Piracy is the one evil which is considered much worse than our indian ministers! But is it really that bad, I mean you get the softwares and games for pocket prices, you dont burn your pockets! But again it cuts off a huge revenue off the owner of that particular game or software and you are called as shameless. But again do you think that companies like Microsoft, sony, and other industry giants, which have made us slaves of computers, can't protect their cd's from being copied? Why dont they sue the Burning Cd' software giants (and dwarfs) like Nero or Roxio who should have a copyright checker built in themselves to stop this thing. Have you ever thought where the hell does that first crack of the CD comes from, who does it, Why? Is it helping him in any way, is he doing this for fun or revenge? Why does MS or any other software publisher for that matter don't lower that prices to 'affordable' in India where piracy is much bigger than life itself? Why, is the question, and if you have any answers or any other views feel free to post them here. Now its high time we decide, Shall we live with it or destroy it for good...or for the worse!
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freshseasons
King of my own Castle
Re: Pirace, Right or Wrong?
Whew! Lot of questions.Still…
No Piracy is still not considered worse than our ministers.Our Minister effortlessly top the evil list.
Its not necessary that softwares burn a hole in the pocket. Because if there is so much a chance we are always free to shift to freeware and other similar alternatives.No Software is so necessary that it has to burn a hole in the pocket. There will always be free alternative.
And yes you are very right. Software piracy does hurt the companies in a big way.
But Companies like Microsoft, Sony , Apple don’t make us slaves of computers at all. I don’t see anyone putting up gun to ones temple ejaculate command to obey the computers. Rather Computers are our humble servants. Yes sometimes like servants without whom we cannot do with .MS ,Apple ,Sony only made sure than using this servant was a pleasing experience.
Nero or Roxio don’t have copy right checker because it will hinder the process of knowing which actually is legimate backup and which is pirated. And trust me Nero will hate someone make an illegitimate copy of Nero.
The first crack of CD comes from Cracker groups .Most of these groups are banned. Still tracking them is really difficult.Companies don’t encourage them.Rather every new updated version tries to make the last cracked version redundant.
Microsoft did start with low priced software in the form of Windows Starter edition.It wasn’t much successful.Still they tried it .
Piracy is bad! That’s it ….simple word.Like it or not. Even though I do have some of the movies downloaded but the ones that deserve I still watch them in the theaters. The effort should be paid for. I don’t think Movie industry can survive on loss.And I don’t want a world without movies or songs.
Cracks and piracy will always be there.
But Software companies make softwares for people who pay and that particular segment of the population is what that keeps this computer world ticking.
Whew! Lot of questions.Still…
No Piracy is still not considered worse than our ministers.Our Minister effortlessly top the evil list.
Its not necessary that softwares burn a hole in the pocket. Because if there is so much a chance we are always free to shift to freeware and other similar alternatives.No Software is so necessary that it has to burn a hole in the pocket. There will always be free alternative.
And yes you are very right. Software piracy does hurt the companies in a big way.
But Companies like Microsoft, Sony , Apple don’t make us slaves of computers at all. I don’t see anyone putting up gun to ones temple ejaculate command to obey the computers. Rather Computers are our humble servants. Yes sometimes like servants without whom we cannot do with .MS ,Apple ,Sony only made sure than using this servant was a pleasing experience.
Nero or Roxio don’t have copy right checker because it will hinder the process of knowing which actually is legimate backup and which is pirated. And trust me Nero will hate someone make an illegitimate copy of Nero.
The first crack of CD comes from Cracker groups .Most of these groups are banned. Still tracking them is really difficult.Companies don’t encourage them.Rather every new updated version tries to make the last cracked version redundant.
Microsoft did start with low priced software in the form of Windows Starter edition.It wasn’t much successful.Still they tried it .
Piracy is bad! That’s it ….simple word.Like it or not. Even though I do have some of the movies downloaded but the ones that deserve I still watch them in the theaters. The effort should be paid for. I don’t think Movie industry can survive on loss.And I don’t want a world without movies or songs.
Cracks and piracy will always be there.
But Software companies make softwares for people who pay and that particular segment of the population is what that keeps this computer world ticking.
cynosure
UbuntuUser
Re: Pirace, Right or Wrong?
Buying softwares is no big deal given that they offer super cool thingies for their price. I mean just look at Windows. For an average user like me, it DOES NOT provide any good services that cannot be provided by OSS. The services I am talking about are those which are really neccessary for an everyday "non-geeky" user like myself.
I have tried some pirated softs and if I like them, I buy them. I have bought some good games after trying their pirated versions
(Soul Reaver for example). But the kind of service that windows provides is not justifies by its price. For that we will always have OSS.
But yeah, M$ surely provides good hardware at nice price. Like my friend got a supercool webcam for ~2K (around 6~7MP). This is not bad.
Buying softwares is no big deal given that they offer super cool thingies for their price. I mean just look at Windows. For an average user like me, it DOES NOT provide any good services that cannot be provided by OSS. The services I am talking about are those which are really neccessary for an everyday "non-geeky" user like myself.
I have tried some pirated softs and if I like them, I buy them. I have bought some good games after trying their pirated versions
(Soul Reaver for example). But the kind of service that windows provides is not justifies by its price. For that we will always have OSS.But yeah, M$ surely provides good hardware at nice price. Like my friend got a supercool webcam for ~2K (around 6~7MP). This is not bad.
Re: Pirace, Right or Wrong?
Well well wasent that Mr."I hate piracy". This is what I wanted to show you, they don't take steps coz they don't care about this "****". Have you ever heard any company say 'We have lost this much coz of piracy'?Except for those entermainent people who want every cent they can, Well I never have and I will be damned if you ever did.Its people like you,me,all of us, who have created piracy and now don't want to take the neccesary measures to eradicate it. Deep down inside we know, if OSS doesn't work out, the shop round the corner sends pirated disc for Rs 50. Period.
Well well wasent that Mr."I hate piracy". This is what I wanted to show you, they don't take steps coz they don't care about this "****". Have you ever heard any company say 'We have lost this much coz of piracy'?Except for those entermainent people who want every cent they can, Well I never have and I will be damned if you ever did.Its people like you,me,all of us, who have created piracy and now don't want to take the neccesary measures to eradicate it. Deep down inside we know, if OSS doesn't work out, the shop round the corner sends pirated disc for Rs 50. Period.
pc_game_lover2004
~Beating Toughest Games~
Re: Pirace, Right or Wrong?
Piracy is somewhat required for developing countries like India..
I mean we are not able to afford such high prices for eg. in usa game's cost is just $99 which for them is just like our 99 Rs. but for us the same game is for thousands... So piracy is partially right...
If they are cheating us with their dollars we are just paying back the foreigns...
3 cheers to moserbaer , t-series and the other companies who ultimately has realized the need and had fallen the prices to such an extent reachable by Indians...
But that's just old movies if the new one are at such prices who is such an idiot to but the pirated one for Rs.50 if the original although available when the film comes original in market will be much more cheaper than this like Rs. 28, 34, 45 etc...
Piracy is somewhat required for developing countries like India..
I mean we are not able to afford such high prices for eg. in usa game's cost is just $99 which for them is just like our 99 Rs. but for us the same game is for thousands... So piracy is partially right...
If they are cheating us with their dollars we are just paying back the foreigns...
3 cheers to moserbaer , t-series and the other companies who ultimately has realized the need and had fallen the prices to such an extent reachable by Indians...
But that's just old movies if the new one are at such prices who is such an idiot to but the pirated one for Rs.50 if the original although available when the film comes original in market will be much more cheaper than this like Rs. 28, 34, 45 etc...
Piracy may be major upset for the Developer of the software but then major piracy happens to software which is trying to seperate us from our money.
eg. Windows XP. Which itself is made up of mixture of free developer tools on open source project. Only the programming that was required was to connect backend to frontend securely.
Why do I want to pay something which is free and forced on me? I don't want to pay for free application just because it will get Microsoft name attached to it.
eg. Media Player .. Good application but winamp is out there free.
All the codecs don't belong to microsoft, al the plugins were brought from free forums.
Its like Politician, if people feel they are trying to manipulate us, it will backfire on politician.
eg. Windows XP. Which itself is made up of mixture of free developer tools on open source project. Only the programming that was required was to connect backend to frontend securely.
Why do I want to pay something which is free and forced on me? I don't want to pay for free application just because it will get Microsoft name attached to it.
eg. Media Player .. Good application but winamp is out there free.
All the codecs don't belong to microsoft, al the plugins were brought from free forums.
Its like Politician, if people feel they are trying to manipulate us, it will backfire on politician.
gxsaurav
You gave been GXified
Re: Pirace, Right or Wrong?
Tell me something, do you buy or use or download DRM content?
When Windows XP was released in 2001, Linux & Open Source distributions were working hard to get a working Desktop Environment. Have you worked for Microsoft? I would like to see some proof that MS used Open Source projects in the development & the programming was just for connecting the back end to front end.
Plz...Stop spreading FUD & Misconceptions. It is nothing like what u r talking about.
faraaz said:I shifted to Linux because VISTA has DRM built in...what do you think?
Tell me something, do you buy or use or download DRM content?
CodyHulk said:
When Windows XP was released in 2001, Linux & Open Source distributions were working hard to get a working Desktop Environment. Have you worked for Microsoft? I would like to see some proof that MS used Open Source projects in the development & the programming was just for connecting the back end to front end.Plz...Stop spreading FUD & Misconceptions. It is nothing like what u r talking about.
Re: Pirace, Right or Wrong?
I buy DRM Protected songs from iTunes. Its much more simple for me to get a MP3 of any song via Limewire/FrostWire But I dont want to steal the effort put in by the artist.
I happly use both windows and linux without much problem.
faraaz said:I shifted to Linux because VISTA has DRM built in...what do you think?
I buy DRM Protected songs from iTunes. Its much more simple for me to get a MP3 of any song via Limewire/FrostWire But I dont want to steal the effort put in by the artist.
I happly use both windows and linux without much problem.
Re: Pirace, Right or Wrong?
Hit google search.
Same is happening with Windows Vista.
90% of software are copied from Mac os x and other free source.
Search youtube,
Bill Gates himself said that it is true that everything that is bundled with Microsoft isn't created by microsoft and it is freely available outside.
Only reason it is there is because only 10% of compute user worry and update the latest software while windows market its latest tool as ease for other 90% users.
eg.
See Mercury software in 2003/2004.
You will find out where did Windows media center idea come from.
Small list of software available way before Windows tried to apply it as thier own.
1. Paintbrush
2. Office (read about Lotus, Adobe, Wordspread)
3. WIndows tab viewer ( see google labs)
4. Glass theme ( search glass2k)
5. Gadgets (see yahoo/aol widgets)
6. Recycle bin ( read about apple sue Microsoft)
7. Window itself (read how windows 95 was copy from other software out)
8. Windows Media Player new (Sonicstage, Ambience and winamp)
9. Search (Google and google desktop)
10. Windows meeting space (skype)
11. Windows burners ( millions of them out there way before windows introduced it)
list continues foreever
Hit google search.
Same is happening with Windows Vista.
90% of software are copied from Mac os x and other free source.
Search youtube,
Bill Gates himself said that it is true that everything that is bundled with Microsoft isn't created by microsoft and it is freely available outside.
Only reason it is there is because only 10% of compute user worry and update the latest software while windows market its latest tool as ease for other 90% users.
eg.
See Mercury software in 2003/2004.
You will find out where did Windows media center idea come from.
Small list of software available way before Windows tried to apply it as thier own.
1. Paintbrush
2. Office (read about Lotus, Adobe, Wordspread)
3. WIndows tab viewer ( see google labs)
4. Glass theme ( search glass2k)
5. Gadgets (see yahoo/aol widgets)
6. Recycle bin ( read about apple sue Microsoft)
7. Window itself (read how windows 95 was copy from other software out)
8. Windows Media Player new (Sonicstage, Ambience and winamp)
9. Search (Google and google desktop)
10. Windows meeting space (skype)
11. Windows burners ( millions of them out there way before windows introduced it)
list continues foreever
gx_saurav said:
Plz...Stop spreading FUD & Misconceptions. It is nothing like what u r talking about.
gxsaurav
You gave been GXified
Re: Pirace, Right or Wrong?
I am very lazy, plz point me to the proof location.
Since you are new in this forum, I will have mercy on your ignorance.
Again, proof plz
3rd party developers are the real innovators. Is it wrong for MS to integrate a feature in the OS itself?
codyhulk said:
I am very lazy, plz point me to the proof location.
Since you are new in this forum, I will have mercy on your ignorance.
Again, proof plz
3rd party developers are the real innovators. Is it wrong for MS to integrate a feature in the OS itself?
THis is digit Magazine forum.. Read Magazine Books... June issue with Windows Vista.
Bill Gates enlisting Mac Os X features for VIsta
*www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQmOmdYPKJQ
Bill gates talking about Vista isn't a copy
*www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP0_uN42P44
Windows Vista did not steal ideas from Mac OS X! (sarcastic)
*www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaIUkwPybtM
Get the hint!!!
Bill Gates enlisting Mac Os X features for VIsta
*www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQmOmdYPKJQ
Bill gates talking about Vista isn't a copy
*www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP0_uN42P44
Windows Vista did not steal ideas from Mac OS X! (sarcastic)
*www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaIUkwPybtM
Get the hint!!!
esumitkumar
Call me Sumit
piracy rocks man..if there were no torrents how wud we watch such world class dvd rip hollywood fllicks .........
gxsaurav
You gave been GXified
R u sure u r not on Pot, where does Bill Gates say that the features are from OS X?
So if a Photo Viewer shows Photo's as thumbnails, it is copy of Mac OS X? Wow, I guess somebody never used Windows XP thumbnail view or ACDSee classic
That video infact shows how Vista is superior then OS X
2nd video has lip sync problem, I doubt its authenticity
You should get the facts right. Integrating features in an OS is copying
ya right.....then I guess Windows should just give the kernel in a blank DVDBy the way, Piracy rulzz for learning & education, but sux if u r capable of buying the app but still pirate it.
^^ @gx_saurav, Even for learning and education, most of the big software now come with academic editions that make it a bit more affordable, which may not always help though...
If you are inclined towards Linux, this topic becomes more or less meaningless. Even though there are many commercial software in Linux, most people who enter the Linux world usually do it to get away from MS stream where they neither want to pay for the OS nor pirate it, or they believe in the OSS/GPL philosophy...
In Mac, I wont comment, as I have no idea... I believe piracy is happening there also, but I am not aware of what extent it is...
In Windows, the situation is complex... In developping countries, you have to look at the monetary situation... While piracy is wrong, many people are either unaware of the piracy, or feel that there is no alternative to piracy... But, even if they want to stick to Windows (which is now becoming a little more affordable to middle-class Indians due to increased standard of living), there are many free alternatives to many popular software these days (Photoshop, MS Office are awesome, but there are decent free alternatives if you dont need the high-end features that may be missing)... It is necessary to create awareness in people to either buy Windows, and try these alternatives, or to try out Linux and see if it fits their bill... Sometimes, even very costly software like 3D Studio Max has freeware alternative like Blender... However, in specialised fields, penetration of good free alternatives to costly software is limited. And the prices of those software are beyond reach for the people in developping countries...
I feel that the big companies can release country-specific software (for example, saying For Sale and Use in India only), and provide the same software at a lower rate based on relative GDP or something (the poorer a country is, the cheaper the version will be, but the version will be legal for use within that country only)... If they release such versions and provide full features, I feel that they will gain more in the long run by covering many converts from piracy... But of course, I dont have any idea how this will work out in practice since some people in the developped nations may use software purchased in the developping nations at a lower rate illegally... With enough awareness though, I think it will help bridge the gap between developped and developping nations, but I dont know for sure...
Arun
If you are inclined towards Linux, this topic becomes more or less meaningless. Even though there are many commercial software in Linux, most people who enter the Linux world usually do it to get away from MS stream where they neither want to pay for the OS nor pirate it, or they believe in the OSS/GPL philosophy...
In Mac, I wont comment, as I have no idea... I believe piracy is happening there also, but I am not aware of what extent it is...
In Windows, the situation is complex... In developping countries, you have to look at the monetary situation... While piracy is wrong, many people are either unaware of the piracy, or feel that there is no alternative to piracy... But, even if they want to stick to Windows (which is now becoming a little more affordable to middle-class Indians due to increased standard of living), there are many free alternatives to many popular software these days (Photoshop, MS Office are awesome, but there are decent free alternatives if you dont need the high-end features that may be missing)... It is necessary to create awareness in people to either buy Windows, and try these alternatives, or to try out Linux and see if it fits their bill... Sometimes, even very costly software like 3D Studio Max has freeware alternative like Blender... However, in specialised fields, penetration of good free alternatives to costly software is limited. And the prices of those software are beyond reach for the people in developping countries...
I feel that the big companies can release country-specific software (for example, saying For Sale and Use in India only), and provide the same software at a lower rate based on relative GDP or something (the poorer a country is, the cheaper the version will be, but the version will be legal for use within that country only)... If they release such versions and provide full features, I feel that they will gain more in the long run by covering many converts from piracy... But of course, I dont have any idea how this will work out in practice since some people in the developped nations may use software purchased in the developping nations at a lower rate illegally... With enough awareness though, I think it will help bridge the gap between developped and developping nations, but I dont know for sure...
Arun
rakeshishere
HELP AND SUPPORT
@gx_saurav
Looks like u got a new competitor in the forum
ONTOPIC:
Piracy is really helpful for Learning but I personally hate it
Looks like u got a new competitor in the forum
ONTOPIC:
Piracy is really helpful for Learning
but I personally hate it
gxsaurav
You gave been GXified
sakumar79 said:
Ya, tell me about it. The cheapest License for 3Ds Max 9 is worth $400. Real price is $3500 for multiple nodes. I would rather buy new hardware then use $400 on an academic license of 3ds Max.
U r right, the biggest reason for Piracy is price difference. Dollar or Euro 150 for a GeForce 8600GT might not be a lot in value in Europe or USA, but Rs 7500 is a lot in India, & you also know that.
100% people I have seen here with me are running Linux just for one reason, to get an hold on how the OS works & to learn to work on the OS. In other words, Education. Then again, I was only one who actually tried Installing Fedora Core 4 in my friends cyber cafe to install Shake 4.1
In Mac, I wont comment, as I have no idea... I believe piracy is happening there also, but I am not aware of what extent it is...
About both Windows, Linux & Mac
.Off topic : Blender is a joke compared to Full 3ds Max
I actually suggested this 4 years back in my blog on Joeuser.com which I don't use anymore.
Looks like u got a new competitor in the forum
must resist kicking the arse of ignorant fanboysExactly.
Why to pay for something which you can get at much cheaper rates.
For me I don't use all the features provided by MS. Maybe if Microsoft provided, Check list and rating the software accordingly I may buy it like many ebooks online.
But majorly it doesn't meet my criteria.
Microsoft is providing Upgrade versions for thier OS. I find them much much cheaper and something I can afford. Just rs 900. I actually did buy it. But if someone like Norton/ Mcafee forces me to buy thier software every 2 year just for them to provide upgrade of same thing. It isn't even getting upgraded properly. This is where Piracy for me comes in.
I just won't pay for same thing again and again just for stupid upgrades. Also those softwares don't even run smoothly. So actually not worth the dime they are charging
Why to pay for something which you can get at much cheaper rates.
For me I don't use all the features provided by MS. Maybe if Microsoft provided, Check list and rating the software accordingly I may buy it like many ebooks online.
But majorly it doesn't meet my criteria.
Microsoft is providing Upgrade versions for thier OS. I find them much much cheaper and something I can afford. Just rs 900. I actually did buy it. But if someone like Norton/ Mcafee forces me to buy thier software every 2 year just for them to provide upgrade of same thing. It isn't even getting upgraded properly. This is where Piracy for me comes in.
I just won't pay for same thing again and again just for stupid upgrades. Also those softwares don't even run smoothly. So actually not worth the dime they are charging
sakumar79 said:
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