The ultimate shootout: Apple Mac OS X vs. Microsoft Windows Vista

[iMav]

why sud a user hav to check out so many folders just to make sure that an app is uninstalled in 2007??

thts the mac way

dont u agree its a flaw in the os??

they are gonna out rightly deny it being a flaw and come with some stupid excuse saying its the mac way or some crap consider this the 9 or 10th flaw iv lost track ... and this was supposed to be the best OS ... i bet u cant find 10 flaws in either porsche or bmw

 

[gxsaurav]

Due to some reasons beyond my control, my nearest apple shop is closed. , I will have to wait for it to open again before starting over.

This is the 3rd time I m installing Mac this week, out of which only this time it is my mistake. C Ya.

iMav, if thats the Mac way then it is quite stupid to remove an app. Windows Installer is much better way.

 

[nepcker]

Since gx_saurav has been complaining about iPhoto not being uninstalled, I tried it myself.

I backed up any images that were stored in the iPhoto folders (these are likely to be in the Pictures folder under the user directory). Then I simply went to the Applications folder and then dragged iPhoto to the trash. Done.

Okay, there will still be other iPhoto files in the Preferences folder under the user Library, but these are not critical to remove. They take up some disk space, but they won't hurt your Mac if they remain there.

 

[gxsaurav]

Yo, read again. I have already uninstalled iPhoto after installing it. Using the same drag & drop to trash method. Now if I reinstall it & start by going to the application folder, double clicking says "Application curropt"

 

[nepcker]

Sorry, I missed that one point. I was thinking you had trouble just uninstalling it.

The problem seems that some files which should not have been deleted, have been deleted.

Please post the exact thing you have done with iPhoto, right from how and where you installed it.

 

[iMav]

“I wish developing a decent OS was as easy as holding mac expos. If so, then apple would have had a great OS.”

 

[gxsaurav]

“I wish developing a decent OS was as easy as holding mac expos. If so, then apple would have had a great OS.”

Flaw 8 ) MacOS X does not have a proper uninstaller frontend.

Here is how Windows Installer 3.1, another superb feature by Microsoft works

1) Developer makes an application & packages all the exe & required libraries using Windows Installer as one .msi file. This also contains installer scripts to install files at specific locations.

2) .msi file is distributed over net or CDs, with one installer .msi file & many libraries & dll or packages (.cab) files.

3) User starts installation, & MSI detects which version of Windows it is, whether all the required files are already there or not such as .net runtime or IE 7 etc. If not then it tells you to download them.

4) Assuming you have all the requirments full filled, which if you are using Windows, are already fullfilled it asks you where you want to install the application.

5) Installation starts & Windows installer backups up all the files it is replacing during the installation. No files are over written. Old files are always backed up.

6) Application is installed fine. If you uninstall there is a unified uninstallation method out there "Add remove programs". If you uninstall something using Windows installer, all the files which were backed up will be replaced where they were sans new DLL files.

Windows installer engine can be integrated using other installer scripts like installshield or WISE or NSIS. Developers can use whatever script engine they want.

Oh & just to make it clear, that DLL Hell days of Windows 98 are over now.

 

[nepcker]

gx_saurav, please post the exact process you have followed, right from how and where you installed iPhoto.

 

[gxsaurav]

gx_saurav, please post the exact process you have followed, right from how and where you installed iPhoto.

I downloaded iPhoto as a sitx file, by a link given by andy. Extracted that sitx using stuffit expander & it gave me iphoto.pkg file. I just double clicked on that pkg file to start the installer of iPhoto. It gave me license agreements, said to click on agree etc etc (& they call MS bad for giving license agreement & next button). Then asked me to enter my password to install the application.

Now who said UAC is bad cos it asks you to click on Ok, everytime you install an application. All the apps I have installed in Mac needed me to enter password. I guess one lie of Macboys cought here that in Mac you can simply drag & drop an application to install it. Those are indeed there but not all apps come in pre-packaged applicationname.app format.

I played with iPhoto for a while but didn't like it, so I took the usual method as said by Apple & Mac users to uninstall an application. I went to application folder & draged the iPhoto icon to trash.

Then after some posts I decided to reinstall it to check whether I have missed something or not in iPhoto. This time i again ran the iphoto.pkg file & same installation routine. However after installing when I went to the application folder to start it, it gave me an erroe "Application curropt". I again uninstalled it using drag & drop to trash & reinstalled it, still the same warning.

Oh well, Weekend is over. Back to studies. This last week of using MacOS X really revealed many truths. MacOS X does looks good in UI, that even I would admit. But compared only to Windows XP. With Vista that novelty of MacOS X is gone.

There are many other silly anonymous too, such as the once I have mentioned here in previous posts, too bad Macboys are not ready to admit those flaws. Countable there are 9, uncounted there are around 15 so far in just 1 week.

Keep in mind that Mac is an OEM Computer & I have been comparing it with Windows Vista on an assembled PC. If I was comparing with Dell or HP, then I wouldn't have talked about iPhoto Vs Windows Photo Gallery, instead I would have talked about iPhoto vs Photoshop Elements which usually comes with OEM PCs. (example)

This is a screenshot for an image editing program called Seashore for Mac. It is based on GIMP & shows exectly how badly implemented the Palated UI of Mac can be. I m working in it & but still showing my desktop.

This is the best free image editing program I have come up with so far. Mac users if there is something better for free & small, then do recomend. Plz don't mention Photoshop, we all know it blows everything out

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[nepcker]

Now who said UAC is bad cos it asks you to click on Ok, everytime you install an application.

If you remember, I have mentioned that some form of a UAC is already there at Mac OS X. The dialog box comes way less often, but it's there.

Now, Vista's UAC isn't bad because it asks for permission to install an app, but because it pops up more often.

All the apps I have installed in Mac needed me to enter password. I guess one lie of Macboys cought here that in Mac you can simply drag & drop an application to install it.

Most apps to be installed, just need drag-n-drop. These are only for some apps that will do some changes to the system.

On Windows XP, any application, be it good or bad, can make changes to your system. On Vista, a UAC message will come up even if the app tries to do even minor change.

On Mac OS X, the box comes only when you're making relatively significant changes to your system. You approve the changes.

Then after some posts I decided to reinstall it to check whether I have missed something or not in iPhoto. This time i again ran the iphoto.pkg file & same installation routine. However after installing when I went to the application folder to start it, it gave me an erroe "Application curropt". I again uninstalled it using drag & drop to trash & reinstalled it, still the same warning.

Since I'm not sure what "curropt" and "erroe" means, it may take some more time before I can help you to get iPhoto running again.

Because you suffer from a very poor English (poor spelling, in this case), it would have been better if you had posted a screenshot of the "Application Corrupt" message.

This last week of using MacOS X really revealed many truths. MacOS X does looks good in UI, that even I would admit. But compared only to Windows XP. With Vista that novelty of MacOS X is gone.

You wouldn't have admitted that, I'm sure.

Things like this happens when Microsoft decides to copy Apple's Aqua user interface. Heck, even the names are similar. Okay, Vista adds in a few enhancements, but it is still a OS X clone.

This is a screenshot for an image editing program called Seashore for Mac. It is based on GIMP & shows exectly how badly implemented the Palated UI of Mac can be. I m working in it & but still showing my desktop.

Now, PC World has an article called "The Right Operating System for You" which points out the pros and cons of XP, Vista, OS X, and Linux. Read it here.

Here's what it reads about OS X's interface: "Interface is uncluttered, efficient, and logical, though some applications break its legendary consistency."

Now some of the "flaws" of OS X you are mentioning are the faults of other applications, not the fault of OS X itself -- like what seems to be the case with Seashore.

And btw, here's what the article says about Vista's UI: "Still confusing to navigate, but in new and different ways. Some Control Panel apps contain useful new settings, but many are unchanged from XP and lurk"

 

[gxsaurav]

On Mac OS X, the box comes only when you're making relatively significant changes to your system. You approve the changes.

Significent changes ? It even came when I tried installing DivX codec, you consider that as a Significent change? It even asked me for my password when i just tried installing an icontainer in candybar. Now you tell me whether this is stupid or not.

Since I'm not sure what "curropt" and "erroe" means, it may take some more time before I can help you to get iPhoto running again.

Because you suffer from a very poor English (poor spelling, in this case), it would have been better if you had posted a screen shot of the "Application Corrupt" message.

You are here to help or what? You asked what happened & what I did, well I posted it here. The drag & drop method to uninstall an application. Or is it frustration that MacOS is flawed in such basic things. When you have nothing to say or can't admit a flaw, you start mocking typos.

Things like this happens when Microsoft decides to copy Apple's Aqua user interface. Heck, even the names are similar. Okay, Vista adds in a few enhancements, but it is still a OS X clone.

& Coka cola makes engine oil, while Nokia makes breads . We can already see in this thread the truth & who is copying.

Now, PC World has an article called "The Right Operating System for You" which points out the pros and cons of XP, Vista, OS X, and Linux. Read it here.

Here's what it reads about OS X's interface: "Interface is uncluttered, efficient, and logical, though some applications break its legendary consistency."

Now some of the "flaws" of OS X you are mentioning are the faults of other applications -- like the case with Seashore.

And btw, here's what the article says about Vista's UI: "Still confusing to navigate, but in new and different ways. Some Control Panel apps contain useful new settings, but many are unchanged from XP and lurk"

Should I point to 10 other such articles on the net praising Windows Vista? Dude talk with what you know, linking to other articles won't help anyone. I am using OS X & truth is revealed how good it is. That article mentioned that dashboard is integrated in Mac, but forgot to mention sidebar of Vista. How thorough it is can be judged by this simple single fact.

Regarding Windows Vista & Mac navigation, well....Windows Explorer Vs Finder will be posted soon in this section. Then everyone can give there verdict themselves.

Here is the thing, why buy a new Apple Mac to switch when you can do everything you want in any way you want on your existing PC running Windows Vista home premium.

 

[aryayush]

Here's what it reads about OS X's interface: "Interface is uncluttered, efficient, and logical, though some applications break its legendary consistency."

Now some of the "flaws" of OS X you are mentioning are the faults of other applications, not the fault of OS X itself -- like what seems to be the case with Seashore.

No, there is no problem with that application. I did not comment on it when gx_saurav said it because he knows as much about good user interface design as I know about chemistry (and I used to score two out of hundred)!

Even Photoshop opens a new windows for each new image over the desktop. You won't find a gray background (that serves as much purpose as the appendix in a human body) that you find on Windows. So, you have access to all the icons on the desktop and the Finder windows behind. You can even directly drag images from web pages into Photoshop without needing to save them. You can switch between your images using Exposé. These are important functions that are lacking in the Windows version because it does not support that sort of a UI ("palated" does not seem to be any word in the English dictionary). I take my Mac with me to Arena Multimedia even though they have Photoshop CS3 Extended there because I cannot work with that gray background and single window concept that restricts me within the boundaries of the application and I have to use 'Ctrl + O' for opening new files. Worst of all, there is no efficient way to switch between the various images you have open in Photoshop. You'll notice that on Windows, people tend to open very few images in Photoshop but on a Mac, you can work with fifty images at once. I do so on a regular basis. Maybe not fifty, but fifteen images are almost always open. I can also minimise individual images. The "palated" UI of Mac OS X is very superior to whatever gx_saurav calls the Windows UI. And that Seashore thing is not an oddball application - it is doing what it is supposed to.

@gx_saurav
Applications that were installed with an installer need to be uninstalled with an installer too. It is a pretty simple concept. Mac OS X does lack a unified uninstaller like Windows though.

Oh, and BTW, changing all your icons and installing a DivX codec for the QuickTime Engine, which you already know is integrated into the core of Mac OS X, come under the category of significant changes. Don't try to make it sound like Mac OS X asks you for the password often. It doesn't. And when it does, you really are doing something that is changing something at the root level.

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[iMav]

well another member of this forum got his fingers burnt while trying the best os on world and relaised and has admitted that it sux and has said that vista is far ahead of it ....

 

[Zeeshan Quireshi]

The real Strength Of Windows lies in the fact that 99% of Softwares support Windows , thus Third Party support is the teump of WIndows .

as WIth OS X , well apple can't make each and every software for Mac , third party is good but nowhere in comparison to Windows XP or Vista(in itme to come)

 

[aryayush]

A little software comparison between Mac OS X and Windows. It is painfully obvious that Mac OS X has much better applications than Windows has.

Cha-Ching - *img178.imageshack.us/img178/2191/libraryzt8.th.png
AceMoney - *img178.imageshack.us/img178/8923/scr02lt7.th.png
The Monkey - *img91.imageshack.us/img91/111/cashregistermw7.th.png


Delicious Library - *img244.imageshack.us/img244/4449/deliciouslibraryyx9.th.png
MovieFinder - *img329.imageshack.us/img329/4418/entrytabnrz5.th.jpg
Book Organizer Deluxe - *img527.imageshack.us/img527/9089/softwaretemplate1wb4.th.jpg


iSale - *img201.imageshack.us/img201/3760/62940238ze0.th.jpg
AuctionTimeWatch - *img170.imageshack.us/img170/8171/mainwindowkz4.th.gif


Coda - *img82.imageshack.us/img82/3945/sitesscreenshot01sb9.th.jpg
WebDwarf - *img329.imageshack.us/img329/9837/sswebdwarfwo1.th.jpg
CoffeeCup HTML Editor - *img201.imageshack.us/img201/2358/screen3zw2.th.gif


Xtorrent - *img176.imageshack.us/img176/1452/39091262cy7.th.png
µTorrent - *img176.imageshack.us/img176/6739/utorrent3cq3.th.png
Azureus - *img176.imageshack.us/img176/165/mytorrentsth8.th.png

(The first application in each group is the Mac app.)
I could go on... Look at NewsFire and Windows RSS feed readers. Every application on the Mac has a better interface than the Windows counterpart.

And since you can legally, and in most cases without even the need for Windows, run Windows applications on Mac OS X (if you need to but you never actually need to), Macs can run every application in the world.

Anyway, why I am I indulging again!

*img300.imageshack.us/img300/381/aryayushuserbarkm0.gif

 

[iMav]

well look at what the mac boys have come to ... they are comparing third party application arya pinch urslef to come out of ur wonderland which makes u even consider a thought tht mac has better third party apps than windows

 

[aryayush]

Have you even looked at two of those screenshots?

*img300.imageshack.us/img300/381/aryayushuserbarkm0.gif

 

[gxsaurav]

No, there is no problem with that application. I did not comment on it when gx_saurav said it because he knows as much about good user interface design as I know about chemistry (and I used to score two out of hundred)!

I got 89 out of 100 in CBSE board Class 12th, chemistry. 3rd highest in the class.

(Maths ka naam mat lo )

Worst of all, there is no efficient way to switch between the various images you have open in Photoshop. You'll notice that on Windows, people tend to open very few images in Photoshop but on a Mac, you can work with fifty images at once. I do so on a regular basis. Maybe not fifty, but fifteen images are almost always open. I can also minimise individual images.

Hmm long have u been working on real time PSD textures made in Genetica then imported to Photoshop & worked on in real time while rendering is going on in background? The day you start working on 15 images together you will realize the sheer benifit of ctrl+Tab in photoshop.

The "palated" UI of Mac OS X is very superior to whatever gx_saurav calls the Windows UI.

& Nokia makes breads while Coca Cola makes engine oil

Applications that were installed with an installer need to be uninstalled with an installer too. It is a pretty simple concept. Mac OS X does lack a unified uninstaller like Windows though.

Yup, a simple thing which has been there since 1998 in Windows. Flaw number 8 of Mac OS X

Oh, and BTW, changing all your icons and installing a DivX codec for the QuickTime Engine, which you already know is integrated into the core of Mac OS X, come under the category of significant changes. Don't try to make it sound like Mac OS X asks you for the password often. It doesn't. And when it does, you really are doing something that is changing something at the root level.

Root lavel Yo, I changed the icons using candybar & still it asked me. Is that what you call root lavel in Mac OS? Wow, atleast UAC doesn't prompts me if i change icons using IconPackager. Asking password is as annoying as UAC.

The real Strength Of Windows lies in the fact that 99% of Softwares support Windows , thus Third Party support is the teump of WIndows .

as WIth OS X , well apple can't make each and every software for Mac , third party is good but nowhere in comparison to Windows XP or Vista(in itme to come)

Right said

@ arya.

Wow, those application look so beautiful & cute....do they make cofee & cake too .

It doesn't matter how good an application looks like (iPhoto or Finder) if it is not good enough for performance & functionality(acdsee or Explorer), it is as good as useless.(iTunes for Windows)

 

[QwertyManiac]

(Maths ka naam mat lo )

English? 1 mark grace? Or didn't take the subject itself?

 

[gxsaurav]

Off topic.....dude.