Controversies Talked on Micheal ??? who is Senna ?
Some one on this forums were talking abt schumi and KIMI.. lot of things were talked abt schumi and lots of greatness was bt senna over schumi... Listen to what I have to say... keeping calm doesnt keep peoples mouth shut.. everyone, who doesnt know anything abt F1 also talks.. crap.. know the sport, know the history and talk....
1. Micheal retired for good. other wise he would have been kicked out of ferrari.
This is absolutely nonsense..bcoz ferrari still pays $6m per annum to schumi for his untitled role at ferrari which media calls
it advisor and he is still an employee of ferrari. No one ever has been paid soo much by any company after annoucing their
retirement.. so you need to understand how important he is as a person (if you think not as driver) to a team like ferrari..
2. a 38 year old mentally retarted person with career ful of controversies would have never bared a driver who would have never
accepted no2 role like massa and barichello
here is something someone said today in the news abt hamilton:
"The missing element in the makeup of Lewis Hamilton could be aggression. That is the revelation of Gerhard Berger and Eddie
Jordan."I saw how Lewis had been spoiled, never had to fight for a drive, how everything was organised for him and I wondered how
he could have a killer-instinct," said Berger.
"A successful driver has to be selfish, like Senna and like Schumacher, and in the car I knew how to be nasty if I had to be.
With Lewis, let's wait and see, but he has shown all the right instincts."
Former team owner Jordan added: "We hope (Lewis) has something steely in there, otherwise he'll be swamped."
source:
www.f1live.com
If you think those 2 experts who said this are also mentally retarded.. then we all - 84000 people in this schumi community can
declare you as mentally retarded.
every driver in formula1 was into controversies.. every single driver... if you wanna talk abt KIMI only.. I would say, for his
ethics, the way he behaves, he doesnot belong to F1 at all.. talking about he shitting in the press before the race ???? is that
some kind of professionalism... Not being with the team untill the race is over and gets out to watch the hockey game..
This is not the first time.. he did this a lot times in 2005 and 2006 too when he was with McLaren... is this you call professionalism??? Now I think people knows what is being mentally retarded ???
3. what abt monaco 2005 & 2006?
what about it ???? there is nothing to discuss abt 2005 and abt 2006 ??? people who do not understand F1 talks abt it.. but let
me explain you... Schumi started back of the grid and finished 5th place with the fastest lap of the race..which means he overtook atleast 15 cars on a track which is impossible to overtake.. Now you tell me, a driver with 15yrs experience in F1 would do something like parking and start frm that end of the grid or take a second position on the grid and win the race ???
Now for why FIA punished him.. it was clearly mentioned that FIA couldnt come to a decision by reading the telemetry data on
schumis ferrari.. the decision was taken by looking at the videos and not with the help of telemetry data..
Now now you talk abt videos.. I can say Seena died in an accident with his driving fault and not the fault of his car??? but can
you believe that ??? dont talk abt monaco 2006???? its CRAP.
And now the other incidents that people talk abt... Barichello gave away his victory to schumi ???? first of all I ask - is that something that shouldnt be done according to rules in F1 ??? is that a team sport or an individual sport... why doesnt everyone talk when in cricket, sachin goes for hitting and the other batsmen just supports him??? now there you call it a team game ???? why in soccer, the ball is always passed to the main player and he makes records of maximum goals...
then also you call it a team game ???? and now if you say.. schumi took away barichellos victory for his championship, then schumi also gave up his victory to his teammate barichello in 2002 United states grandprix and also to eddie Irvin, for the championship in 1999. where did the team orders go then ???? why did people talk of team orders only when schumi was winning ????
and some people talk Senna is greater than schumi ????? Hmmmm I wont accept that.. I would accept that only if it was proved...
my thinking goes this way... Senna has 10yrs of F1 active season and he was 34 years old when he died... I ask a question.. Schumi retired being 38yrs old.. the oldest driver in F1, now I ask - even if senna was given another 4 yrs, would he have won 4 championships to equal 7 ???? would it be something acheivable for a person who won his last championship in 1991 and didnt win any in the next 3 yrs and died in an accident ???
In 162 races, senna won 41 of them... so to win another 41 it would take him another 162 races on a average which equals 324 races, and 82 victories, still very less than schumis record of 250 races, 91 victories... what do people have to say now ????
he said himself many many times "I realised that I was no longer driving the car consciously. I was driving it by a kind of instinct, only I was in a different dimension".. Now he is a driver capable of winning soo many races and break schumis record without concentration ????
now controversies -- look back into the past... A first corner clash with Berger in 1989 Brazil put them both out of the running, something generally regarded as Sennas fault.
and how abt the next race at Imola which saw Senna apparently welsh on a secret agreement that he had made with Prost about finishing order. Prost was so incensed that he refused to attend the press conference and got fined $5000 for failing to do so. An effort at reconciliation by Dennis was futile as Senna would not apologise and the miffed Prost declared that any future cooperation between them would be minimal.
Look back guys... lookk back into the history... People never talk bad about dead people and soo the controversies of Senna are not into the world...
During the Portuguese GP Mansell was given the black flag (for a pit violation) while attempting to regain second place from Senna. Neither driver saw the flag and Senna defended his spot by shutting the door on Mansell. They collided and were both out of the race. A bit sad for Senna in some ways as Mansell was already history. But the Japanese GP topped them all: Senna was disqualified. He had clashed with Prosts McLaren and put it out of its leading position. Senna got back to the pits, had the cars nosecone replaced, and went on to win the race. He was immediately disqualified for bypassing the chicane in returning to the track. Appeals followed, of course, but the ruling stood and to add insult to injury Senna was fined $100,000 for dangerous driving. Appeals and counter-appeals continued!
But once again his season was not without major controversy. Early in the year his motivation was weakened by all the nonsense following the Japanese GP debacle. However, a lively duel with Alesis Tyrrell in the USA race followed by great crowd support in his home Brazilian GP restored his spirits and made him hungry for success again. He would have won the latter race if he had been a bit more careful in passing a backmarker near the end.
Later in the season he again attracted criticism with an ill judged pass of Nanninis Benetton in the Hungarian GP, which could well have deprived Nannini of the win.
But the best (or should that be worst?) was yet to come. Ayrton had hoped to have the championship locked up before the teams left Europe for the final two races in Japan and Australia. But Prosts win in Spain had left him with a chance of taking the title and the two headed for Japan 11 points apart.
During the pre-race Ayrton, who qualified on pole, had asked the organisers to change pole position from the dirty side of the track. The request was declined and at a subsequent drivers' briefing he again became angry and stormed out of the meeting.
Tension was high on the start line and Sennas fears were realised when Prost beat him off the mark. In one of the most talked-about incidents ever in GP racing Senna managed to plough into Prosts Ferrari on the first corner and put both of them out of the race. Many considered the act to have been deliberate as it handed the championship to Senna. After the collision both cars were well off the track so there was no reason to stop the race and restart.
Some people also held the belief that Senna was seeking revenge for a similar clash at the same circuit in 1989. However, opinions from observers and non observers flew in all directions. Nelson Piquet, who started on the third row, was probably the most reliable. He merely said, Senna just drove straight into the back of Prost, and thats all there is to it.
The final GP of the year at Adelaide saw Senna leading for 62 laps before ploughing into a wall while 30 seconds ahead. Ayrton tended to blame his brakes and gearbox, but many felt that it was a repeat of his 1988 Monaco slip in concentration.
Once again he was involved in a rather unsavoury episode or two during the 1993 season. The worst, in my opinion, related to a young Eddie Irvine having his first race at that level. Jordan had started the season with Barrichello and Capelli and when the latter withdrew after two races the veteran Boutsen was signed.
Boutsen in turn threw it in after the Belgian GP when he decide that he and the car did not complement each other. Several other drivers were given a race without much success until Eddie Jordan signed Irvine for the Japanese GP. Irvine delighted all by qualifying seventh and racing strongly. However, at one point he was lapped by winner Senna. The youngster immediately saw a chance to repass the multiple world champion and did so, much to the enjoyment of TV viewers the world over. All good stuff, and although Senna soon repassed him, he did very well by taking sixth place. But the champion was not amused and instead of congratulating him on a good show after the race he strode down to the Jordan pit and clouted the young driver. Once again, action from the FIA was muted, to say the least.
The 1994 season saw Senna get pole in Brazil but spin out of the race while chasing a leading Schumacher. In the Pacific GP at Aida in Japan he again took pole but was involved in a collision on the first lap. The third race of the season was the infamous GP at Imola where he was again on pole but crashed with fatal results. Was it debris on the track, a faulty steering column or an over-enthusiastic Senna? The Italian courts are still trying to find out.
Ayrton Senna: a genius behind the wheel, without a doubt, but was he a flawed genius?
