The ultimate shootout: Apple Mac OS X vs. Microsoft Windows Vista

[Sukhdeep Singh]

Sorry to be offtopic but

^^ Desi-Tek.com, warez forum and you are freely advertising it here

 

[gxsaurav]

This just in, Text edit can save to txt file. Just not be default.

Go to preference of text edit & there select type as plain text. Now while saivng don't give any extension & by default it is txt.

Arya, I told U mac doesn't need any extension to view or open a file. They open it depending on Flag & File content bytes. Open that Application folder in Windows & you will see everything is nothing but a foldername.app

MacOS X despite of having a weird & bad User interface looks very beautiful. But using an OS is not just looks.

i tried a lot but running Winamp with Crossover didn't work. Means if someone is using a Mac, he is forced to use mp3 or MP4 cos no other formats plays.

I am not wrong if I say

Windows is for everything
Linux is for networking, servers, single computer usage.
Mac is for Time pass

 

[Desi-Tek.com]

@gx_saurav new exploit to boot vista out of network by sending single arp packet

 

[gxsaurav]

Well finally I found a way to play my Songs in iTunes. All songs that I have in my computer are also in my mobile phone in m4a format. I just copied back. Won't bother tagging.

Well, I m atill waiting for arya to find me a good image management applicaton & wma player.

The only thing which comes close to ACDSee is "Shoebox" . Wish I could move that folder nevigation structure from top to side.

XNView is another option but failes to run here.

 

[aryayush]

Well, I m atill waiting for arya to find me a good image management applicaton & wma player.

Though I did not tell you that I will find some image management application for you, I can tell you that iPhoto is one of the best image management applications out there and the purpose of using these cataloguing software is that you do not have to mess with file/folders in the Finder anymore. The applications take care of the back-end themselves. You can create albums in iPhoto which are better than folders in the sense that you can store an image under various albums. If you want to manage your photos in folders manually, why use an image management application in the first place! For more advanced image management features, you might want to use Aperture. I must warn you though that Aperture is strictly for professionals and for the simple image management you want to do (actually you don't want to do anything except criticising everything), it would be overkill.

As for an audio player that plays WMA, I'm sorry there is none on the Mac except Windows Media Player. It is not Apple's fault that Microsoft has not released any decoders for WMA 9 and 10 for Mac and that they made a really crap version of WMP for Mac. However, I am not one to look for the reasons behind why something is not there. It is Mac OS X, an operating system that has set a high standard for itself, and iTunes should have support for a popular music format (but one that no Mac user uses).
Anyway, you can play WMA in iTunes but it is a little roundabout process. Open your WMA file in QuickTime and then save it as a reference movie anywhere (the size will hardly be 50KB). Now drag it onto iTunes and it will play just like an MP3 with all the tagging and sorting options. I've tried it and it works like a charm. (Since it is Mac OS X we are talking about, you can change the location of the original file after you've added it to the library and even while it is playing. Just don't delete it; both files are required.) This is a near perfect way of playing your WMA files in iTunes. Hopefully, we'll see a better solution in the future.

BTW, I would advice you to ask someone else to do it for you as this is too technical for a person who had a hard time trying to find out how to save a text file. Congratulations on the splendid achievement of finally figuring it out!

(I am not trying to participate in a flame war here. I just promised him that I would find the application for him and wanted to post the result.)

 

[gxsaurav]

I have said it previously & saying it again. iPhoto stands no chance in front of ACDSee or Windows Photo gallery, as far as Photo Management is concerned. Want me to prove it here?

I m right now using shoebox & it is the best ACDSee clone i could find so far, wish i could move that nevigation pane from top to left side

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The applications take care of the back-end themselves. You can create albums in iPhoto which are better than folders in the sense that you can store an image under various albums

Although we can already do this in ACDSee & WPG, but here is the thing. I like to manage my Photos in folders & they are already in folders. Thats how I like to manage them. Now you are denying a fact that iPhoto doesn't support folder tree based navigation. Now, for some users the album concept may matter, as Mac UI is application centric but for users like me Folder tree based navigation is what matters, do I have an option in Mac, No. What does that means? Mac is incapable of effective image management. You have to do it the Apple way not the way you want.

The applications take care of the back-end themselves. You can create albums in iPhoto which are better than folders in the sense that you can store an image under various albums

Although we can already do this in ACDSee & WPG, but here is the thing. I like to manage my Photos in folders & they are already in folders. Thats how I like to manage them. Now you are denying a fact that iPhoto doesn't support folder tree based navigation. Now, for some users the album concept may matter, as Mac UI is application centric but for users like me Folder tree based navigation is what matters, do I have an option in Mac, No. What does that means? Mac is incapable of effective image management. You have to do it the Apple way not the way you want.'

Here is where I said that Windows & it's application work the way we want it to.

It is Mac OS X, an operating system that has set a high standard for itself, and iTunes should have support for a popular music format (but one that no Mac user uses).

Why do you always forget to mention that iTunes plays no audio format other then mp3 & mp4 . I got 200 songs, i m not going to open all of them & refer to them using quicktime when it doesn't even sees my WMA 10 files.

BTW, I would advice you to ask someone else to do it for you as this is too technical for a person who had a hard time trying to find out how to save a text file. Congratulations on the splendid achievement of finally figuring it out!

(I am not trying to participate in a flame war here. I just promised him that I would find the application for him and wanted to post the result.)

What else can we expect from you & your sig. There is no simple notepad like app in Mac, while Windows notepad works via crossover. Textedit saves as RTF. I needed something simple like notepad. Even Linux had one.

More truth to be reveled, in the mean time here are a few screenshots.

 

[aryayush]

I got 200 songs, i m not going to open all of them & refer to them using quicktime when it doesn't even sees my WMA 10 files.

I don't care what you are going to do and what not. I told you I would run a search for you and I did and informed you how you can play your WMA files in iTunes without encoding them into another format. I have long since stopped expecting you to be grateful to someone for the effort they take for you, so seeing such outrageous posts do not surprise me at all now.

Textpad [sic] is good but saves as RTF.

This just in, Text edit can save to txt file.

Textedit saves as RTF.

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I have done what I promised to do and no amount of stupid baiting will prompt me to post in this thread now. (At least, that's what I hope.)

 

[gxsaurav]

lolz....you are leaving the thread you started hoping to pawn us.

I don't care what you are going to do and what not. I told you I would run a search for you and I did and informed you how you can play your WMA files in iTunes without encoding them into another format. I have long since stopped expecting you to be grateful to someone for the effort they take for you, so seeing such outrageous posts do not surprise me at all now.

Is that frustration that MacOS can't play any of the audio files out there without VLC Player

I have done what I promised to do and no amount of stupid baiting will prompt me to post in this thread now. (At least, that's what I hope.)

(actually you don't want to do anything except criticising everything),

Hmm....is it wrong to critisize on a flaw or lack of feature ? Haven't you been doing it for 6 years when you were using Windows. . I am not trying to prove Windows better then MacOS X, you were trying to do that. I am just pointing out pros & cons in MacOS cos although anyone has access to Windows or Linux, hardly a few have access to MacOS in this forum

So here are few things which I would like to revel next, if I get proper encouragement here

Finder Vs Explorer
iPhoto vs Windows Photo Gallery
Windows Media Player 11 vs iTunes+Quicktime
I can't compare iMovie vs Windows Movie Maker cos I don't have iLife. Just got iPhoto
Address book vs Windows Contacts
Windows Mail vs Mail.app

 

[iMav]

windows mail nice to use
windows photo gallery u have prooved is much better
wmp well do i need to say nething almost every1 on the forum knows
adress book well they both are same nothing great about either of em

 

[nepcker]

Of course, I might make some mistakes sometimes like saying that the iSight camera works with a PC, but I have never lied purposely.

iSight does work with a PC. You just need the drivers for it. (The driver CD that Boot Camp burns for you has got just what you need)

2) There is no folder based nevigation. I have my images put in folders like family, bike, Lucknow, etc but iPhoto has no folder based nevigation. It shows all photo's of year 2006 or 2007 or 2003. Comon, if I have to look for one photo which I know is in the folder "Lucknow" then how will I go there? I don't remember the nomenclature given by my Mobile phone cam.

It's organised by Year>Month number>Day number.
(may be different if you do your month/day thing US-style).

iPhoto's organisation is annoying, but that's the way it does it...

You may want to check *scriptbuilders.net/files/iphotofolderimport1.0.html

You can also help Apple in improving iPhoto by sending you feedback at *www.apple.com/feedback/iphoto.html (Just send them what you've posted about iPhoto here.)

 

[gxsaurav]

Just gave the feedback. Atleast something else Apple should copy....go ACDsee

This is how easy image management in Windows Photo Gallery is

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Use it the way you want it. Keep in folder or tag them or rate them or whatever you want. If it wasen't for the integrated editing, cropping, convertion capability of ACDSee I would have switch to Photo Gallery. My friends use it with Paint.net & the combination is unriveled.

Apparature, the system requirments are insane. Adobe Lightroom is better instead.

Windows Mails lacks stationarys, yes that is a drawback

I just found a way to sync my K750i in OSX86 . Good thing in MacOS X, iSync automatically syncs my phone's contact to Address book compleately. This is better then Windows Mobile centre cos it only works with Windows Mobile phones. Although using Myphoneexplorer in Windows (Free) you can do much more then isync.

Another thing I want to point out.

Uninstalling an application is not as easy as drag & drop in trash

There are 2 type of application packages, 1st are bundles which can be drag & dropped in application folder to install & to trash to uninstall.

There are installer based application, which is same as Windows Vista. They want me to read the whole license aggrement & then enter my password everytime even for apps like in case of DivX, Yahoo Widgets etc & they do not uninstall using the drag & drop method. There is no unified uninstaller in Mac, to uninstall these application you will need either to read the documentation on there website, if there isn't any uninstall.pl pearl script given .

How hard it is to give a unified uninstaller like Add Remove program of Windows or Linux. I had to use Spring cleaner 9 to uninstall iPhoto.

 

[nepcker]

Apparature, the system requirments are insane. Adobe Lightroom is better instead.

It's Aperture -- and it's the best. Now it is not priced insanely high too. As for the sytem requirements, can you give me your specs? Aperture runs fine on my Mac.

Uninstalling an application is not as easy as drag & drop in trash

If you had to double-click on an installer to install a program, try re-running the installer first. In most cases, after you launch it, you’ll see an uninstall option that will automatically remove all the program’s files. Run this. If you don’t see such an option, check the program’s documentation or online help for uninstall instructions.

 

[gxsaurav]

Dude, you got a Mac Pro, obviously it will run fine. I got a X86 PC with Pentium 4 3.06 GHz with HT, 1.5 GB System RAM & Geforce FX 5900XT. Won't dare downloading aperture. Adobe lightroom not only looks better but also runs fine, even iPhoto is slow here. (I do not attribute this slowness to Apple, it not a mac it is a Hackintosh)

You can yourself read the system requirment for it, 1 GB is miminum recomended...lolz.

If you had to double-click on an installer to install a program, try re-running the installer first. In most cases, after you launch it, you’ll see an uninstall option that will automatically remove all the program’s files. Run this. If you don’t see such an option, check the program’s documentation or online help for uninstall instructions.

I did that, no uninstallation option in many apps. Again brings me to the point "There is no proper unified uninstallation mechanism in Mac". (correct me if i m wrong)

Another problem, which I seriously need some help with. I have many multi session DVDs, like Heroes disk containing 12 episodes. Now first 9 were burned in one session then rest 3 in another multisession in Nero using UDF Mode. When inserted in Mac it only shows the first 9 episodes & does not shows the rest, or doesn't show the multisession track

 

[iMav]

see i told u the bluetooth was good and un-installation ya thats another ball game altogether

 

[nepcker]

1 GB is miminum recomended...lolz.

You have 1.5GB RAM. Shouldn't that be enough?

I did that, no uninstallation option in many apps. Again brings me to the point "There is no proper unified uninstallation mechanism in Mac". (correct me if i m wrong)

For most apps, dragging to trash works. And for most of the other apps, re-runnuning the installer works. For other few rare apps, check the program’s documentation or online help for uninstall instructions.

 

[gxsaurav]

nepcker

My RAM is good enough but not my graphics card & CPU, check the system requirments. Anyway, i am happy with shoebox & lightroom . Would have killed for ACDSee for Mac though.

And seriously dude, if in 2007 you want me to read online documentation to uninstall an application then you must be joking. This is a basic necessity in an OS to install & uninstall application. Even if you now don't call this a flaw then I don't know how else to interpret something.

As an example, I just reinstalled iPhoto & during the installation it did not gave me an uninstallation option. I tried using spring cleaner & removed entries using that. Now in application folder iPhoto is curropt & cannot start.

 

[assasin]

For most apps, dragging to trash works. And for most of the other apps, re-runnuning the installer works. For other few rare apps, check the program’s documentation or online help for uninstall instructions.

OMG! wat methods to uninstall apps.
why cant that OS provide a unified uninstaller.at Windows Vista has one.thank god.

 

[nepcker]

Try doing this:
Drag the program’s folder to the Trash.
Look in your user folder | Library | Application Support for any references to the program.
Also check in your user folder | Library | Preferences for the program’s preferences.
If you find something related to the uninstalled program, you can drag it to the Trash.

 

[gxsaurav]

Yup Yup & Yup, Spring cleaner found all these & i moved all to trash, still no go. Want me to post a video of it?

Anyway, i m updating to MacOS X 10.4.9 which might screw the OS so it might not work anymore. C ya if If it works after updating.

 

[assasin]

Try doing this:
Drag the program’s folder to the Trash.
Look in your user folder | Library | Application Support for any references to the program.
Also check in your user folder | Library | Preferences for the program’s preferences.
If you find something related to the uninstalled program, you can drag it to the Trash.

why sud a user hav to check out so many folders just to make sure that an app is uninstalled in 2007??
dont u agree its a flaw in the os??

I wish uninstalling apps in Mac OS X was as easy as in Vista. If so, then Mac OS X would have been a gr8 product.