grub. my point is that it should automatically add the older boot record to it when windows is installed after the installation of any other OS.gx_saurav said:
infra_red_dude
Wire muncher!
its pointless to speak wid you. plz do NOT forward this suggestion to MS and i'm sure even they won't understand what is being suggested!!! let alone implementing it...gx_saurav said:
writing the boot sector to a file and then pointing the entry in the windows boot loader to that file to load unix/linux. is it that hard? or is it that grub developers, in collaboration wid authorities haf implemented a law that nobody can touch grub!!! this is what even the windows (for prev. versions of windows) and 3rd party boot loaders (for all OSs) do!
grub developers should come and work wid MS coz windows overwrites the unix-like/linux boot sectors!!!....
i dunno what to say....
infra_red_dude
Wire muncher!
ok i've told how its done.
anyways, lets forget that post and think this: GRUB is an open source software. are MS coders and engineers so dumb that they don't understand what the code contains???!!!!
anyways, lets forget that post and think this: GRUB is an open source software. are MS coders and engineers so dumb that they don't understand what the code contains???!!!!
moreover all the pieces of code in vista are closed source and proprietory. how can an outsider tell MS how to implement a feature in their software? outsiders can only say what they want, how they want is not something they are concerned wid if its not OSS!gx_saurav said:
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gxsaurav
You gave been GXified
infra_red_dude said:
It is not made by MS. With user demand MS can implement this using there own method. However, I doubt there is any need cos GRUB is already there which works.
Microsoft does allows partners to have a look and audit the code & give it back to MS for checking & implementation. Zeeshan already made this clear long time ago.
mediator
Technomancer
Are u deliberately trying to conceal something? [SIZE=+1]PLease specify the number of activations for different hardware/on diff machines for VISTA installation!![/SIZE]
I hope ur aptitude/comprehension isn't that bad to have not understood such a simple statement!!
It wud be better if MS gives some tool that can point towards firefox, ownload it and install it in just 1-2 clicks!! Atleast try telling them that!
Coz this thread isn't bt Apple or Linux! So better keep it to MS-* !!
Ofcors not! But that was just a general analogy of the cases u talked bt. I didn't say anything bt Linux being better or some OS war did I?
WE had the 'file delete' problem. How can the 'out of box' experience be good then? May be with VISTA-SP1 it will be. But u don't expect the rest of the world complaining bt drivers problem and apps incompatibility to be joking do u?
The piracy problem is MS's problem, not end-user's! Read the thread u created first. Please stop forgetting what u started!
WGA annoys genuine users too. WE r not concerned if MS had sympathy on ur machine. Tell MS to rectify that crapware!!
Please show me the other 2 times if I repeated! Terminal shud be an added advantage from where I can control my OS completely, so tell them that I shud have some options to chose bet terminal and GUI!!
Then update ur EULA of things (ur first page again) that MS can't do!! Too bad home users/students r devoid of AERO!
The source is open. U think MS can't see that and program accordingly? If OSS developers can bring in support for proprietary an dclosed source formats, then y can't the world's biggest company do that for atleast Open source formats? Note it and tell them!!
As beta testers? Since ur machine is god-sent, it wud be better if u first lay ur hands on MS developed softwares first and test them. I certainly do not want a BSOD on my system!!
And please kindly tell the activation times for a VISTA CD being used for different machines!!
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gxsaurav
You gave been GXified
I m not here to argue with u mediator.
[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]Stop trolling plz. I have already said that you can move your license from one computer to another computer 10 times after calling MS tech support. They will simply ask u 3 questions about it, & will move your license. After this the old computer will no longer qualify as a genuine Windows cos your license is now on the new computer.
You buy Windows Vista license to use it at one computer at one time. If you buy a new computer "move" the license to the new computer.
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There are drivers & app compability problems. However it is the responsibility of hardware manufacturers to make Vista compliant drivers & for the ISVs to make Vista compatible apps. Vista was given to hardware manufacturers & ISVs already to make compliant apps since 2 years during the Beta stage. With each passing day the situation is changing.
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[SIZE=+1]mediator said:
[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]Stop trolling plz. I have already said that you can move your license from one computer to another computer 10 times after calling MS tech support. They will simply ask u 3 questions about it, & will move your license. After this the old computer will no longer qualify as a genuine Windows cos your license is now on the new computer.
You buy Windows Vista license to use it at one computer at one time. If you buy a new computer "move" the license to the new computer.
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Sorry, Firefox is a 3rd party product which Microsoft has made available on Windows marketplaces & cannot bundle with Windows. You are getting it in Microsoft's own Windows Market place, the link is right there in Windows Welcome center, what else do u want? Spoon feeding? If this doesn't work for u, stop trolling this thread cos I have mentioned it already many times.
Plz stop trolling the thread. The file delete problem was not universal & those who were facing this problem can simply call at Microsoft Tech support to get the appropriate fix which is also available now via Windows Update
There are drivers & app compability problems. However it is the responsibility of hardware manufacturers to make Vista compliant drivers & for the ISVs to make Vista compatible apps. Vista was given to hardware manufacturers & ISVs already to make compliant apps since 2 years during the Beta stage. With each passing day the situation is changing.
And Microsoft is taking measures to prevent Piracy. Like I said, if you have a better solution then WGA then come forward & tell here. Don't just shout whose problem is it cos we are here to find solutions, not to whine about problems.
Did you tried looking for Windows PowerShell
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Stop trolling if you don't know anything. Only Vista basic & starter edition comes without Aero. A student can very well buy Home Premium at a very reduced price if the college is in collaboration with Microsoft. In USA, a student can buy Home Premium for as low as $100
The feature is already there in form of BCDedit.exe (CLI) or EasyBCD (GUI). How many times will u have problem in reading. I m not going to repeat this again.
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