Ubuntu Linux Vs. Windows Vista: The Battle For Your Desktop

[mediator]

even i didnt say anything about codecs , just said that running internet or any thing in linux had to be configured before usage.. if you say no then god knows your chemistry...

I know. Lets see how many say, "I didn't say that". As sherlock homes says "Remove the wrongs and u get the right"

But internet need not be configured. If u have ethernet, then u have internet up and running. If u don't have a linux distro installed then try knoppix!

 

[nepcker]

Right click on your "Computer" Link in start menu & select properties. Done...is it that hard to figure out? You are trying to find out your computer properties right.

I only get the RAM and processor details. Where are the detailed system specs?

Umm...what kind of English is that?

Did MacOS X had drivers for hardware from 3rd party the day it was released? Did Tiger had new compatible 3rd party drivers available from day 1? I guess it didn't even supported backward compatible drivers due to which Panther drivers install on Tiger.

I'm not saying that this is Vista's fault. I just mean to say that Vista does indeed show BSOD. Shantanu had said that BSOD will only be visible to people who can't get "computing in right sense". You buy an incompatible hardware and Vista shows a BSOD -- is it that the user can't get "computing in right sense"?

 

[i_am_crack]

As far as system administerator is concerned (Like me) Hell all the OS has Pro's and Con's..Now don't ask me what are they....?

When to figure what is the system spec..in Windows.. i think you know about system information (msinfo32.exe) right? and yeap we have hell of 3rd party tools too...

Dude.. nepcker you talk like a moron now....Not that i hate Mac...especially the look...But I can't ignore the rich features which M$ always incorporates to its OS...Please stop bugging around saying only bad things...

As i said All the OS has Pro's and con's

my 2 cents..

eBro

 

[gxsaurav]

I only get the RAM and processor details. Where are the detailed system specs?

About this mac also shows only CPU & RAM details, along with OS version. Windows has been showing details this way since Windows 98

Just Right click on computer -> Properties. Then click on "windows experience index" number & then "view & print details". Done.

I'm not saying that this is Vista's fault. I just mean to say that Vista does indeed show BSOD. Shantanu had said that BSOD will only be visible to people who can't get "computing in right sense". You buy an incompatible hardware and Vista shows a BSOD -- is it that the user can't get "computing in right sense"?

If you buy an incompatible hardware it will not result in BSOD. It will just not work & nothing will happen.

If you try installing something which changes the system settigs & files then this means you are tinkering with the system which obviously isn't recomended & will lead to system instability.

 

[nepcker]

About this mac also shows only CPU & RAM details, along with OS version. Windows has been showing details this way since Windows 98

Just Right click on computer -> Properties. Then click on "windows experience index" number & then "view & print details". Done.

No, you choose "About This Mac", and click on "More Info". You'll get the detailed specs.

If you buy an incompatible hardware it will not result in BSOD. It will just not work & nothing will happen.

There was a thread about Vista showing a BSOD due to a graphics card from ATi which didn't have drivers for Vista. So, incompatible hardware will result in a BSOD in Windows.

 

[gxsaurav]

There was a thread about Vista showing a BSOD due to a graphics card from ATi which didn't have drivers for Vista. So, incompatible hardware will result in a BSOD in Windows.

Refer me to that thread.

If a graphics card has no drivers in Vista inbuilt, then Vista will start in VGA Mode of 640X480 resolution & from there you can insert the manufacturer CD in CD drive to install drivers or using the newly downloaded driver.

Suppose there is an existing Windows Vista installation & you plug in a new ATI graphics card, then Windows will boot in low quality & colour mode & tell you that there are no drivers. It will then present you to install driver option by which you can install.

 

[aryayush]

I only get the RAM and processor details. Where are the detailed system specs?

It is not immediately obvious but you have to go to 'Hardware >> Device Manager', to see all the hardware you have installed in your system. I am talking about Windows XP here. It is done differently in Windows Vista but I don't have the patience to reboot into it just to check it out right now.

Oh, and don't expect even a fraction of the details that System Profiler on a Mac shows you. If you want to see all the software you have installed on your system, you have to go to 'Control Panel >> Add or Remove Programs'. Again, don't expect the lever of detail that System Profiler gives you in one simple window.

 

[gxsaurav]

It is not immediately obvious but you have to go to 'Hardware >> Device Manager', to see all the hardware you have installed in your system. I am talking about Windows XP here. It is done differently in Windows Vista but I don't have the patience to reboot into it just to check it out right now.

Device manager gives device specific info. In Windows Vista you don't need to go to Device manager at all.

Just Right click on computer -> Properties. Then click on "windows experience index" number & then "view & print details". Done.

 

[aryayush]

In case you haven't noticed, that's four clicks already. And no one in his right mind would think that clicking on "Windows Experience Index" would eventually lead him to the system configuration.

I'm not criticising them. Microsoft does some things well, but designing user interfaces is certainly not their forte.

 

[Zeeshan Quireshi]

I'm not criticising them. Microsoft does some things well, but designing user interfaces is certainly not their forte.

but in mac too , to see system profiler you have to click on GO , then utilities n then system profiler , that's 3 cliks here

but as many have said wahever may be the problems but Vista IS better than Linux currently as a Desktop OS(although XP is better than Linux too).

plz take note than i'm talking bout a Desktop OS n not in server situation .

 

[aryayush]

Keep System Profiler in the dock. You'll need just one click.
It is not just about the number of clicks though (but it matters too), it is about user interface design. Which one makes more sense? "Start >> Computer (right click) >> Properties >> Windows Experience Index >> View and Print Details" or "Apple >> About This Mac >> More Info..."? Tell me objectively.

And this is a quote from earlier in this thread:

Windows Vista would be the clear winner for most people and I don't think they would be wrong.

Even I agree that Windows is better than Linux.

 

[gxsaurav]

Right click on your "Computer" Link in start menu & select properties. Done...is it that hard to figure out? You are trying to find out your computer properties right.

2nd, type in start menu "System"

OMG writing "S Y S T E M" is 6 clicks

 

[nepcker]

When I tried typing "system", I was taken to "C:\WINDOWS\system". (This is in XP, haven't tried that in Vista.)

If typing "system" in Vista gives me the detailed specs (like Apple menu | About this mac | More info... gives me), can anyone provide me its screenshot. (I'm too lazy to start Vista right now) I'd like to know what that "system" command really shows.

 

[aryayush]

OMG writing "S Y S T E M" is 6 clicks

Once you know how to do something, it can be done even if it requires two hundred clicks, various key combinations, DOS commands and even a reboot or two. But the thing that is called user interface design means making things obvious and easy for the end users, users who may be using your operating system for the first time.

And BTW, of all the methods thus far, this one was the most difficult. No one in their right mind would think, "oh, I need to know the hardware configuration for my system. Let me search for the word 'system'."

 

[gxsaurav]

When I tried typing "system", I was taken to "C:\WINDOWS\system". (This is in XP, haven't tried that in Vista.)

You asked for Vista, didn't you? Comon you are yourself confused for what you require.

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Click on System.

I'm too lazy to start Vista right now

There is no remedy to lazyness. Don't worry, Mac users are generally lazy when it comes to doing something on there own.

Once you know how to do something, it can be done even if it requires two hundred clicks, various key combinations, DOS commands and even a reboot or two. But the thing that is called user interface design means making things obvious and easy for the end users, users who may be using your operating system for the first time.

Winkey + Pause/break

The user wants to know the properties of his "Computer", so obviously he will go to Start menu & Right click on "computer" -> Properties. Done.

Type system

Is it really hard to figure out? (read the reason above)

 

[Zeeshan Quireshi]

Keep System Profiler in the dock. You'll need just one click.
It is not just about the number of clicks though (but it matters too), it is about user interface design. Which one makes more sense? "Start >> Computer (right click) >> Properties >> Windows Experience Index >> View and Print Details" or "Apple >> About This Mac >> More Info..."? Tell me objectively.

And this is a quote from earlier in this thread:Even I agree that Windows is better than Linux.

well it's actually a 2 sclick procedure , on desktop right-clicke your my computer icon n then click properties , that's it you have ur system info .

excuse me.. but as far as i know (correct me if i am wrong) UBUNTU is based on linux isnt it means the same platform which is from years (unix and all) (i dont have much knowledge) so you are saying windows 3.0 why not unix and all.. many things are ready made for ubuntu also.. every distro is made onyl by some enhancements made to the base RAW linux platform.. isnt it...

my point exactly , When linux was made it didn't evn have to chart out a plan of what it had to make , Linux is described by it's creator as a Unix-Like OS , also many of the GNU utilities used by linux distros were there from much earlier than linux , they were creater during the UNIX era . we can have a very long list of projecs that r an integral part of ny linux distro nowadays n that which were present longs before the linux kernel was even introduced

@ TILL DATE NO BSODS IN XP OR VISTA.. :
I hoped it was R(red)SOD for Vista,but no suprises!!!

, mate i till-date haven't ever experienced a BSOD in either XP or Vista . and if u are admant at showing that XP n Vista crash too much then what say that a major part of web-servers r running on Unix n Unix like OSes so how some they get hacked huh ? (plz i'm only asking this to freebird coz i know other users do have better stuff to do than search google for problems in MS software )

@freebird with respect to ur signature most of windows users dont work for the kgb, cia, raw, al-queda tht we need security the amount of security tht windows provides coupled with some common sense which i guess lacks in OSC and hence they say tht ubuntu came today and vista came in 1990

;D , will be interesting to see what freebird will say to the Server hacking question . btw , i DON'T use an antivirus n i haven't been infected by any trojan/worm/virus/etc .

ofcourse,emulation exists.CEDEGA can play win games in Linux.crossover office for a majority of win apps and WINE too.

and waht bygone games does cadega play ? also cadega is emulating windows it's not natively playing games on linux so no pint in telling about it coz it will only shows MS's prowess in gaming market

N i never pointed towards u "if u can read and understand simple english". Its for people who talk about preinstalled stuff,preinstalled codecs, have some kind of disability that they can't google and then say linux hasn't got this and that software. Its for people who think they can compare OS1 with OS2 where they have 10 yrs of experience with OS1 and almost null with OS2 and then keep on talking about "common sense" a lot while using windows whereas they act and behave like lamers when using Linux! Its "nonsense" to hiberbnate ur "common sense" while using Linux u know!

Point , but we(windows users) never even started the comparing , it is only the newly-introduced to linux users that show this kinda behaviour .(for eg. linux will crush windows , bla bla bla ) . most veteran linux users know where Windows is useful n where linux is n both have their respective niche .

Ubuntu is the clear winner. i tried vista and it is crap. no antivirus support, a big resource hog, no real improvements over XP and horrendous software compatibility are major irritants.

people said the same for XP when it was released , give Vista some time to streatch it's legs man , let software developers utilize the new API's n services provided n then you won't face software compatibility problem .

heck in linux u mostly can't use the software packages meant for ver1 in as near a version as v1.1 , they mostly have boken compatibility .

 

[freebird]

I'm not criticising them. Microsoft does some things well, but designing user interfaces is certainly not their forte.

As an avid GNU/Linux user also.I'd anytime admit that M$ are better in designing UI that makes it easier for new computer users too
infact they are mostly into user friendliness.under the hood,it is woods!

 

[nepcker]

The user wants to know the properties of his "Computer", so obviously he will go to Start menu & Right click on "computer" -> Properties. Done.

I just want to figure out the complete system configuration of my computer, all in one place, without the use of a 3rd party app, and without much trouble.

Does "properties" of a pc and "complete system configuration" mean the same thing? I don't think so.

So, even if a user thinks the way you think he should, he'll only get the CPU and RAM details. I don't think that the average user will think that the specs are hidden on the "Windows Experience Index".

 

[aryayush]

Yeah, why is it so difficult to admit such a simple, point-of-fact matter?

You think "Windows Experience Index" is the ideal heading for hiding your system configuration! Way to go, usability genius!

 

[Zeeshan Quireshi]

Yeah, why is it so difficult to admit such a simple, point-of-fact matter?

You think "Windows Experience Index" is the ideal heading for hiding your system configuration! Way to go, usability genius!

it's as simlpe as to why mac user's don't admit that the File Renaming Process is not remotely obvious n has to be searched-for in the help menu

As an avid GNU/Linux user also.I'd anytime admit that M$ are better in designing UI that makes it easier for new computer users too
infact they are mostly into user friendliness.under the hood,it is woods!

hey mate r u trying to dodge the question i just posted to you in my earlier post ?