Should sachin be sacked as like dada???????

[nikku12982]

I will not support this, why sachin is compared with ganguly,they both have equal importance in cricket.Come off it ! compare their stats ! All Indian sportsmen are temperamental;we need guys who produce the goods most of the time. They are being paid for that - perhaps paid more than any other cricket...

The recent fiasco by the Men in Blue against West Indies in the One day series makes one point very clear. You need to have experienced players in the side to cope up the pressure and to adjust to the...

So you are saying if Sachin, Sehwag and Kaif is removed from Indian team you are ok with the exclusion of Ganguly?

Are you giving a fair chance to the mentioned players?

Ganguly got his chances for over 3 years towards the end of his career and he just got from bad to worst with every chance, so stop crying for him...

There is nothing wrong in giving(ganguly) him a chance to play. But the question is what is the guarantee that he will not create unnecessary tension in the team with regard to Dravid & Chapell....

If u see the ganguly got maximum chances after his successive failure in Indian cricket team in comparison to sachin.

Every experts says wait and see sachin to perform.

And believe that today also,nearly 70% of people,watching cricket would love to see sachin scores...

 

[wizrulz]

I am providing sachin's record ....can u provide ganguly's record to prove ur WRONG point
I will give u sachins record
when he played in finals
Sachin- 47 1954 141 46.52 5 11

In Series Won
Sachin- 127 5548 186* 51.37 19 26

Tendulkar made 673 runs in 11 matches in the 2003 World Cup, helping India reach the finals. While Australia retained the trophy that it had won in 1999, Tendulkar was given the Man of the Series award.

TEST record when sachin scored hundred and more
100's in Tests India Won - 12
100's in Test Drawn - 15

Ganguly's contribution --total test hundreds-12
100's in Tests India Won-3

I will make ur work easier ganguly's batting record in TEST as captain
49 2561 37.66 5

SACHIN's record in test
25 2054 51.35 7

Now consider this part of his captaincy -- the period from March 2003, till date: . during this same time frame, his personal batting record is no centuries, 9 --50s, and a batting average of 29.63.
THOUGH Ganguly and Dravid began their careers together in 1996, why is Ganguly still struggling to reach 5000 Test runs when Dravid is nearing 8000?

In 2000 He and Dravid had a similar Test record. He had 2505 runs (7 centuries) to Dravid's 2821 runs (6 centuries). Since then, Dravid has scored another 4875 runs (14 centuries) compared to Ganguly's 2444 runs (4 centuries) in Tests.

Ganguly was good ...read 'WAS'....good in ODI's but a liability in TEST...kept his place in test as he was captain......
ganguly has only cantaincy winning record on his side...in which his share is very little....so by record only that ..u can say he was better captain...but ya forget abt comparing ganguly to GREAT LITTLE MASTER BLASTER SACHIN R TENDULKAR.....no where near him...and cannot be in near future also....
SO rest in peace...
and do read the BIG post by me abt sachins record comapring with dravid and ponting...who r better these days....or supposed to be better.....ganguly is no where dude..so stop carying abt his captaincy...talk by for what he was taken in team....that is batting....hmmmmm bowling...hmmmm allrounder.......hmm i am confused as what to include him in team.

 

[uttoransen]

now you are up to dravid,

no doubt, dravid in one of the best test player ever, and he is also a good one day player now. absolutely agreed with that point.

thanks for all the records, i have already told you, sachin only makes records, that's it.


Tendulkar made 673 runs in 11 matches in the 2003 World Cup, helping India reach the finals. While Australia retained the trophy that it had won in 1999, Tendulkar was given the Man of the Series award.
how much had he made in the world cup final???????? think about it, he dose not scores in finals.


you talking of personal records, when sachin was captain team's records went bad, when saurav was captain his personal records were bad. which is better.


team wins that's important, and for that is sachin is declaired at 194 we are more than happy,

people talk sachin to be gentle man, remember sachin has once done ball tampering and got his punishment, sachin's recation when he was declaired at 194, he said he was surprished, that shows what kind of a person he is when his personal records are conserned.


sachin is giving excuses for not playing matches, if he plays he will not get enough runs, and get out faster, and then he will be out of the team.



you are from mumbai so you support sachin and that's it. outside maharastra no one supports sachin. and if sachin is dropped, hopefully, then only maharastra will be on road, that the only thing that will happen. and i am a fan of dhoni, as am from ranchi, jharkhand. and also a big fan of dravid, but sachin, is running out of fans, and soon he will be running out of the team india.

forecast: saching will either retire, saying of inguries, or he will be dropped.
you thing he is fit, he will play a match and take rest for the entire series, just see for yourself.

 

[wizrulz]

Even if i would had been staying in bangladesh i would had been a great FAN of sachin.....

In Quater Finals

Sachin- 3 210 141 70.00 1 0

Dravid- 2 57 48 28.50 0 0

Ponting- 3 118 46 39.33 0 0



In Semi Finals

Sachin- 7 232 83 33.14 0 2

Dravid- 4 28 58 42.66 0 1

Ponting-5 71 37 14.20 0 0

Finals

Sachin- 47 1954 141 46.52 5 11

Dravid- 30 943 103*37.72 1 5

Ponting- 41 1406 140*40.17 2 6


This is sachins record for u with so called better batsmen in world cricket at the moment.....can u provide for ganguly.....???

U r so much a ignorant fellow dude....do not criticise beacause it is allowed here free.......u provide facts and figures and then talk........ do not ask dumb question as how many he scored WC finals.........as overall record speaks......


ABT captaincy record agreed ganguly's was better ...but was it due to ganguly's batting record for what he was included in team.....HE IS IN TEAM SO U DO NOT FEEL HE SHOULD CONTRIBUTE WITH BAT??.......
Agreed he played well in ODI but not in test......thats for sure..so what was he doing in test team......CAPTIANING?????...excuse me....if he is not doing his primary job properly then captaincy is secondary job......

UR fan of DHONI....i am too...but if tommorrow...he missed stumpings and drops catches and scores 50's ..he will be criticised.......as he is taken in team as WICKET KEEPER...scoring is just added responsibility.....understood....so do not talk abt captaincy......ganguly is dropped for not performing ion field with the bat...........

UR forecast also has no head nor tail---- 'sachin will retire' that everone knows dude...and will retire when he will know he cannot contribute for team.....and will never ever be dropped......my forecast.....
Who cares if he plays or not..if he plays its and advantage for team INDIA...if he doesnt someone else will play in his place.......no matter what no one can take away form GENIOUS status....

 

[uttoransen]

but was it due to ganguly's batting record for what he was included in team.....HE IS IN TEAM SO U DO NOT FEEL HE SHOULD CONTRIBUTE WITH BAT??.......
Agreed he played well in ODI but not in test......thats for sure..so what was he doing in test team


well, do we require to remove sachin or dravid, from the team of test match to take in gainguly. no, and about those 5000 runs at an average over 40 is not so bad that you can say that he should be removed from the tests.

anyways saurav is a better captain and sachin is a better player.

saurav is good in one days, dravid is good in test matches.

anyways, after 10,000 odi runs with 5,000 tests runs with 10+ test centuries and 20+ in odi's i mean after sachin, it's the best. ok perhaps dravid is also better, or equal, so possibly 3rd best indian player. as sunil gavaskar don't have a one day stat, and kapil is a all rounder, 3rd best ever indian batsman, and all time best indian captain, in both one day and tests.

ok, not good fielder, but that's only in the circle, but at the deep, at the border, it's all the same for every one.

over all saurav is a better cricketer. (captain+batsman) and that's what matter.

saurav best captain ever of indian cricket. and this in one thing that "no one can take away form " .
i think we should finish it here.

am a dhoni and saurav fan, and that will never change, and when if you ask a bangaladshi as you have told, you will get the answer.

 

[nikku12982]

i have gone through ur discussions............ and one thing i want to say

i am from chattisgarh,And great fan of sachin.......From my school friends,college friends and company mates mostly are fan of sachin...

Don't say to anybody that somebody is from mumbai,so he is great fan of sachin.

Whole India will come to streets if "Should sachin be sacked as like dada" this phrase come out in media or some other means...

Be prepare of sachin comeback.He will definetly show u what he is capable of.....

No body dare even to put him out of team,so sacking sachin is no way.Be in your dream only........

 

[sysfilez]

i m not into cricket anymore, its full of nasty politics, de squad gets whole lot of money and they dont perform.

 

[rajasekharan]

me too...not in cricket anymore....waist of time

 

[TechGuru#1]

Current Indian Cricket = A BIG JOKE

& Current Indian Cricket Board = A BIGGER JOKE with a BUNCH OF JOKERS!!!!

 

[wizrulz]

anyways saurav is a better captain

I would like to settle this for once for and all

can u answer this...............
sourav had players like sachin, dravid, sehwag, yuvraj, kaif....while he was captain. when u have 1 sachin ur bound to suceed...so was with case when azhar was captain........

When sachin was captain, he was alone in indian team.
can u tell one name who was of the calibre of above players.

Azharuddin was retiring.
mongia & jadeja & azhar were involved in MF.
dravid was as slow as tortoise.
other names ???

sunil joshi, venkatesh prasad, dodda ganesh ?????

Were those international players ???


Also speaking on current status ....any team in this world will readily take SACHIN THE GREAT in its team....can u say this abt GANGULY???

@TechGuru#1,rajasekharan,sysfilez
IF u cannot write anything abt cricket ...y just write abt it here.....to increase ur posts...no offences...but ur posts do not contribute in any ways to this thread...think

 

[uttoransen]

I would like to settle this for once for and all
can u answer this...............
sourav had players like sachin, dravid, sehwag, yuvraj, kaif....while he was captain. when u have 1 sachin ur bound to suceed...so was with case when azhar was captain........
When sachin was captain, he was alone in indian team.
can u tell one name who was of the calibre of above players.
Azharuddin was retiring.
mongia & jadeja & azhar were involved in MF.
dravid was as slow as tortoise.
other names ???

sunil joshi, venkatesh prasad, dodda ganesh ?????

Were those international players ???

absolutely correct, when sachin was the captain there was no good player, whos fault is that?
when saurav got the captainship, the team was zero. there was no performing players, azar and people like those had already taken bribes and sold the country to lose matches. what was the condition of the team then.

then saurav started building a great team. starting with yuvraj, kaif, and then forced dravid to do wicket keep. saurav did not get the players he searched for them. that was the first time when people from the under19 start comming into the team. he made this winning team, thats playing now.

and so is the team performing, there is no way that you can say anything wrong with the captainship of saurav ganguly, it's not only records that he is best at, also he made this team that's playing right now. people like shevag, yuvray, kaif, harbhajan, are the match winners, and also my favorite dhoni, these players were not available when saurav got the captainship.


why did sachin did not make a good team, sachin is a good batsman but not a good captain, and excuses don't help it, you have to agree that sachin is a falure as a captain.

 

[wizrulz]

@utorosen

Has anyone written or said like for GANGULY ??????????????????????????

# In terms of technique and compactness, Tendulkar is the best: Desmond Haynes.
# I have watched a lot of Tendulkar and we have spoken to each other a lot. He has it in him to be among the very best: Sir Garfield Sobers.
# He is 99.5 per cent perfect. I'd pay to see him: Viv Richards.
# I saw him playing on television and was struck by his technique, so I asked my wife to come look at him. Now I never saw myself play, but I feel that this player is playing much the same as I used to play, and she looked at him on Television and said yes, there is a similarity between the two... his compactness, technique, stroke production... it all seemed to gel: Sir Donald Bradman.
# Technically he stands out as the best because of his ability to increase the pace at will: David Boon.
# There is no shame being beaten by such a great player, Sachin is perhaps only next to the Don: Steve Waugh.
# Sachin is cricket's God: Barry Richards.
# Sachin is an attacker. He has much more power than Sunny. He wants to be the one to set the pace. He has to be on top. That's the buzz about him: Jeff Thompson.
# If I've to bowl to Sachin, I'll bowl with my helmet on. He hits the ball so hard: Dennis Lillee.
# You take Don Bradman away and he is next up I reckon: Steve Waugh.
# I'll be going to bed having nightmares of Sachin just running down the wicket and belting me back over the head for six. He was unstoppable. I don't think anyone, apart from Don Bradman, is in the same class as Sachin Tendulkar. He is just an amazing player: Shane Warne.
When it comes to judging the best among these fabulous band of batsmen, my vote goes to Tendulkar. He has an uncanny ability to come out on top under different circumstances and under different conditions, whether it is Test cricket or one-day internationals. And more importantly, he has done this so young: Shane Warne.
Sachin's better; Lara is more risky outside the off stump: Mark Waugh.
# West Indian great Brian Lara said Sachin Tendulkar was a peerless batsman with a lot more to offer. Lara, Test cricket's leading scorer with 11,294 runs, regarded Tendulkar the best batsman he ever watched despite the prolific success of Australian captain Ricky Ponting and South African Jacques Kallis. Lara said: "For me, the best batsman in the world is Sachin Tendulkar. I admire Jacques Kallis' consistency and Ricky Ponting, with the purple patch he's going though. Everybody gets 15 minutes of fame. But if there's one person I've admired over a 15-year period, it's definitely Sachin."
# The fact of the matter is that India still need Sachin in a big way. All this talk of the youngsters taking over is very foolish. The reason why Tendulkar is so important for the team is because of his ability to inspire others and make them perform under pressure - TOI
# Not only did Tendulkar continue playing, but he also emerged as one of the finest batsmen to grace the game and was regarded by the great Don Bradman as his modern reincarnation. Greg Chappell too is impressed with Sachin. The Australian believes the hype and expectations on Sachin is greater than even Bradman faced in his day.
# The Indian coach said: Sachin carries a weight of collective expectation to the crease that few can comprehend. Bradman would not have had the weight of expectation that Sachin has on him every time he went out to bat."
# "Cricketers like Sachin come once in a lifetime and I am privileged he played in my time," said Pakistan legend Wasim Akram.
# Many hold Tendulkar's mastery of the craft high above anyone else in the modern era. Even the great Sir Don Bradman saw Sachin as his closest replica, indirectly branding the batting maestro better than Gavaskar.TOI
#But the finest compliment must be that bookmakers would not fix the odds - or a game - until Tendulkar was out.

 

[TechGuru#1]

^^ ALL these were applicable abt Sachin 10 years ago,but NOT NOW!
& all likewise could be said abt GANGULY too,though NOT same MAYB like Sachin as an Batsmen,But DEFINETELY as Among the BEST INTERNATIONAL CRICKET CAPTAINS & certainly the BEST INDIAN CRICKET CAPTAIN ever yet!(who Single handedly made the Whole TEAM INDIA by Ganguly Magic)!!

But Now Look & Feel the HELL & Heaven of differences of Treatment both these class players of International Cricket r Getting!!!!!!!

Feels Extremely BAD at THAT & Hopelesely BAD for being a HONEST Citizen of such a India,which treats their Heroes as VILLIANS,while every1 speaks abt their SO-CALLED paradigms of equality & Neutral Fair judgement,but fiendishly back-stabbing the outspoken but HONEST Harry!!!!

aur do pankti,jaate jaate,

.....kitna badal gaya insaan
sachin na khel kar/maje ley ke bhi bana raha bhagawan,
phir bhi,dada ko bhaga bhaga ke na khilake bana diya beiman
aur baki is per maje le rahe saab gaande shaitaan!

abhi aasi hi din aaye,
to baki kiya raha bharat me aaur pakistan..

......kitna badal gaya hamara hindustaan!!!!

 

[dreamcatcher]

hey,hav u all forgotten the no of runs dada scored .he is one of the few batsmen to score more than 10000 runs in world cricket.he is also the carrier f some of the greatest records.the highest third wicket partnership,the max no of sixes in a match(tauntan).etc etc.

 

[TechGuru#1]

^^ SORRY MAN !!!
I agree with You 101% .(Nothing more the TRUTH)
Even if i said so,these LAME curent Gen (the SO-INTELLIGENTGen X) Indians,would NOT arrogantly believe so,coz for them GANGULY is Only the WORST SUCKER PLAYER who NEVER KNEW How 2 play from the Very begining!!!

Now,with whom would u reason??? It is quite meaningless 2 point out the TRUTH here,when the Established facts of the day r already skewed,politically lopsided,utterly provincialistic & fully driven with immoral vendetta!

FAIR Cricket is the ONLY Victim here!

 

[pra_2006]

what are u saying man u r comparing Tendulkar to Ganguly thats not right i think tendulkar is more agressive than ganguly and have u ppls seen ganguly how he bats and specially fields, i think ganguly should retire from both formats of International Cricket but tendulkar should play for 4 or 5 years more

 

[TechGuru#1]

what are u saying man u r comparing Tendulkar to Ganguly thats not right i think tendulkar is more agressive than ganguly and have u ppls seen ganguly how he bats and specially fields, i think ganguly should retire from both formats of International Cricket but tendulkar should play for 4 or 5 years more

WELCOME 2 the FIGHT-CLUB!

Even if i said so,these LAME curent Gen (the SO-INTELLIGENTGen X) Indians,would NOT arrogantly believe so,coz for them GANGULY is Only the WORST SUCKER PLAYER who NEVER KNEW How 2 play from the Very begining!!!

^^ Mayb this SURELYapplies 2 U!
but boy when from did u really start watching Cricket! ::Serious::

& do Surely read my do pankti,jaate jaate!! *www.thinkdigit.com/forum/images/icons/icon12.gif

 

[wizrulz]

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Okay...i am watching GREAT SIR MASTER BALSTER SACHIN..since his debut and also Ganguly since his debut........

Here the discussion is abt how both r playing since last few years........

If u have gone thru previous posts (Esp mine) then u can see ur self i haev posted all sachin records for u to see......
And now can u please post in record of ganguly to press ur issue of inclusion of ganguly in india team.....or exclusion of sachin form indian team.....
COme on lets talk on FACTS and FIGURES......

Evryone knows GANguly has hit 10K runs in ODI..but for that he cannot take his place in indian team for granted and cannot be non performer ....just beacause he WAS a captian..any ways he got a longer rope in indian team as he was captian......

Thats for ODI's ...u wil also agree that he was TOTALY non performer in TESTS....... go thru my few previous posts and see comparison of his and dravid...(did not compare with SACHIN..because then that would not be fair for ganguly...) and also both made debut together.....

COMEON WAITING FOR UR REPLY WITH FACTS AND FIGURES......

Else all discussion is useless abt his captiancy etc...............

 

[LegendKiller]

what is all this rubbish??
it is nothing but stupidity of the greatest order to even compare anybody with the greatest batsman of all time ie.sachin

who is ganguly??
he came into the team because of dalmiya,eventhough he wasn't performing well in domestic.
he was made captain because of dalmiya!
dada lost his form way back in 2001-2 in windies,after that mr.dada scored against likes of kenya/zimbabwe.

and all those who credit him of being a great captain,think again!
ganguly has never won a single test as a batsman and his last great odi knock came in soth-africa in 2001.

While he did politcs wid jaggu dada,people dravid/kumble/sehwag/sachin/bhajji won us matches and all that dada do was come and take away trophies..

remember in nagpur in 2004,what did the great dada do seeing a green top???
he ran away claiming to be injured and pushed dravid in the line of fire.

after pakistan tour,india went down from 2nd in odi's to 8th,lost 16 finals,lost to zimbabwe and what not.

And between all that poor dada did nothing.

And than when chappel came,he did a high-voltage drama in zimbabwe,broke team's unity by leaking dressing-room talks in media,than staying back in harare with bhajji and zaheer khan while rest of the team moved forward.

thankfully,pawar won the election,threw the "Deadwood" out.

And than what did bengal do??? they are such patriots that they boo their country in kolkata...burnt effigies in full public view..

even then ganguly kept meeting politicians like arun jaitely/buddhadeb bhattacharya to get into the team...

than even that didn't work!!! so what did dada do??- he back-stabbed his mentor(dalmiya).

what a great personality and leader is ganguly!!! hats-off to him.

And please don't insult greats like sachin/dravid by even speaking their name in same breath with ganguly.

ganguly was a good player till 2002 and after that he should thank dalmiya for the additional 3.5 yrs he played.
__________
and ya i forgot!
i cannot help but laugh at people who say sachin never won us a match or his centuries never won us matches...

now guess what??-the last time i saw a cricket match,i remember seeing 11players playing for each side???? hello anybody there??

and if i know correctly,you need bowlers to take 20 wickets in test to win matches..

and the last time i read a cricket book,it said sachin is a batsman and not a bowler...is it true??

when did india have mcgrath/lee/gillespie/warne/mc.dermott/ambrose/walsh/wasim akram/waqar younis in their side??

ponting/inzi/lara are very very lucky to be playing alongwith some of the greatest bowlers of all time,who could on their day even defend a total of 150.

during sachin's prime we only had kumble who was real match-winner and to some extent srinath,but they also didn't do all that well abroad.

sachin never had support of mark&steve waugh,hayden,gilchrist,langer,martyn in batting till 2001 when dravid really started doing well.

sachin has always was lone warrior abroad and diss-appointingly you have to take 20 wickets also to win matches...which never happened until recently.

i pity people who just for sake of argument and regionalistic biases critcise sachin.

 

[mediator]

Oh..well! I dont say that for Sachin alone, but for the whole cricket team. Any player who doesnt play well constantly for 5-6 games shud be suspended from the team for some time and not sacked. Tha player shud be made to excercise day and night and made to bear all kinds of physical tortures until he gets his spirits back.
But still if he doesnt then definitely he shud be sacked! Look at veeru.....he has become a couch potato. He can hardly run. Sachin yeah he hardly makes runs now. 1 in 15 matches is his ratio of making runs. Thats not the ratio of even some Indian bowlers.

He has played enormously since the age of 16 r 17 whateva.....but now instead facing an embarassing situation such as sacking, he shud resign elegantly!

I dont want to see cricket match once outta 15 in which Sachin makes a century and makes 0 in the rest. Rather I wud prefer seeing all his matches in which he scores an average of atleast 40.

In the reszt of the countries like Australia which show tremendous professionalism, they suspend any player irrespective of his repute if he doesnt play well continously and thats why Ausytralia is the world leader in cricket. But here we are stuck, depending only on Saching, praying to God that he makes some score. We dont want a sole hero in our team, but we want a team consisting of heroes.

Sachin I wud say has become a good bowler now instead of batsman!
Also its the fault of media which popularises the cricketer (who becomes a hero in any match) and continously keeps on doing so until he regresses badly. He is made to come in all sort of ads starting from footwear,tea ads to Gutaka ads.

If cricketers will spend all their time in such activities, partying all around with media following them and glamourising them,offering them more ads.........then what else do u think will happen ?? These guys are getting deteriorated day by day!
They are not thinking about the country now!

Some 6-7 sackings will surely give them a few thousand volts shock and bring the players back to their minds.