Time 100 list - How within hours Modi's stat did a swing and Kejriwal quotient decreased

Piyush

Lanaya
Well there is a show named ABP news and a program which invites top political figures , makes it possible to ask audience to have a face to face questionnaire with them. Many biggies including Kejriwal and NaMo were invited too. And you know what was special during Modi time? Unlike all other contestants, Modi didnt want to face audience questions. So he had his interview in a closed studio with highest security possible.

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PS: I have no idea who is in the background of this ABP news and stuff.
 

TheFallenLord

Journeyman
i am judgemental on kejriwal because of the hype.if he were to be another politician i wouldn't care but many seems to present him as the best option which i don't agree with.
And what do you have to say about the hype surrounding Modi? The much-hyped Modi-Wave? ? How do you judge him? Are you against him becoming the PM as well because he is hyped? As far as Kejriwal is concerned, I don't care if he becomes the PM or not. I look at him as the face of the Aam Aadmi Party and the representative of the common man , not their Bhagya Vidhata. This is a battle of ideologies, not Kejriwal vs. Modi vs. Rahul. There may very well be someone in AAP better suited to be the PM than Kejriwal. We just don't know that yet.

anyway let's take a look at the facts:
1.won good no. of seats,had popular support,offered support by both opposing parties,had an amazing chance to run a govt for full 5 years yet gave up in less than 50 days.this is the man supposed to run entire India for years,laughable.
You know, what really is laughable is people believing that the Congress ever intended to unconditionally support AAP. Even Sheila Dikshit said and I quote "We had said that we will give them outside support. The support is not unconditional." And it wasn't. They were against AAP on each and every single issue they took up, be it reduction in electricity prices, providing free water or audit of the electricity suppliers. They also opposed AAP and unsurprisingly so, when they ordered SIT probe on the '84 riots. Did I miss anything? Well then, Weren't these part of AAP's manifesto on which the Congress agreed to provide unconditional support? Or is that what you call an unconditional support? And what did BJP do? The same thing of course even after declaring that they will play the role of a constructive opposition. Were the narebaaji and slogans of Kejriwal murdabaad in the LA constructive in any way? Tabling the janlokpal bill in the LA without center's permission was unconstitutional but the way the BJP opposed it by protesting like barbarians was constructive & constitutional? Laughable. And you call it an amazing chance to govern?
They didn't even want to take support from Cong/BJP but they had to because the people pressurized them. It was BJP's duty to take up the challenge as they had the highest majority but they ran from their responsibility. And do you have any idea what it takes to willingly resign from a position like that when you know that as soon as you give it up you'd lose all the power and authority that you earned through your hard-work all of which will be wasted and you'd again become a nobody? No power-hungry and greedy person would ever do that in their right mind even if he thinks that he has a shot at being PM. It takes a honest and selfless soul to pull out such a move who puts the country before himself and not the other way round.

2.in those 49 days gave relief to defaulting customers while giving a heart burn to those who actually pay bills.same as other parties giving sops to defaulters then crying about budget losses but at least they are shrewd enough to extract financial assistance from centre unlike kejriwal.
Yeah, that was a very bad decision on AAP's part. For that one time, I hated them and really hoped that Kejriwal will come out with a formal apology after realizing how unfair it actually was to law-abiding citizens. BTW did he? I don't know. But since then I've forgiven them. After all they're human beings and human beings make mistakes. Although I really do hope this kind of act won't be repeated in the future or they will lose my support for sure.

3.appoint a law minister who takes law into his own hands,risking India's foreign relations with African countries where China is making huge inroads for strategic gains(something any serious civil services aspirant with just a graduation degree knows),so much for well educated & intellectual people.

4.opposed FDI in multi-brand retail because it hurts small traders when most here would drool at the prospect of buying latest gadgets from amazon international in India or buy that lcd monitor from walmart with no hassle return policy.name is AAP but favours small traders who are definitely not 'aam aadmi'.

5.has no clearly defined foreign policy stand except the statement of "we will try to go along with every body(TV) & won't tolerate terrorism & border incursions".this party is supposed to manage nukes surrounded by 2 hostile nuclear powers,again laughable.what will it do to not tolerate terrorism or border incursions,go to war with pak or china or just issue a statement condemning them?clearly immature when it comes to geopolitics as already shown in point 3 above.
How do you know if Somnath Bharti was guilty? Just as you can't blame Modi for the Gujarat riots as he was given a clean chit by the top courts, similarly you can't blame Bharti as long as he isn't found guilty by the same.
And why are you reading so much into some random comments made by some random AAP members? How can you be so sure that they don't have a clearly defined foreign policy and that they won't be able to handle geopolitical matters? Why are you making so many presumptions? What are BJP's and Cong's stand on these issues? Do enlighten me.

P.S.this is modern world not 19th century british empire or 20th century USSR to talk about "collapsing civilizations".
Believe me, it doesn't matter what century this is, empires and civilizations have risen & fallen in the past and will continue to rise and fall in the future. Everything that has a beginning, has an end as well and it's inevitable. What I'm afraid of is that by putting the country/world in the hands of evildoers, we are just rushing towards the end faster than we're supposed to.
 
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Faun

Faun

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And do you have any idea what it takes to willingly resign from a position like that when you know that as soon as you give it up you'd lose all the power and authority that you earned through your hard-work all of which will be wasted and you'd again become a nobody? No power-hungry and greedy person would ever do that in their right mind even if he thinks that he has a shot at being PM. It takes a honest and selfless soul to pull out such a move who puts the country before himself and not the other way round.

This act is what takes some real conviction to do that.

He has made mistakes due to misjudgments but the intentions so far were not bad. If he brings everything that's in the manifesto into the system then that's the best thing that can change the course of India in a good way.

Modi, to me, inspires a false sense of confidence. He looks more like a product to me after so many ads popping up daily on all the sites I am visiting. Hard to avoid modi wave when one notices blatant advertising in your face 24/7. It gets funnier the more you think about it. Good thing that usually adblocker blocks most of the advertisements. But wont be able to block if he comes into power. I hope he shows who is the boss when in power. Otherwise, will be another let down well groomed product.
 

$hadow

Geek in making
I read in a daily local newspaper that it took 1 jet and 2 helicopters to make the way of NaMo back home safely. Resulting in about fuel of 1 lac for jet and somewhat similar for choppers. Ain't that a big wastage of both fuel and money. What is he afraid of?
 

Piyush

Lanaya
I read in a daily local newspaper that it took 1 jet and 2 helicopters to make the way of NaMo back home safely. Resulting in about fuel of 1 lac for jet and somewhat similar for choppers. Ain't that a big wastage of both fuel and money. What is he afraid of?
Traffic jams may be

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Almost every major leader including Kejriwal uses helicopters....

Not for each and every effing occasion
 

Pasapa

Live to die another day
how else is how supposed to travel so much in so little time , one day he is in kerala then next day in UP.. BJP is so dependent on him that they need him on every effing place..
 
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Faun

Faun

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how else is how supposed to travel so much in so little time , one day he is in kerala then next day in UP.. BJP is so dependent on him that they need him on every effing place..

Plane tickets may be ? Doesn't take more time than helicopters.
 

whitestar_999

Super Moderator
Staff member
[MENTION=276279]TheFallenLord[/MENTION],

And what do you have to say about the hype surrounding Modi? The much-hyped Modi-Wave? ? How do you judge him?
what hype?a govt for 2 consecutive terms in power,under whom the economy went to hell coupled with lots of corruption scandals automatically put the biggest opposition party in good light or did i miss something.that is why you don't see me posting anything concerning modi,& by same logic,congress.

You know, what really is laughable is people believing that the Congress ever intended to unconditionally support AAP. Even Sheila Dikshit said and I quote "We had said that we will give them outside support. The support is not unconditional." And it wasn't. They were against AAP on each and every single issue they took up, be it reduction in electricity prices, providing free water or audit of the electricity suppliers. They also opposed AAP and unsurprisingly so, when they ordered SIT probe on the '84 riots. Did I miss anything? Well then, Weren't these part of AAP's manifesto on which the Congress agreed to provide unconditional support? Or is that what you call an unconditional support? And what did BJP do? The same thing of course even after declaring that they will play the role of a constructive opposition. Were the narebaaji and slogans of Kejriwal murdabaad in the LA constructive in any way? Tabling the janlokpal bill in the LA without center's permission was unconstitutional but the way the BJP opposed it by protesting like barbarians was constructive & constitutional? Laughable. And you call it an amazing chance to govern?
They didn't even want to take support from Cong/BJP but they had to because the people pressurized them. It was BJP's duty to take up the challenge as they had the highest majority but they ran from their responsibility. And do you have any idea what it takes to willingly resign from a position like that when you know that as soon as you give it up you'd lose all the power and authority that you earned through your hard-work all of which will be wasted and you'd again become a nobody? No power-hungry and greedy person would ever do that in their right mind even if he thinks that he has a shot at being PM. It takes a honest and selfless soul to pull out such a move who puts the country before himself and not the other way round.
if late P.V.Narasimha Rao(i am guessing most people here don't even know his status as the 'real man behind 1991 economic reforms his alleged role in the 'money in suitcase' for confidence vote scandal) had the personality of Kejriwal India would probably be right along side Pakistan in economic terms today.If he had half the advantage of kejriwal in delhi assembly election India's economy probably wouldn't be in the mess it is right now.

How do you know if Somnath Bharti was guilty? Just as you can't blame Modi for the Gujarat riots as he was given a clean chit by the top courts, similarly you can't blame Bharti as long as he isn't found guilty by the same.
what matters is not exactly what happened but that law minister of Delhi was with the crowd at the time of this action.do you really think diplomats from African countries would arrange a high level meeting to express their displeasure on the basis of some random news clipping?it is international diplomacy we are talking about not some usual petty conflict.

And why are you reading so much into some random comments made by some random AAP members? How can you be so sure that they don't have a clearly defined foreign policy and that they won't be able to handle geopolitical matters? Why are you making so many presumptions? What are BJP's and Cong's stand on these issues? Do enlighten me.
see above & btw those lines i have taken directly from AAP manifesto & the very fact that you are asking about BJP/congress stand proves that you have no idea so let me enlighten you.did you knew that all this time India has "no first use" policy regarding nukes but this time BJP has proposed to change this policy because of Pakistan developing a new strategy to use small tactical nuke to stop indian army advancement because of its superiority in conventional strength & numbers assuming that since such attack will not be directed against Indian cities so it will not be answered in same terms?what it means is if Pakistan uses a small tactical nuke(few km range) to stop Indian army making advances into pakistani territory after some parliament/bombay attack like incident India will retaliate with full nuclear force even if tactical nuke is of very low yield directed only against indian army.

Believe me, it doesn't matter what century this is, empires and civilizations have risen & fallen in the past and will continue to rise and fall in the future. Everything that has a beginning, has an end as well and it's inevitable. What I'm afraid of is that by putting the country/world in the hands of evildoers, we are just rushing towards the end faster than we're supposed to.
i think you have watched matrix movies too many times.empires & civilizations(& evildoers seriously,what is this,voldemart as minister of magic campaign) are a thing of past & i seriously doubt Americans can elect any prez with IQ lower than 100(a must have if not the only condition for world collapse according to many) when even George W Bush managed to get 120+.
 

Pasapa

Live to die another day
Well, considering many people hate him for various reasons , i don't think it's safe..
 

whitestar_999

Super Moderator
Staff member
[MENTION=20614]Faun[/MENTION],read my previous post where i mentioned P.V.Narsimharao to understand what true conviction means.Kejriwal's actions don't even compare to the man who is directly or indirectly responsible for many of you being able to even post here for this discussion.

*en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._V._Narasimha_Rao
According to a vernacular source, despite holding many lucrative posts he faced many financial troubles. One of his sons was educated with the assistance of his son-in-law. He also faced trouble in paying fees for a daughter of his who was then studying medicine.[71] According to PVRK Prasad, an IAS officer who was Narasimha Rao's media advisor when the latter was Prime Minister, Rao asked his friends to sell away his house at Banajara hills to clear the dues of advocates.[72] Rao was afraid of dying before clearing his dues to the lawyers.
all this because he never gained any personal financial favours & dared to oppose Gandhi family by changing the name of the Congress Party from Congress (Indira) to Bhartiya Rashtriya Congress (Indian National Congress).
 

nomad47

Cyborg Agent
[MENTION=276279]TheFallenLord[/MENTION],

see above & btw those lines i have taken directly from AAP manifesto & the very fact that you are asking about BJP/congress stand proves that you have no idea so let me enlighten you.did you knew that all this time India has "no first use" policy regarding nukes but this time BJP has proposed to change this policy because of Pakistan developing a new strategy to use small tactical nuke to stop indian army advancement because of its superiority in conventional strength & numbers assuming that since such attack will not be directed against Indian cities so it will not be answered in same terms?what it means is if Pakistan uses a small tactical nuke(few km range) to stop Indian army making advances into pakistani territory after some parliament/bombay attack like incident India will retaliate with full nuclear force even if tactical nuke is of very low yield directed only against indian army

India now maintains no first use against a non nuclear country, a significant change after 26/11
And also India has made it pretty clear whatever is the magnitude of nuke attack on Indian assets, the retaliation will be to do devastating damage.
 

whitestar_999

Super Moderator
Staff member
what are you talking about?if & when India officially abandons its no first use policy it will be on front page & on news channels 24/7.read this to increase your knowledge:
*www.indiandefencereview.com/news/revisiting-indias-nuclear-doctrine/
 

nomad47

Cyborg Agent
what are you talking about?if & when India officially abandons its no first use policy it will be on front page & on news channels 24/7.read this to increase your knowledge:
*www.indiandefencereview.com/news/revisiting-indias-nuclear-doctrine/

Man please read the article thoroughly. I quote from it
" India’s draft doctrine at the moment has the following key features:
While committed to the goal of a nuclear weapon free world through global, verifiable and non-discriminatory nuclear disarmament, India, till the realisation of this goal, will possess nuclear weapons.
India will build and maintain a credible minimum deterrent.
India will not use nuclear weapons against non-nuclear weapon states.
India will not be the first to use nuclear weapons. But if it is attacked through nuclear weapons in its territory or on Indian forces anywhere, then its nuclear retaliation to a first strike will be massive and designed to inflict unacceptable damage to the aggressor.
In the event of a major attack against India, or Indian forces anywhere, by biological or chemical weapons, India will also retain the option of retaliating with nuclear weapons"
 

nomad47

Cyborg Agent
*en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/India_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction#India.27s_no-first-use_policy

The speech of Shivshankar Menon created quite a buzz back then. Newspaper, TV channels were abuzz with it. Correct me if am wrong, but that was the shift right?
 
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gopi_vbboy

Cyborg Agent
If i can simplify with historical comparison.

Narendra Modi: Ronald Reagan

Arvind kejriwal: Hugo chavez


Regan transformed US economy and
other Chavez screwed economy of Venezuela with socialism.

IMO Namo >Kujli.
 
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Faun

Faun

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^^removed the quoted lines. Refrain from using bad language.

And don't write anything with rage in mind. Looking back you will not feel good about that.
 
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