Tsunami hits north-eastern Japan after massive quake

[DigitalDude]

Why? There are plenty of accidents concerning conventional power plants, doesn't mean they have to be given up do they?

I'm surprised at this comment!!!! there is a world of diff bet a conventional power plant and a nuclear one.

ever heard of any coal fallout? ash fallout? lol but I bet you don't want to be any place near(even 1000km) a nuclear fallout


actually the fear is: even if the mighty japanese have a nightmare containing the reactors, then where do people like us stand ??? 60000 ppl demonstrated in Germany for closing all their nuclear power.

I read in some place that present geothermal sources and wind power itself is sufficient for catering to the power requirements of India. the 'inevitability of nuclear power' crap is shoved down into throats of many nations by the 'economic hitmen' style. sadly till there are corrupt govts all over the world there is no way out


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[Liverpool_fan]

I'm surprised at this comment!!!! there is a world of diff bet a conventional power plant and a nuclear one.

ever heard of any coal fallout? ash fallout? lol but I bet you don't want to be any place near(even 1000km) a nuclear fallout


actually the fear is: even if the mighty japanese have a nightmare containing the reactors, then where do people like us stand ??? 60000 ppl demonstrated in Germany for closing all their nuclear power.

I read in some place that present geothermal sources and wind power itself is sufficient for catering to the power requirements of India. the 'inevitability of nuclear power' crap is shoved down into throats of many nations by the 'economic hitmen' style. sadly till there are corrupt govts all over the world there is no way out


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You miss the point. I simply meant you simply don't give up a technology due to certain accident or anything. In fact the technology should be developed to avoid this kind of catastrophe. But these safety parameters should have been looked while building the plant.

Of course if each Nuclear Power plant is bomb waiting to set loose, then you may very well give up the technology as it does not meet the requisite safety standards and shouldn't have been built in the first place.

Sadly Nuclear Power remains one of the source which can keep up with the increasing demands of the human civilization, conventional sources simply cannot be trusted forever.

I wish geothermal/wind sources of energy can meet all the demands, but there's either not enough technological commitments there yet (IMO) and it does not meet the short term demands which people are craving for.

 

[skeletor]

I read in some place that present geothermal sources and wind power itself is sufficient for catering to the power requirements of India. the 'inevitability of nuclear power' crap is shoved down into throats of many nations by the 'economic hitmen' style. sadly till there are corrupt govts all over the world there is no way out

some place? which place?

Secondly, do you know how much pollution does coal-powered power plants cause? What if coal gets finished?

Wind and solar energy are the cleanest. What about the cost? Harnessing of geothermal energy also contributes to global warming.

Point is, nuclear energy has hazards, but that doesn't mean we should give it up.

 

[ithehappy]

Speculation about what would happen if a Tsunami hit India is unnecessary. It would be better if people stick to the topic.

It's not speculation, it's a fact. Speculation is those which are probable but fact is those which is possible, hope you know it better than me . and if you state a fact before it happens then the most effective steps could be taken. I hope nobody has forgotten the 2004 incident where 2 lac people got killed which should have been MUCH LESSER if a necessary step was taken that time, I feel really poor for Japanese people but at the same time I think it's better to think about our own country as well and especially when Tsunami is very much a normal trouble for India.
Regards.

 

[Dangerous Dave]

Peace~~

 

[Vyom]

Japan Tsunami, first person video... most terrifying I have even seen!

Gizmodo, the Gadget Guide

This is first-person view is the most terrifying and unbelievable video I've seen of the Japan tsunami. Initially everything seems ok, just a mild wave coming towards the camera. But keep watching. The sea literally goes Godzilla on the city.

By the end of it, the raging water is taking entire buildings with it.

 

[pauldmps]

Bad news still incoming. There was another explosion at the same spot today morning.

Explosion at Japan nuclear plant | World news | guardian.co.uk

 

[doomgiver]

using thermal energy is not the future.

yes it is not, but its going to be a major source for the next 50 years at least

I read in some place that present geothermal sources and wind power itself is sufficient for catering to the power requirements of India. the 'inevitability of nuclear power' crap is shoved down into throats of many nations by the 'economic hitmen' style. sadly till there are corrupt govts all over the world there is no way out

some place? which place?

only in very specific parts of the world, like iceland and netherlands.
you are correct. the energy "mafia" (read, big power companys who own/produce energy or energy sources) is only concerned about making money. they dont give a fcuk about what happens after.

Of course if each Nuclear Power plant is bomb waiting to set loose, then you may very well give up the technology as it does not meet the requisite safety standards and shouldn't have been built in the first place.

Sadly Nuclear Power remains one of the source which can keep up with the increasing demands of the human civilization, conventional sources simply cannot be trusted forever.

I wish geothermal/wind sources of energy can meet all the demands, but there's either not enough technological commitments there yet (IMO) and it does not meet the short term demands which people are craving for.

correct on all 3 points. look at pakistan, their make their nuclear power plants into nukes in time of war. talk about innovation

 

[asingh]

Apparently they are cooling it using sea water supplies. Their pumps have failed and the cores are getting hot..hotter. If there is serious radioactive leakage the area will be non accessible for years to come with these isotopes having such half-lives.

 

[DigitalDude]

[...]Sadly Nuclear Power remains one of the source which can keep up with the increasing demands of the human civilization, conventional sources simply cannot be trusted forever.

I wish geothermal/wind sources of energy can meet all the demands, but there's either not enough technological commitments there yet (IMO) and it does not meet the short term demands which people are craving for.

my point is that, this kind of thought is a manufactured one. the lack of techological commitments is mainly because of the companies that are promoting nuclear power as the only way by thoroughly whitewashing its hazards.

some place? which place?

Secondly, do you know how much pollution does coal-powered power plants cause? What if coal gets finished?

Wind and solar energy are the cleanest. What about the cost? Harnessing of geothermal energy also contributes to global warming.

Point is, nuclear energy has hazards, but that doesn't mean we should give it up.

read that in this website Geothermal Energy in India | Its Cost, opportunities, production and Government policies - Energy Alternatives India - EAI.in

the problem is there are plenty of coal reserves and there is not much momentum to avoid this easy way.

and the idea of global warming by human activity is receiving less and less support every passing day. btw nuclear power is a big contributor to GW than wind or geo-thermal energy.

my point is Nuclear fission has very long term hazards and very catastrophic in nature and it should not be use in wide scale like now.


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[skeletor]

and the idea of global warming by human activity is receiving less and less support every passing day. btw nuclear power is a big contributor to GW than wind or geo-thermal energy.

Wind energy is completely clean. No point about it contributing to global warming. As far as Nuclear energy is concerned, it doesn't produce gases like CO2, SO2 and NO2. Does it? It has other hazards like disposing of nuclear waste etc.

 

[doomgiver]

and the idea of global warming by human activity is receiving less and less support every passing day. btw nuclear power is a big contributor to GW than wind or geo-thermal energy.

wow, just wow.
the ozone layer is being destroyed.
more and more gasses like CO2, CH4, chlorofluorocarbons, furans, aromatic stuff is being released into the atmosphere.
trees are being cut.
waste is being dumped using unsafe methods.
WE ARE SH!TTING ON OUR PLANET.

its good to deny it all, and say that we are not causing global warming, its like saying that the ball broke the glass when it was you who threw the ball.

and nuclear power DOES NOT have to do anything with global warming. where did you get that awesome idea from?

 

[gopi_vbboy]

this is wat happens if we play with nature

hope they will recover

 

[doomgiver]

this is wat happens if we play with nature

hope they will recover

wont, even if we stop or replace most of the pollution causes within a decade, we would still do irreparable damage to the environment. around 100+ species go extinct everyday. how will you replace/recover them?

and it doesnt look like we are going to stop anytime to soon.

i say, mankind is [screwed,busted,damned,finished,game-over,fried,hastalavista,terminated,poolisclosed]. by his own greed, no less.
=zipped=

 

[asingh]

wont, even if we stop or replace most of the pollution causes within a decade, we would still do irreparable damage to the environment. around 100+ species go extinct everyday. how will you replace/recover them?

and it doesnt look like we are going to stop anytime to soon.

i say, mankind is fcuked. by his own greed, no less.

We respect your views and sentiments. Please can you be discrete with the word.

Thanks.

 

[Liverpool_fan]

this is wat happens if we play with nature

hope they will recover

May I know what has mankind exploiting with nature has to do with an Earthquake and Tsunami?

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my point is that, this kind of thought is a manufactured one. the lack of techological commitments is mainly because of the companies that are promoting nuclear power as the only way by thoroughly whitewashing its hazards.

People sadly look for short term solutions and shortcuts. Companies/Nations are only look for profits. Nuclear Power is here to stay.

btw nuclear power is a big contributor to GW than wind or geo-thermal energy.

How? Sure it contributes to creation of hazardous radioactive chemicals which if not controlled are far worse off than wastes of thermal plants etc, but it does not contribute to global warming any more than wind or geothermal or does it? Please explain in that case

my point is Nuclear fission has very long term hazards and very catastrophic in nature and it should not be use in wide scale like now.
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Agreed that it is hazardous but sadly we can't close the nuclear plants all of a sudden. Wind and Geothermal energy at this point just can't keep up with the insane demands, and Nuclear power gives a short cut to produce a lot of energy which no other solution satisfies.

 

[doomgiver]

he was responding to my post about dodging the blame for causing environmental damage

 

[DigitalDude]

Wind energy is completely clean. No point about it contributing to global warming. As far as Nuclear energy is concerned, it doesn't produce gases like CO2, SO2 and NO2. Does it? It has other hazards like disposing of nuclear waste etc.

Nuclear plants need lot of specialised construction and commissioning compared to a coal powered plant and in most cases an entire township to support them as they have to be well far off from civilisation.

then the major contributor is the cooling water which a NPP requires in enormous quantity that is why they are mostly situated near fresh/sea water bodies. disposing of nuclear waste is a prime headache. infact 'dispose' is a convenient term... 'just throw away the waste to third world countries and let us not worry about it' is the present attitude. some day or the other the entire mankind has to answer for this rapidly piling up radioactive waste.

wind energy also has its own ecological problems like impacting wind patterns locally and being the no 1 source for death of flying birds seriously.

and for the giggles

*m.blog.hu/an/anyulontul/image/photo/napenergia.jpg

wow, just wow.
the ozone layer is being destroyed.
more and more gasses like CO2, CH4, chlorofluorocarbons, furans, aromatic stuff is being released into the atmosphere.
trees are being cut.
waste is being dumped using unsafe methods.
WE ARE SH!TTING ON OUR PLANET.

its good to deny it all, and say that we are not causing global warming, its like saying that the ball broke the glass when it was you who threw the ball.

and nuclear power DOES NOT have to do anything with global warming. where did you get that awesome idea from?

haha!! you are living upto your name buddy.

first there is a difference between 'Environmental Pollution' and 'Global Warming'. I'm not even talking about environmental pollution.

as far as I have read, the Sun and natural processes on earth have far far impact on the circulating carbon (CO2 also included) in our ecosphere. the heat increase by the greenhouse gases produced by human activities pale in comparison with these natural processes.

*www.iceagenow.com/Global_Warming_Comic_Moscow.jpg

the whole global warming industry is worth billions and is a major plan to stent the growth of third world countries just like the myth of 'overpopulation'. this is made evident by the recent 'cap n trade' 'carbon credits' policies.

the following articles are nice reads:
Another nail in climate change coffin – Pacific islands growing not shrinking « Quick Take – As It Happens (also read the related ones)
Population Problem – Western Paranoia & Eastern Gullibility! « 2ndlook – View From A Square Prism

the free documentary 'HOME' is also a clear perspective on 'environmental pollution and degradation'.

for added satisfaction watch Al Gore's congressional testimony regarding 'cap n trade' policy I guess (i can't find it on youtube now, as soon as I find I will add it)



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[Zangetsu]

Japan got unlucky coz of the epi center of earthquake...

 

[doomgiver]

Agreed that it is hazardous but sadly we can't close the nuclear plants all of a sudden. Wind and Geothermal energy at this point just can't keep up with the insane demands, and Nuclear power gives a short cut to produce a lot of energy which no other solution satisfies.

a dozen large "safe" nuclear plants have more output than the total geothermal+wind+tidal production of asia, maybe the world, if you stretch it a bit.

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wind energy also has its own ecological problems like impacting wind patterns locally and being the no 1 source for death of flying birds seriously.

didnt know that.

first there is a difference between 'Environmental Pollution' and 'Global Warming'. I'm not even talking about environmental pollution.

yes, but they are related, coz environmental pollution causes global warming(by releasing methane, co2, and other stuff, forgot name, lol)

as far as I have read, the Sun and natural processes on earth have far far impact on the circulating carbon (CO2 also included) in our ecosphere. the heat increase by the greenhouse gases produced by human activities pale in comparison with these natural processes.

those are compleletely natural processes, and have been going on for a LOOOONG time, AND nature has a way of fixing those pollutants, so, logically, they must have reached an equilibrium by now. enter humans (cue star wars imperial march). we introduce several hundred billion tons of greenhouse gasses in a short span of a few hundred years. the equilibrium is dead. long live the cfc's!!!

the whole global warming industry is worth billions and is a major plan to stent the growth of third world countries just like the myth of 'overpopulation'. this is made evident by the recent 'cap n trade' 'carbon credits' policies.

i dont know about the global warming industry, what is it?
and it IS wrong to introduce caps and stuff on developing nation while it is the fat pigs in the developed nations hogging over 90% world's resources either directly or indirectly.

well, im not going to preach like a padre and try to convert you like a zealot, but i think you should know what we are doing to our planet.
sometimes i think, just go to hell with the environment and stuff and enjoy life as long as it lasts, coz there's no way we are going to see the next century.