Ubuntu Linux Vs. Windows Vista: The Battle For Your Desktop

[infra_red_dude]

aren't we discussing abt ubuntu and windows here??? i'm kinda confused.. is this an ubuntu vs. windows thread? or a mac vs. windows thread? or a windows vista help thread??!!!

i see the move by dell to bundle ubuntu preinstalled as a positive sign to spread the word abt linux

Point , but we(windows users) never even started the comparing , it is only the newly-introduced to linux users that show this kinda behaviour .(for eg. linux will crush windows , bla bla bla ) . most veteran linux users know where Windows is useful n where linux is n both have their respective niche.

well said Zeeshan... very true!

 

[mediator]

, mate i till-date haven't ever experienced a BSOD in either XP or Vista . and if u are admant at showing that XP n Vista crash too much then what say that a major part of web-servers r running on Unix n Unix like OSes so how some they get hacked huh ? (plz i'm only asking this to freebird coz i know other users do have better stuff to do than search google for problems in MS software )

I know this is specific to freebird, but just to remind that comparing BSOD to hackings isn't sensible u know! I wud appreciate if u ponder a little bit over this and I think I already elaborated about security/hackings in another thread!

Point , but we(windows users) never even started the comparing , it is only the newly-introduced to linux users that show this kinda behaviour .(for eg. linux will crush windows , bla bla bla ) . most veteran linux users know where Windows is useful n where linux is n both have their respective niche .

I understand. But when windows users start talking about Linuxes and show their ignorance and FUD, then also it is equally and very annoying. A few exceptions even start a thread to show that other OS is inferior by all means. I don't bother much about this, but I do try to end the topic like I did here and in some previous debates. Some times I dont pay any attention at all and thats what I request u to do.
If u don't like anybody posting news threads about windows bugs like that "copy problem" one then just ignore it. Why even fight over it? This is no reason to hate a user. But yea, when someone shows FUDS u can just correct him....isn't that simple?

heck in linux u mostly can't use the software packages meant for ver1 in as near a version as v1.1 , they mostly have boken compatibility .

Shud I consider this as another FUD? U r saying like this a frequent case!
When installing v1.1, the libraries will also most probably get upgraded. I have rarely encountered an issue like that. So the term "mostly" that u used isn't suited here!

 

[aryayush]

it's as simlpe as to why mac user's don't admit that the File Renaming Process is not remotely obvious n has to be searched-for in the help menu

It is confusing only for existing Windows users who switch to the Mac. Macs have always had a simple single key shortcut for renaming files. Now just because Microsoft decided to change this shortcut because it made more sense to them does not mean that Apple have to change it too. It is not as if renaming files requires you to right click on a file, select mark, then go to the option 'send an email' to rename the file. It is a simple shortcut that happens to be different from the Windows shortcut. And it wasn't Apple who changed the shortcut, it was Microsoft.

And BTW, why would it require you to seek help? Surely the first thing you'd want to do when you switch to a Mac won't be renaming a file. Whenever you try to open a file from the keyboard for the first time, you'll come to know the shortcut for renaming files. I never had to search any help menu for knowing the shortcut to rename or open files.

 

[Zeeshan Quireshi]

When installing v1.1, the libraries will also most probably get upgraded. I have rarely encountered an issue like that. So the term "mostly" that u used isn't suited here!

u didn't get me , i'm saying that when the OS is updated from v1.0 to v1.1 then apps which worked in v1.0 are broken in v1.1 . nyways as i said my quetion was to Freebird who'se the most active OS adman/salesman i've even seen , that's y i specifically asked only freebird to answer the question n not a rational being

It is confusing only for existing Windows users who switch to the Mac. Macs have always had a simple single key shortcut for renaming files.

actually i rarely use the keyboard , most of my work is done without the keyboard so i didn't press the enter key . nyways my point wasn't that MS changed the key , my point was that the "Enter" key most naturally means "Execute" so it is not obvious at first that enter key will be used to rename a file . my point should be considered rfom the usability point of view . in Unix , Solaris , Linux , or ny ohter OS that i've used , Enter does mean to execute a file n not rename it
heck even in the command line , you press enter after typing a command to "execute" it .

 

[blackleopard92]

to me, it boils down to useability. i would always spend 1 hr learning an app rather than figuring out how to install it. and vista/XP wins hands down in this department.

and in XP, to view advanced properties. u can goto start>programs>accesories>system tools>system information.
that's one click!!!

and u can always create desktop shortcut if u want access to it all the time.

 

[led_shankar]

Who says it takes anything over, say, 5 minutes to figure out how to install linux applications?
Read the README + follow the instructions -> jhingalala

 

[saurabh.sauron]

Who says it takes anything over, say, 5 minutes to figure out how to install linux applications?
Read the README + follow the instructions -> jhingalala

bingo. read, copy, execute commands and forget about it...

 

[freebird]

i
hey mate r u trying to dodge the question i just posted to you in my earlier post ?

GNU/Linux server security is much better as u know(netfilter iptables).Windows never can have the security that UNIX systems have.take it.
for ur question on versions!:

*en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Windows_and_Linux#Installation
*en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Windows_and_Linux
Now What I posted was truth only.dont get pwned.I know U r quueing me for some posts.now dear,pls answer me,ur questions says Linux doesnot have this,that....Honestly say-Did u ever tried reading what FOSS really is?
If u dont i have a humble suggestion-leave Linux,enjoy with Vista.
STOP THE FUD
Dont listen to the fanatic window users,just think about it.
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To someone else's note:I am a GNU/Linux user for 4 yrs.does it make me count Linux Newbie?
I am enjoying the freedom it gives.@Zeeshan kid cant particularly digest this.I am not gonna change my avatar any soon
I tries my best to solve problems posted in Open SOurce section.

 

[led_shankar]

I'd also like to mention that people who berate software/OS choices of others are juvenile, idiotic and -most importantly- DISRESPECTFUL to the whole developer community. Shame on you all.

 

[gxsaurav]

I'd also like to mention that people who berate software/OS choices of others are juvenile, idiotic and -most importantly- DISRESPECTFUL to the whole developer community. Shame on you all.

Right said, use whatever you want. Just don't rant about your products neing the best cos it is not without its flaws.

Good night.

 

[nepcker]

@Zeeshan Quireshi:

it's as simple as to why mac user's don't admit that the File Renaming Process is not remotely obvious n has to be searched-for in the help menu

You seem to have forgotten that I did say that the rename process was a little less obvious. I find it quite intuitive, but since Windows users are accustomed to Right Click | Rename, it will be a little more trouble to native Windows users.

And since you have previously (somewhat indirectly, maybe you were joking) been saying that user-friendliness is directly proportional to no. of clicks, less no. of steps is required on a mac.

On Windows, you click on the file, then you right click on the file, then you select "Rename". On Mac OS X, you just select the file and hit Return (or Enter, if you're not using a mac keyboard).

@blackleopard92:

to me, it boils down to usability. i would always spend 1 hr learning an app rather than figuring out how to install it. and vista/XP wins hands down in this department.

and in XP, to view advanced properties. u can goto start>programs>accesories>system tools>system information.
that's one click!!!

and u can always create desktop shortcut if u want access to it all the time.

LOL! The first click is on the Start, and the next is on "system information". How is that just one click? Besides, you cannot just say that Windows is more usable simply because of less no. of clicks required. The thing that counts is no. of steps, not clicks. If no. of clicks were of more concern, then installing apps on Linux doesn't require many clicks. You just need to type the command and press enter/return, but that doesn't count as a click, does it?

And oh, as an added info for you, on Mac OS X, to install most apps, you don't even need to go through the boring Next | Next | Next loops, neither do you have to type some long list of commands. You just drag the app to the Applications folder, and it's now ready to use!

@gx_saurav:

Right said, use whatever you want. Just don't rant about your products being the best cos it is not without its flaws..

Who said to you that any OS is perfect? All OSes has its own sets of pros and cons, it's just that some have more pros than others.

You can't even accept that "Windows Experience Index" is not an obvious place to hide the system specs!

 

[Zeeshan Quireshi]

use whatever you want. Just don't rant about your products neing the best cos it is not without its flaws.

whoa , after a long time

On Windows, you click on the file, then you right click on the file, then you select "Rename". On Mac OS X, you just select the file and hit 'return'.

that's my point , Enter on major OS'es and in general means Execute , whereas in Mac it means rename , is this what you call usability ?

Did u ever tried reading what FOSS really is?

well mate i haev read a lot of the history of Unix n Linux n what inspirations went into making GNUn FSF that's y i meant to say that every OS has flaws but you just seem to say that Linux is Perfect n Vista is crap , it is to this notion that i was urged to post in this Thread .

 

[infra_red_dude]

when someone shows FUDS u can just correct him....isn't that simple?

the most sensible thing to do. rightly said!

It is confusing only for existing Windows users who switch to the Mac.

exactly! everyone is comfortable in the OS they use. so when someone wants to try out or use a diff OS, then the person must be ready to learn something. u can't expect everything to be catered to what u had prev.

lets consider this, the cbZ has a 1 down, 4 up gear shift while the pulsars (til recently) had all down gear shifts. now when somebody says that i recently shifted from cbz to pulsar and i can't shift gears. this bike is ****! won't that sound absurd??!!! same is the case whether a linux user used windows or vice versa (mac included too!)

if u expect something from the OS then the OS also expects something from u. u needn't master it to just try or use it. but u shud at least bother to learn basic usability.

Use whatever you want. Just don't rant about your products neing the best cos it is not without its flaws.

very correct. be it linux, mac or windows every OS has some flaws....

btw, i installed freespire and this was the linux distro closest to windows, played wmv,mp3,qt almost all media files out of the box. interface was similar to windows and if u consider the polishing, then i must say acc. to me this is the "most polished" distro. new migrants who complain of linux being complex shud try this distro first, familiarize themselves wid linux and then move on to more unix like distros like ubuntu.

 

[freebird]

^^even catb fame ESR is now supporting freespire

 

[gxsaurav]

On Windows, you click on the file, then you right click on the file, then you select "Rename". On Mac OS X, you just select the file and hit Return (or Enter, if you're not using a mac keyboard).

You never used Windows, did U? , How about pressing F2

And oh, as an added info for you, on Mac OS X, to install most apps, you don't even need to go through the boring Next | Next | Next loops, neither do you have to type some long list of commands. You just drag the app to the Applications folder, and it's now ready to use!

umm,,,not exectly. You need to read the EULA then wait for the dmg to decompress then copy & things on max are precompiled binary which results in higher file size.

You can't even accept that "Windows Experience Index" is not an obvious place to hide the system specs!

What does those number signify Nepcker . It is also not obvious that you will find System info in a menubar....reserved at the top for alimighty Apple.

 

[Kiran.dks]

On Windows, you click on the file, then you right click on the file, then you select "Rename". On Mac OS X, you just select the file and hit Return (or Enter, if you're not using a mac keyboard).

Now that clearly says how noob you are to Windows. I wonder how are you able to comment such big anti Windows quotes without knowing about it. Just stop the rubbish and stick to a Mac.

LOL! The first click is on the Start, and the next is on "system information". How is that just one click? Besides, you cannot just say that Windows is more usable simply because of less no. of clicks required. The thing that counts is no. of steps, not clicks. If no. of clicks were of more concern, then installing apps on Linux doesn't require many clicks. You just need to type the command and press enter/return, but that doesn't count as a click, does it?

First learn to create shortcuts in Windows if you are using one.

And oh, as an added info for you, on Mac OS X, to install most apps, you don't even need to go through the boring Next | Next | Next loops, neither do you have to type some long list of commands. You just drag the app to the Applications folder, and it's now ready to use!

There is something 'sensible' info given for click of 'Next'. Learn to read.

Who said to you that any OS is perfect? All OSes has its own sets of pros and cons, it's just that some have more pros than others.

Point noted!

 

[nepcker]

@gx_saurav:

You never used Windows, did U? , How about pressing F2

Yes, pressing F2 does the job, but it, too, isn't obvious for a rename job.

umm,,,not exectly. You need to read the EULA then wait for the dmg to decompress then copy & things on max are precompiled binary which results in higher file size.

That's for downloaded applications. DMGs are disk images, not installers. This is like a virtual hard drive or a virtual CD, and is a convenient way to place a number of related files together for installation.

For softwares that come in CD/DVD, I just insert the disc into my Mac -- and a Finder window will open showing the contents of the disc. Usually, all I'll need to to do is drag a folder from the disc’s window to the desired final location on my hard drive -- typically the Applications folder. (Most commercial software will have some form of Read Me file or simple instructions visible in the disc’s window, so you can follow that if you get confused somewhere.)

It is also not obvious that you will find System info in a menubar....reserved at the top for alimighty Apple.

Okay, Mr. Usabilty Guru, can you please tell me its ideal location -- the ideal location for all the OSes to show the system config.

@Kiran_tech_mania:

Now that clearly says how noob you are to Windows. I wonder how are you able to comment such big anti Windows quotes without knowing about it.

Yes, F2 works, and I use it whenever I use Windows. But is mentioning the steps involved for renaming a file in Windows my "anti Windows" comments? I just said that renaming is no harder on Mac OS X than it is on Windows. That was my point.

There is something 'sensible' info given for click of 'Next'. Learn to read.

Yes, some things are sensible, but not all.

"This will install XXX on your computer." Like I didn't know what I was about to install!

 

[Zeeshan Quireshi]

"This will install XXX on your computer." Like I didn't know what I was about to install!

as far as i remember , when i nstalled DivX on mac i had to click on next , 4 times and also had to click on "I Agree" before clicking next

PS: that too was before mounting the "dmg" , that's 1 click more .

 

[Kiran.dks]

Yes, F2 works, and I use it whenever I use Windows.

Inspite of knowing that F2 works, you managed to write a long one for Windows. Isn't it?...(Observe the bolded ones!)

" On Windows, you click on the file, then you right click on the file, then you select "Rename". On Mac OS X, you just select the file and hit Return (or Enter, if you're not using a mac keyboard).

How about this...

"On Windows, you click on the file, and just press F2 to rename! "

But is mentioning the steps involved for renaming a file in Windows my "anti Windows" comments? I just said that renaming is no harder on Mac OS X than it is on Windows. That was my point.

My quote was for most of the posts in this thread, not just for renaming.

Yes, some things are sensible, but not all.

"This will install XXX on your computer." Like I didn't know what I was about to install!

Your points are really very dumb. An exe file name will never give full info about what you are installing. Hence there is a need to shown the FULL PROGRAM name and VERSION prior to installing. This is essential.

 

[Zeeshan Quireshi]

also Nepcker doesn't seem to know that in windows you don't hv to click a file n then right click it , you can simply right-click it n select rename

that's 2 clicks not three .

also this means that Mac is not usable completely without the Keyboard , in Windows i can do almost all my tasks without using the Keyboard .

honestly , nepcker have u even used windows for a single day , doesn't seem so .