Please suggest me the best config within my budget

warrior047

In the zone
1. What is the purpose of the computer? (Note: If you are planning to say multimedia, you will have to be more specific as all types of systems are capable of doing that)
A: I would have the hd movies, good gaming and the usual entertainment stuff. In addition I would also like to use it for the SAP practice that am learning and similar softwares that would need huge data space.

2. Are you open to alternate ideas/products giving similar better performance but offering more VFM/ sellers? If not- why?
A: Yes

3. What is your MAX budget?
A: 25k for MOBO, Proc and Card. I am open for any flexible options. Rest of them is around 15-20k.

4. Planning to overclock?
A: No. Honestly am not that good at even understanding it fully.

5. Which OS are you planning to use?
A: XP SP3 and 7

6. How much hard drive space is needed?
A: >1 TB

7. What resolution will the screen run at & whats the size of the screen you want? If you already want have one and want to use it, mention its resolution and size.
A: Am open for anything more than 720p. Min size i want is 20". The pic needs to be sharp though.

8. How would you rate your hardware knowledge from the count of 1-10? (1 being the lowest, 5 being you are somewhat in sync with the current performers and 10 being the highest)
A: 4

9. Have you ever built a desktop before or will this be done by an assembler?
A: This will be done by an assembler

10. When are you planning to buy the system?
A: ASAP

11. Are you one of the types looking out for "future proof" configurations?
A: Future proof might be worth considering but can't afford much in that regard. I need something that stays at peak and does the job for atleast 4 yrs down the line.

12. Are there going to be any components that you don't want to include in this new rig? If yes, do mention.
A: Speakers and DVD Writer can be negligible but have not ruled out completely.

13. Which city do you live in and are you open to buying from shops from other city/states?
A: No. I would need it in HYD

14. Mention any other points if deemed necessary
A: I already have a 2 yr old athlon 6000+ 3 GHZ processor with nvidia 8600 gt card with 500 gb space. I am open to anything within budget. Either intel or amd. The same applies for graphic cards. Ok to spend 10k for a good graphics card. Ok to spend 10k for a good processor if it indeed increases the performance without any lags in videos. All i need is an awesome config that might be best for my budget. Am open for options. But I think amd and radeon are little value for money? Please correct and suggest me friends.
 

shayem

In the zone
Component | Make | Price Processor |Intel Core i5 2500|9700
Motherboard |GA-Z68MA-D2H-B3|9500
RAM |G.Skill Ripjaws F3-10666CL9S-4GBRL|2000
HDD |Seagate 1TB 7200.12|2700
GPU |Sapphire HD6850 1GB|9500
PSU |FSP SAGA II 500|2000
Case |CM Elite 430|2500
Monitor |Dell IN2020M|6500
KB+M |logitech/microsoft|600
| Total |45000

If you can Increase your budget get i7 2600@14.5
 

Sarath

iDota
He is not OCing so he can do with a H67 board right.


Component | Make | Price Processor |Intel Core i5 2500|10000
Motherboard |Intel DH67BL-B3(supports max 1333mhz RAM)|5500
RAM |G.Skill Ripjaws F3-10666CL9S-4GBRL|2200
Graphic Card |MSI GTX560Ti Twin Frozr II/Sapphire HD6870|13500/12000
HDD |Seagate 1TB 7200.12|2700
DVD Writer |LG 22X SATA DVD|900
PSU |FSP Saga II 500W|2000
Case |NZXT GAMMA/CM Elite 430|2500
Monitor |Benq G2220HD|7200
Mouse and Keyboard |microsoft/logi combo|600
Speakers |Logitech Z313|1000
| Total |45700/46200
 

shayem

In the zone
4. Planning to overclock?
A: No. Honestly am not that good at even understanding it fully.

1)In future if he understand how to do it, that mobo can help.
2)
Lucid Virtu technology allows users to dynamically switch between their built-in graphics and their high-end, 3D discrete graphics cards. This is ideal for gamers who require high-resolution gaming and still want to enjoy the built-in media features of 2nd generation processors. Also switchable graphics helps to reduce PC graphics power consumption.
3) VRM technology means power efficiency.
4) Supports Intel Smart Response Technology.
 

Sarath

iDota
Are you sure that it helps gaming resolution too. The games have to be coded that way to take advantage of it right? I dont know much about it. I thought it helped in Video editing and 3D rendering only.

I just ditched the Z68 for a P67 board.

And smart response tech. What is that? SSD caching? Ok, found it, yes it is. Although it is of no use to him. A 20GB SLC is $100. Thats expensive. Future maybe?

Then he needs a k series proc too? If you want to give him that Z68 mobo to OC.
 

shayem

In the zone
Naa...non K series can be OCed too.

Yes Intel SRT is SSD caching. I know you'll say no need for that. But he said
I need something that stays at peak and does the job for atleast 4 yrs down the line.
So in future when SSD price decreases he can attach one.

Check here for Virtue.
 

Sarath

iDota
Looks like it is counter productive for gaming as of now.

AMD Lucid Virtu Performance Impact - 1920 x 1200, 4X AA, High Quality
Civilization V DiRT 2 Metro 2033 World of Warcraft

AMD Radeon HD 6970 39.6 fps 76.4 fps 34.7 fps 111.5 fps
AMD Radeon HD 6970 (Virtu) 36.5 fps 74.4 fps 32.3 fps 102.8 fps

I dont know its upto the OP s own preference now.

Even I thought the same as you until I had to go get a PC for myself. I would wait for a 100+GB VFM SSD as a primary drive first, which doesnt need a Z68. I wouldnt go for a caching drive first which doesnt show as much improvement. Also in case of a space crunch I dont think he will add a smaller SSD drive to supplement a 1TB HDD.

We need to ask him if he will upgrade his system in these 4 years.

Read here about SSD caching benchmarks (tomshardware)
 

shayem

In the zone
Do you know about cache memory and how it works?

In that benchmark it shows better performance with SSD caching. SO??
 
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warrior047

In the zone
Thanks for the response friends. One more basic questions from my side:

1. Is HD 6850 value for money and is more than for me for the next 4 years atleast? Or should i go for 6870? How about the Nvidia 550 Ti card launched recently?
2. Please let me know about the AMD Phenom II X4? Is it enough for value? Or should I go for only i5 2500? Also I see 2500 and 2500k ones. Which one is good?
3. Is the DH67BL best option for me to fulfil my req? I see lot of ones in Intel® Desktop Boards Product List. Please suggest
4. What's the diff between ATX and micro ATX? Which is preferred?

I have some more doubts. Once i have this clarity, shall decide. Thanks for the help friends.
 

shayem

In the zone
1. Is HD 6850 value for money and is more than for me for the next 4 years atleast? Or should i go for 6870? How about the Nvidia 550 Ti card launched recently?

Yes 6850 is value for money but can't say if it's "more than for" you "for the next 4 years". For 6870 answer is same. After 4yrs even GTX590 will be old. ANd if you want an nvidia card then get a GTX460 1GB or wait and get msi GTX560ti Hwak(Don't know if FSP 500 can handle it :Fingerx:). But don't even think about 550ti.

2. Please let me know about the AMD Phenom II X4? Is it enough for value? Or should I go for only i5 2500? Also I see 2500 and 2500k ones. Which one is good?
AFAIK even Phenom II x6 1100T can't compete with i5 2500; forget about x4. AMD procy is not good for gaming IMO. You said you'll not overclock so I suggested i5-2500. It has Intel Virtualization Technology and Trusted Execution Technology. Apart from that both are same without overclocking(3.3-3.7 GHz). But you can OC 2500k to 4GHz+ with P67 & Z68 mobo. You can get i5-2500K too @ 10.5k

3. Is the DH67BL best option for me to fulfil my req? I see lot of ones in Intel® Desktop Boards Product List. Please suggest

Before Z68 wasn't released. According to intel P67 mobo is for K series procy and H67 mobo is for non OC procy. Basically Z68= P67+H67+

4. What's the diff between ATX and micro ATX? Which is preferred?
Check here and here. if you are not satisfied with these Google it.
 
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warrior047

In the zone
Thanks shayem. I have made my mind with i5-2500. But am able to find only 2500k! Anyways please confirm on the DH67CL? Am really confused with the Mobo. I am not planning to overclock. So I would need something optimal that can make the performance as intact as possible for am going for a costly 6850 or 6870 card. Please let me know any other alter configs as well friends so that I can have wide options.
 

d3p

PowerHouse
Slight Modifications from Sarath's Config.

Component | Make | Price Processor |Intel Core i5 2500|10000
Motherboard |Intel DH67VR-B3|4800
RAM |G.Skill Ripjaws X F3-12800CL9D-4GBXL|2600
Graphic Card |Sapphire HD6870|11200
HDD |Seagate 1TB 7200.12|2700
DVD Writer |LG 22X SATA DVD|900
PSU |Corsair VX550|4000
Case |NZXT GAMMA|2000
Monitor |Benq G2220HD|7200
Keyboard |Logitech KB-200|400
Mouse |Logitech 3 Button Scroll|300
| Total |46100

I really doubt whether a FSP saga II 500w can handle HD6870.
 
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warrior047

In the zone
Slight Modifications from Sarath's Config.

Component | Make | Price Processor |Intel Core i5 2500|10000
Motherboard |Intel DH67VR-B3|4800
RAM |G.Skill Ripjaws X F3-12800CL9D-4GBXL|2600
Graphic Card |Sapphire HD6870|11200
HDD |Seagate 1TB 7200.12|2700
DVD Writer |LG 22X SATA DVD|900
PSU |Corsair VX550|4000
Case |NZXT GAMMA|2000
Monitor |Benq G2220HD|7200
Keyboard |Logitech KB-200|400
Mouse |Logitech 3 Button Scroll|300
| Total |46100

I really doubt whether a FSP saga II 500w can handle HD6870.

Thanks for the kind suggestions. Shayem suggested Gigabyte z68 boards. When I checked their site, they have lots of products for each type for L1155 socket. I have decided on the processor and also card (Either 6850/6870/gtx460/gtx 560 ti). I guess we can go for any RAM available by brand of 1333mhz as needed? Gskill is not available here except online. how abt corsair? PLease help in this final steps
 

Cilus

laborare est orare
In H67 motherboards max supported ram speed is 1333 MHz. So no point to get 1600 MHz Gskill or Corsair modules. Get the Corsair 1333 MHz 4 GB single stick value Ram @ 2.1K.
 
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warrior047

In the zone
In H67 motherboards max supported ram speed is 1333 MHz. So no point to get 1600 MHz Gskill or Corsair modules. Get the Corsair 1333 MHz 4 GB single stick value Ram @ 2.1K.

Thanks cilus. U seem to be having phenom II X6. Can it be compared to i7 or i5? Please let me knw
 

Cilus

laborare est orare
Phenom II 1090T and 1100T, at their best, can be compared with i5 2400 in non gaming and multi-threaded environment and still they are actually slightly behind the sandy bridge.
in gaming SB processors are far far better than the Phenom hex cores. There is no point to get those hex cores now as the price will be almost similar to that of Sandy bridge based setup.
 
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warrior047

In the zone
Phenom II 1090T and 1100T, at their best, can be compared with i5 2400 in non gaming and multi-threaded environment and still they are actually slightly behind the sandy bridge.
in gaming SB processors are far far better than the Phenom hex cores. There is no point to get those hex cores now as the price will be almost similar to that of Sandy bridge based setup.


Thanks Cilus. Am going to have the quotes for the below. Please let me know if this is fine.

Processor - intel i5 2500

Motherboard - Intel DH67BL-B3 / Intel DH67VR-B3 OR any Gigabyte Boards?
(There are many Giga byte boards on 1155 socket. Please help me as am really confused. I would just want to have the graphics card work and there should not be any compatibility issues with processor. I would like to save some bucks here and at the same time getting the best & optimal one which suffices the requirements)

Monitor - Benq G2220HD / Dell ST2220M (If I may, Dell-IN2020M / Samsung B2030) ? Any other you suggest for a budget of 7-8k?

Cabinet - Pls help.

PSU - What wattage might be needed? (corsair vx450 / FSP SAGA II 500W / Tagan Stonerock 500W) ?

RAM - Corsair 4GB CMV4GX3M1A133 (I also thought G Skill, what's the diff between G-skill F3-12800CL9S-4GBRL & Gskil F3-12800CL9D-4GBXL? )

Am sorting out the final graphic cards. Will post them now.

In addition to the above, please also suggest in these? Am looking within 12.5k as I guess this suffices more than mid-end gaming. If needed and if its worth, will cut down some more in mobo and go till 14k as well.

Graphics card options: -

SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 6850 1GB

Palit GeForce GTX460 Sonic OR Zotac Geforce GTX 460 1GB Amp Graphics Card?

MSI R6870-2PM2D1GD5 OR MSI R6870 TWIN FROZR OC Graphic Card?

Sapphire Radeon HD6870 1GB Graphic card OR Sapphire Radeon HD 6870 - 1GB ( Vapor Edition )?

MSI N560GTX-Ti Hawk Graphic Card OR ASUS GTX 560 Ti DirectCU II OR MSI N560GTX-TI Twin Frozer II/OC OR Zotac Geforce GTX 560 Ti - Amp 1GB OR ZOTAC GeForce GTX 560 Ti 1GB HDM?

[Am opting for HD6870. Suggestions?]
 
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Cilus

laborare est orare
Get the Intel based mobos. At 5K price range Gigabyte and any other brands come with only 2 Ram slots, severely damaging the future memory upgrade paths.

For cabinet, go for NZXT Gamma or CM Elite 430. Nothing more can be accommodate at your budget and in fact not required also.

VX550 will be the best choice for PSU but the price is 4.5K, not 4K. So get GS600 @ 4K instead. It is also a very good PSU and can supply enough power for any type of future upgrades.

For ram, since you are going for a H67 chipset based board, no need to buy 1600 MHz rams from Gskill or Corsair because H67 only supports 1333 MHz and those modules will be automatically under-clocked to 1333 Mhz.
Get the Corsair 4 GB 1333 MHz single stick value rams. available @ 2.1K.

For graphics card, @ 10K range go for the MSI Cyclone HD 6850 Power Edition, priced @ 9.8K in smcinternational.in, don't go for GTX 460 1 GB as it is less powerful than HD 6850.

But if you can increase your budget by 1.4K, get the HD 6870, which will offer you performance, close to GTX 560 Ti. Get the Saphhire one @ 11.2K+Vat which comes with a custom cooler design and can be overclocked easily to gain more performance.

I think 560 Ti will be out of your budget.
 
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warrior047

In the zone
Thanks friends. But please also clarify me on below ones:

1. what's the diff between G-skill F3-10966CL9S-4GBRL & Gskil F3-10966CL9D-4GBXL?
2. Out of the below, which one do you suggest? Shall I go for DH67BL? Am not sure. Please help as I didn't understand the funda in the specs.

DH67CL
DH67GD
DH67BL
DH67VR

3. Monitor - Benq G2220HD / Dell ST2220M (If I may, Dell-IN2020M / Samsung B2030) ? Any other you suggest for a budget of 7-8k?

4. You suggested me to go for GS600 corsair, is it something like excess wattage leads to any issues? If I go for i5 2500, intel h67 mobo, Sapphire HD6870, will I need a 600 W or can I be happy with Corsair 450W or any other 500W? Please suggest on these options.

Thanks a lot.
 
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