Should sachin be sacked as like dada???????

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A phrase comes to my mind :

When the greatest player
Comes to sign against your name,
He does not sees whether you los or won
But how you played the game.....

And if you say winning is everything, then dear blame the famous personality who wrote this phrase.... and you can because all you have to do is open your mouth and speak......

And what do you expect from sachin... 10 dulkar... He tries his best... if the team loses why blame on him..... It is not his problem that india lost... he had done what he could.....

Take the recent pak ODI... he hit a century..... and then india posted 329... our bowler sucked... let the opposition easy runs... and we lost.... And the out come "Sachin scores in vain" ... ya ... my foot....

That century is completely waste and anyone can score centuries on that type of flat wicket.
SO i dont care about it.But as i said he is a good batsman but not a great batsman.If he wants to prove himself to be a great batsman then he must learn to perform under pressure and win matches for India.
Anyway we are not interested in your foolish posts.

See the poll

With Sachin - 14
Against sachin - 13

A player like sachin has got only 50% support .Ok now u just understand the public ok.

 

[Third Eye]

dravid rules

 

[gaurav_indian]

If Sachin plays like Ganguly in the next few series then why not.Rules are same for every player and remember that Ganguly is not a "junior khiladi" he also has good record in ODI's.If Steve Waugh can be dropped and sacked,Matthew Hayden can be dropped after just one bad series then y not Sachin.Players are not bigger than Country and Sports.

 

[the deconstructionist]

Do not compare sachin to others. No comparison between Sun and Torch.

 

[gaurav_indian]

Do not compare sachin to others. No comparison between Sun and Torch.

Remember that torches work when sun is not there.

 

[the deconstructionist]

Compare the luminosity of an ordinary torch and the Sun. Even if sun shines for a day it is a Pleasure.

 

[~Phenom~]

Sachin reign is over.
Its Time to dethrone the king.

 

[royal]

Since Sachin enjoys a God like status in India, everybody is afraid to drop him even though he has not won a match for India single handedly ... in this respect Brian Lara rocks

I am not supporting dada but rules should be same for everyone

Sachin continues to get a chance until he performs

 

[Satissh S]

iam gonna move all those who say 'sachin is over' to /dev/null
you know what?? iam not against dada as i love his play, but sachin is for from over so is dada, its just that sachin has become limited in his strokeplay these days due to injuries, (ex: the pull shot missing).

I saw footages of sachins innings agaginst aussies in sharja was mesmerising and anything short was pulled away or hooked. He almost dictated terms using his pull shots.

Today he defends the balls rising on him, those days he used to hook and pull them, thats primarily the difference of the sachin of old and today.

Thats the only way the opposition seems to get him these days. Sachin will be back. I heard he is playing/practising pull shots these days in the nets also in the lashings games he played a couple of those.

Bad days are over for sachin and he will be back.

 

[go4saket]

I guess he should be for some time atleast... After that give him a chance again and let him prove himself. There are many good playes waiting for their turn and one cannot keep a player who is absolutely out of form just because he is God in Cricket. No doubt he is the best, but at the present stage, he is not good...

 

[ECE0105]

Sachin Plays for himself.... Not for the Team.....

Wen we have people like Dhoni, Rahul, Sehwag, Laxman... Who can play well I really do not see any reason why Sachin Shud not be dropped......

Get over the Hysteria... He's played for more than I can remember.....

 

[vandit]

if we play against ausies drop sachin and take VVS lakshman..........

against others drop lakshman and take sachin....hahahaha

 

[wizrulz]

Sachins so called critics always criticise him for

1=> Selfish
2=> Scoring against weaker oppositions
3=> Failing in pressure situations


NOW REPLY TO ALL THOSE

POINT 1=>

Well Records are meant to be broken and if Sachin is breaking them critics can't digest them..

One of the incidents people mention is regarding his 194 knock against pakistan..some said it was slow knock..agreed it was a slow knock by Sachin's stature,but if it is compared with one of the knock wid Dravid(the wall)...this will not look as bad it seems..

Tendulkar- 194 runs in multan with a strike rate of around 54

Dravid- 217 runs in oval with a strike rate of around 46


This is just one example to tell that Dravid's natural game is to hold the one end and let the others to dominate..in multan Sachin changed his gears and held one end and he let sehwag to dominate..played Rahul's role in that innings. Now this is called team game.. but people call it slow batting and selfish... Sachin always said Team's win is more important than personal landmark..He proved this statement in that very test by taking Moin Khan's wicket off the last ball of the 3rd day..That Ball was beauty!!Wasn't he happy at that moment??? Since Sachin is the most senior player of the team so he can't throw his wicket just to prove critics that he is still a master blaster...[he is still scoring at brisk rate in onedays]..People forget his fast scroing Centuries against world class bowling



169 [201 balls] against South Africa in 1997 at Capetown

92 [120 balls] against West Indies in 1997 at Bridgetown

155 [191 balls] against Australia in 1998 at Chennai

79 [ 85 balls] against Australia in 1998 at Kolkata

100 in 123 balls against NewZealand in 1999 at Wellington[he scored 113 runs in that inning]

155 [183 balls] against South Africa in 2001 in Bloemfontein



There are many other breath taking innings in tests from 10dulkar..can't mention each and every inning here..


But everyone please note this down..Sachin is the Only Batsman in Test Cricket who scored 3 Centuries wid a SIX

179 - 6 off Walsh[I remember it was a hook shot] against WestIndies in 1994 at Nagpur

124 - 6 off Min Patel[off spinner,straight down the ground] against England in 1996 at Birmingham

113 - 6 off Wiseman[off spinner,straight down the ground] against Newzealand in 1999 at Wellington



Some more intresting stats regarding Sachin ...Critics says he plays for his records and centuries..Now just look to this..

One Day

Centuries- 39[out of 39 centuries India Won 28 times and lost 10 times,1 century in a rain affected match]

10 centuries gone in Vain..

Half Centuries- 72



now here is that intresting part out of these 72 centuries Sachin got 28 scores of 80 and above in these 28 scores if we take out the innings in which he was not out [coz of over completed or target chased ] he was 5 times not out in such innings so now lets talk about remaining 23 innings

Can u believe he has 10 scores of 90's??? If these 90's were converted in 100's the stats looks likes this

Centuries-49 just one short of 50 ODI centuries... and look he missed another record for those who have so much fuss about playing for records..

getting out highest numbers of times in 90's in ODI's ..just coz he wanted to score for the team and not for the his personal records he got out 10times in 90's



Test

Centuries- 35[12 in which India won,15 in dead tests,8in lost tests] lone warrior in tests which India lost

Half Centuries- 41



Intresting Part

12 scores of 80+

6 scores of 90's convert them in 100s..he will pass 40 centuries in Test Cricket..sad for critics he played for team and thats why couldn't converted these 90's into 100's

SOURCE:*www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=23803&tid=2475301669741320971

ANSWER TO next ones

2.Scoring Against weaker Oppostions

This can happen in India only..

People remember 152 against Namibia and forgets 98 against Pakistan in WorldCup

People remember 248 against Bangladesh and forgets his 7 centuries against World Champions Australia[4 in their own den]..

Only one century against Bangladesh and share the honour of scoring test century against each test playing nation wid Dravid,Ponting and Garry Kristen...No one talk about other 3 batsman scored centuries against Bangladesh..then why the fuss for Sachin??





Test

Australia - 7 Centuries [4 in Australia],2 of them at the age of 18 in 1992

Bangladesh- 1 Century [Unfortunately his highest score in Test Cricket]

England- 6 Centuries [4 in England],

NewZealand- 3 Centuries [1 in NewZealand]

Pakistan- 2 Centuries [1 in Pakistan]

SouthAfrica- 3 Centuries [all three in South Africa]

Srilanka- 7 Centuries [4 in Srilanka]

WestIndies- 3 Centuries [ 1 in WestIndies]

Zimbabwe- 3 Centuries [ none in Zimbabwe]



90+

96 against Srilanka at Banglore in 1994

92 against West Indies at Bridgetown in 1997

97 against South Africa at Mumbai in 2000

90 against England at Banglore in 2001

92 against England at Nottingham in 2002

94 against Pakistan at Mohali in 2005





Intresting Part

He scored runs in all parts of world..There are three types of wickets u generally found in Cricket..Fast and bouncy Pitches like in Australia,South-Africa,NewZealand,WestIndies,Spin tracks in India,Srilanka,Pakistan,and seeming tracks like in England. Today people talk about Ricky Ponting...now check this out





Sachin's and Ponting's average at their own home soil is above 55 so nothing to discuss this here,but the real part starts now

Sachin's average in Australia 54.15 , 4 centuries

Ponting's average in India,12.28 , no centuries



Sachin's average in England 71.60 , 4 centuries

Ponting's average in England 42.63 , 3 centuries



I am taking records for these countries only bcoz.. rightnow,best fast bowlers are from Australia,best spinners are from India,Best Seamers from england[as there is no choice bcoz only england have such pitches]

Anyone can take easily tell who played gud cricket against best attack on all kind of pitches...





One Day

Australia - 7 Centuries + 1 score of 90's

Bangladesh- 0 Century

England- 1 Centuries + 1 score of 90's

Kenya- 4 Centuries

Namibia- 1 Century

NewZealand 4 Centuries

Pakistan- 5 Centuries + 4 scores of 90's

SouthAfrica- 3 Centuries + 1 score of 90's

Srilanka- 7 Centuries + 3 score of 90's

WestIndies- 2 Centuries

Zimbabwe- 5 Centuries



90+

90 against Australia in 1996 at Mumbai

91 against England in 1997 at Sharjah

95 against Pakistan in 1998 at Dhaka

93 against Pakistan in 2000 at Hobart

93 against SouthAfrica in 2000 at Nagpur

93 against Srilanka in 2000 at Dhaka

98 against Pakistan in 2003 at Centurion

97 against Srilanka in 2003 at Johannesburg

93 against Srilanka in 2005 at Nagpur

95 against Pakistan in 2006 at Lahore







Intresting Part

Only 5 Centuries against minnows like Kenya ,Namibia[non test playing nation]...and Kenya was the semi-finalist of the world cup'03 10 scores of above 90 against only test playing nations...now can anyone tell me how is he selfish?? 34 times he scored more than 80 and couldn't reached 100..If he played for his records..he could easily scored 100's all of those scores above 80's ...


3.Failing in pressure situation

ODI



Won Chasing Target

Sachin- 101 4397 134 58.62 13 23

Dravid- 72 2124 109* 49.39 2 19

Ponting- 77 2670 124* 53.40 4 17



In Quater Finals

Sachin- 3 210 141 70.00 1 0

Dravid- 2 57 48 28.50 0 0

Ponting- 3 118 46 39.33 0 0



In Semi Finals

Sachin- 7 232 83 33.14 0 2

Dravid- 4 28 58 42.66 0 1

Ponting-5 71 37 14.20 0 0



In Finals

Sachin - 36 1487 134 47.96 4 9

Dravid- 23 690 103* 34.50 1 3

Ponting- 33 1217 140* 45.07 2 6



All Finals

Sachin- 47 1954 141 46.52 5 11

Dravid- 30 943 103* 37.72 1 5

Ponting- 41 1406 140* 40.17 2 6



In Series Won

Sachin- 127 5548 186* 51.37 19 26

Dravid- 76 2645 153 42.66 2 22

Ponting- 177 7245 145 47.98 18 45





In Test

100's in Tests India Won - 12

100's in Tests India Lost - 8

100's in Test Drawn - 15



Holds the record of maxium number of 100's for loosing team...That means a lone warrior..Thats why once Indian Cricket Team was called as ONE MAN ARMY!!!!



More Intresting Part!!!!!!!!

Often said Sachin gets fail at crunch situation...Well 1st we must admit that when Sachin on the crease Win is sure...As soon Sachin gets out..the situation becomes crunchy!!! Sachin is out,now who will win match for us?? Dravid ?? or Sehwag?? or Yuvraj?? Or Ganguly?? No one sure who will win match for them...

So bcoz of this thing Teams targets Sachin as the most precious wicket...

Nasser Hussain introduced Negative lines for Sachin Tendulkar to stop the flow of runs when he is on wicket!!!

Local umpires also involved some times to help their team against Sachin Tendulkar,espeically Australians!

Some incidents striking in my mind...I think Sachin is the player who got out maximum numbers of times bcoz of bad or wrong decision by Umpires..I m producing those incidents only which I remember,there may be many other too





1. 92 - out of a NO ball from Frankline Rose against West Indies in 1997 at Bridgetown..Remember India lost the test just by 38 runs..U can just imagine how much that bad decision effected the result of the match!!!



2. 83 - Out of a NO ball again..[don't remember the bowler] last test in WestIndies in 1997.Draw Test.



3. 67- LBW off Crains..last test against NewZealand in 1999, was not out coz the ball pitched outside the legstump.Match Drawn



4. 61 - caught at forward shortleg,bowler Shane Warne.against Australia at Adelaide in 1999.. the ball touched the thigh pads and Umpire Darel Harper gave him out.. India were 107 for 4 when Ganguly joined Sachin and they put on 108 runs for the 5th wicket..



5. 0 - LBW bowler Macgrath..against Australia at Adelaide in 1999,same test, nothing more to say..Everyone remember that FOOLISH decision



6. 52 - LBW bowler Shane Warne,Umpire David Shepherd,against Australia at Melbourne in 1999, were chasing 356 as a target on the fourth day.



7. 45 - LBW bowler Macgrath,UmpireIan Robinson,against Australia at Sydney in 2000, the ball seemed to hit him too high and was going on leg stump, In that very over,Tendulkar had pulled a short one from Macgrath for two,and hooked the next two for boundaries,and a ball later punched the fast bowler back past him for the 3rd four of the over



8. 16 - caught behind off Waqar Younis,against Pakistan at Perth in 2000, it was must win situation for India to qualify in the final , scored 16 runs of 9 balls,hitted 3 fours in one over of Waqar Younis and 1 off Wasim Akram on the fastest pitch of the world,India were chasing 260 odd runs...



9. 0 - LBW bowler Gillespie,Umpire Bucknor,against Australia at Brisbane in 2003 funny thing is that the bowler not applead for the LBW... MR.Bucknor gave the decision of his own



10. 0 - caught behind off Lee,against Australia at Melbourne in 2003,ball touched the thigh pads and umpire given him out.





11. 54 - caught behind,Umpire Bucknor,against Pakistan at Kolkata in 2005, I think we all seen that decison, theball was not near to his pad,gloves,helmet,arm.. no where...



There may be so many other incident like this...Teams like Australia taking help from the umpires to stop Tendulkar... the 1999-2000 tour of Australia proves it..



And the last thing is that Sachin played 11 years [1989-2000] in the era where his own team mates involved in match fixing.. So despite of his brilliant knocks we failed to win the match just bcoz others not contirbuting..Yuo can win ODI's just wid ur own batting but u can't win test matches wid one innings bcoz test played for 5 days its a 4 inning game..Still Tendulkar's record in that era is Awesome.

BY-SACH IS LIFE
*www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=23803&tid=2475301669741320971

 

[QwertyManiac]

Well, as long as he thinks he can manage to score decent amount of runs on a regular basis (~30) its good to let him stay then.

 

[wizrulz]

ALL THOSE SO CALLED SACHIN CRITICS REPLY TO MY ABOVE POST...............
IF U HAVE ANY ATFTER READING IT.....

 

[deepak.krishnan]

Sachin is a really great player and a gentleman cricketer. He is a role model to the budding cricketers. He has a cruicial role to play during the coming world cup and having him in the team is always a setback to the opposite side.

 

[the deconstructionist]

Don't write off the Genius, he has one last brilliance to show. Lets hope it is the World cup. "Form is temporary , Class is permanent."
Bandar jitna bhi budha ho jaye, gulati marna nahin bhoolta.

 

[uttoransen]

dada sacked because icc don't like him, that's it.

dada sacked as he don't have a good relation with the white's, i mean the icc, england, australlia, newzealand, greg chapple. i think you are getting my point.

just what hair did to pakistan shows what these english doggies are up to.

as fas as sachin is conserned, sachin is good, though only runs can save him, otherwise every one can be sacked. saurav ganguly's last 10 innings is better than sachin's so you can imagine very well, that saurav's sacking has nothing to do with the runs. take his last score and think for yourself.
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Remember that torches work when sun is not there.

sachin played from 16 yrs, that time he scored nothing, for the first 79 innings he don't have a century, and for saurav he was dropped after the 1st match and then again in 1996 after 4 yrs he started playing. he scored back to back centuries, so he managed a place.

sachin destroyed the team when he became the captain, the team was 0 when saurav got the captainship, and saurav took the team to winning a lot, even managed to go to the world cup final.

old captains like mohammad azar. took money, and sell the country to defeat, and after all that saurav got the team to win all that matches.

saurav is the best captain, has over 10,000 one day runs, and over 5000 test runs, and is the best captain of india.

if after all this you think sachin is better, than think again.

and if someone can compair the record best india captain saurav ganguly to the new commer captain dravid, than sachin can be compaired with anyone, even with raina, and venu gopal.

remember this is team india, and not the zonal team of mumbai or karnatiaka. every one has a participation on a fair ground, and if that's not done, then this country is not a place worth living.

i hope this makes some good understaing of the game.

saurav is against icc, new zealand, england, australlia, but not against indian ex players, so people don't think he hates all those players who comments on him badly. try to think from different point of views, beleave me it helps.

 

[wizrulz]

Re: dada sacked because icc don't like him, that's it.

dada sacked as he don't have a good relation with the white's, i mean the icc, england, australlia, newzealand, greg chapple. i think you are getting my point.

U SPEAKING WITHOUT ANY HEAD OR TOE....firstly ganguly was sackedbeacause of his bad form which he carried to long....adn he was saved all this while because INDIA was winning.....it came to limelight when india started FAILING......what whites have to do with it??????

sachin played from 16 yrs, that time he scored nothing, for the first 79 innings he don't have a century, and for saurav he was dropped after the 1st match and then again in 1996 after 4 yrs he started playing. he scored back to back centuries, so he managed a place.

Again same thing.....ur mixing ODI and TEST knowledge........what were/are u doing when u were 16??? or what will u be doing at 16??

sachin destroyed the team when he became the captain, the team was 0 when saurav got the captainship, and saurav took the team to winning a lot, even managed to go to the world cup final.

old captains like mohammad azar. took money, and sell the country to defeat, and after all that saurav got the team to win all that matches.

saurav is the best captain, has over 10,000 one day runs, and over 5000 test runs, and is the best captain of india.

SACHIN DESTROYED TEAM WHEN HE WAS CAPTAIN..........JOKE..SHOULD I LAUGH......
When sachin was captain only he performed..know 1 man army..and poeple used to swicth off tvs when he used to get out............

For u kindest info IN WC..for that matter from when sachin has started palying in ODI..SACHIN has only been the batsmen to score highest runs for india..and it was not due GANGULY but ude to sachinthat we reached FINALS.....
GANGULY form when he became captian was riding on his luck.....when lukc was over his dream was also over.....
captaincy brought soem lcuk to him...
Remember AUSTRALIA tour of india when gang was captian ..who played..DRAVID< LAXMAN, and BHAJJI
INDIA TOUR TO ENG..who played..SACHIN, SEHWAG, DRAVID....
NATWEST final....Yuvi and KAIF
WC- SACHIN highest run getter among all teams...
AUSTRALIA tour- LAXMAN, DRAVID, SACHIN , SEHWAG ..all batsman in form
PAKISTAN tour- SEHWAG, DRAVID, SACHIN

GANGULY WAS JUST LUCKY EHOUGH DURING GOOD TIME OF TEAM
WHEN ALL STARTED TO FAIL GANGULY'S FORM WAS NOTICED........

DID GANGULY HAD COURAGE TO RESIGN AND TAKE BLAME FOR INDIA'S DEFEATS AND HIS BAD FORM..NO>>SO HE HAD TO PAY

 

[uttoransen]

here is the answer to all that,

SACHIN DESTROYED TEAM WHEN HE WAS CAPTAIN
yes he destroyed the team, that why you say this, "When sachin was captain only he performed..know 1 man army" why one man army? if he is the captain his team should perform, if destroyed the team, so the team lose matches. he scored centuries and the team lost the matches. his personal records got a hell lot of great, and the team got all the loss. yes, he destroyed the team.


"it was not due GANGULY but ude to sachinthat we reached FINALS....." again you are right, it was sachin, because sachin took india to the finals and then made sure that india don't win the final because if india did, saurav will get a lot of fame and credit. that's why sachin got out in finals in low score.


"GANGULY form when he became captian was riding on his luck.....when lukc was over his dream was also over.....
captaincy brought soem lcuk to him..." right, after the best captain for india's history, where the greats like gavskar and kapil dev, where the indian captain, saurav ganguly's records are better than all the greats, you say riding luck, and then you say "U SPEAKING WITHOUT ANY HEAD OR TOE...." now tell me who is with out the head and toe.


"firstly ganguly was sackedbeacause of his bad form which he carried to long....adn he was saved all this while because INDIA was winning.....it came to limelight when india started FAILING......what whites have to do with it??????" bad form, that was too long, then why was he sacked when the greg was the coach, you don't know these whites, these australlia people, they just want to dominate we indians, and when greg can't dominate saurav ganguly he wrote a 6 page long main, now in one month time how can one write 6 page email, what has he obserbed. he just want to rule, with saurav it was not possible, with dravid it's possible. that all.


"what were/are u doing when u were 16??? or what will u be doing at 16?? "
me? nothing, going to school in 16, that's it. but for your kind information this is team india, and any school going kid is not allowed to go there and ride his luck. and sachin was allowed, and he might be the top run getter, why not, but all those innings with out centuries is something of a big concern. i was doing nothing at 16 and actually no one should, until and unless he is competitive he should not get a chance, sachin should have played 4 yrs in ranji troffy and then should have got a chance, and that will have been fare. sachin got an unfair advantage and that's why he has all those 14 thousand runs and those hell lot of centuries.



NATWEST final....Yuvi and KAIF
yuvraj 69 kaif 75 or 85 right,
saurav ganguly scored 60 of 43 balls. who was better. you people forget everything.

AUSTRALIA tour- LAXMAN, DRAVID, SACHIN , SEHWAG ..all batsman in form
there was a 150 arround score from saurav ganguly as well.


DID GANGULY HAD COURAGE TO RESIGN AND TAKE BLAME FOR INDIA'S DEFEATS AND HIS BAD FORM..NO>>SO HE HAD TO PAY
after 6yrs captainsip the longest every, it's not a one day resign, there must be a proper time to say it's not to step down, and if you think that the proper time would be when you are touring in a game, out side india, and all of a sudden in the middle of a tournament, you are supposed to say it's time to stop down as the coach said, it's a criminal offence. either the time to say goodbye is at the begining of the towr or at the end, not in the middle of a going tournament, in the middle of a test match.


i know you will never say saurav gangulu is a good bats man, let his score 5000 test runs, what's great about it, say 10,000 odi runs, what's special about that, 10+ centuries in tests and 20+ in odi's what's so good about it, right, and about sachin, wheaher the team lose or not, wheather the other players perform or not, sachin is scoring 100's that's most important.

i repeat my words, sachin was the one man army, and he destroyed the team, he lost most matches when he was the captain, non of the players performed when he was the captain, why all this, did no one like him, did sachin took bad players in the team, what's the reason that sachin lost all matches and saurav ganguly won all the matches.

why sachin played all good cricket in all the matches except the final, did he fell to presure of final, if so then he should not be allowed to play in the finals, or he don't what to win the finals as the captain takes all the credit.

saurav ganguly is the best indian captain till now, "Again same thing.....ur mixing ODI and TEST knowledge" right am mixing, as saurav is best indian test and odi captain EVER!!!!.