PC System configuration for 85000....

[Lop]

1. What is the purpose of the computer? What all applications and games are you going to run? (Stupid answers like 'gaming' or 'office work' will not work. Be exact. Which games? Which applications? Avoid the word 'et cetera.')
Ans:BF3, crysis 2&3 ,assassins creed 3, revelation, dirt 3, batman, far cry3, hitman,etc

2. What is your overall budget? If you can extend a bit for a more balanced configuration, then mention this too.
Ans:85000

3. Planning to overclock?
Ans:Yes

4. Which Operating System are you planning to use?
Ans:Windows 8 (but please tell if all games run on windows8)

5. How much hard drive space is needed?
Ans:1 Tb Minimum

6. Do you want to buy a monitor? If yes, please mention which screen size and resolution do you want. If you already have a monitor and want to reuse it, again mention the size and resolution of monitor you have.
Ans:Yes, 22 Inch minimum

7. Which components you DON'T want to buy or which components you already have and plan on reusing?
Ans:I dont have any components.

8. When are you planning to buy the system?
Ans:In january third week

9. Have you ever built a desktop before or will this be done by an assembler?
Ans: No

10. Where do you live? Are you buying locally? Are you open to buying stuff from online shops if you don't get locally?
Ans: New Delhi

11. Anything else which you would like to say?
Ans:

 

[rajatGod512]

CPU:Intel Core i5 3570k @14k
Motherboard:Asus P8Z77-V Pro @15.5k
RAM:G.Skill RipjawsX DDR3 4 GB (F3-12800CL9S-4GBXL) *2 @3.32k
GPU:Sapphire AMD HD 7950 3GB GDDR5 Flex Edition 3 GB GDDR5 @23k
HDD:WD Blue 1TB @4.5k
PSU:Corsair TX 650 V2@5.8k
DvD Drive:Asus DRW-24B3ST@1.1k
Cabinet:Carbide 400r@4.6k
Monitor:BENQ GW2250HM @8.6k
Keyboard:Logitech K200 @0.4K
Mouse:Logitech G400@1.6k
Speakers:F&D A111U 2.1 @1.6k
CPU Cooler:Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO @2.1k
Total-86k

 

[Cilus]

OP should go for the Sapphire HD 7950 Vapor-X OC with Boost version around 22K instead of the Flex edition. Flex edition is for multi-Monitor setup and comes with more number of Display outputs which is useless for a single Monitor setup.

Here is my suggestion with an AMD based solution:-

AMD FX 8350 @ 12.5K (it is reported to be retailing at 11.5K in Neheru Place)
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo @ 2.2K
MSI 990FX-GD65 @ 9K
G.Skill RipjawsX 1600 MHz DDR3 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) PC RAM (F3-12800CL10S-8GBXL) @ 2.8K
WD Caviar Green 1TB HDD (64 MB Cache, SATA 6 Gbps) @ 4.3K
MSI HD 7970 3GB GDDR5 OC @ 28.5K
Corsair TX 650V2 @ 5.8K
Logitech G400 @ 1.6K
Logitech K200 @ 0.4K
F&D A510 2.1 Speaker @ 2K
Asus DRW-24B3ST @ 1.1K
Corsair Carbide 400R @ 4.6K
BenQ GW2250HM @ 8.6K

Total: around 83.5K.
Now gaming performance wise, it will perform better than any Intel rig suggested here due to the presence of HD 7970. At 1080P, games become more GPU dependent and having a more powerful GPU than a more powerful CPU makes better sense.

 

[Lop]

thank you for your replies...
I have few doubts... Please clear...
1. i5 3570k vs fx8350
2. does the motherboard support crossfire and sli for future upgrades....
3. 7950 vs 7970 is it worth the extra 5.5k
4. difference between benq gw2250hm and gl2250hm
5. is windows 8 compatable with all the games...

 

[Cilus]

i5 3570K Vs FX8350: In pure gaming performance, the intel CPU is ahead of FX8350 when used with same Graphics card. But since 8350 + 990FX combo is far cheaper, we are able to put a more powerful GPU with the AMD config. As a result FX-8350 + HD 7970 > 3570K + HD7950 in gaming performance. In Multi-threaded performance like video encoding, Adobe Photo Editing, Cryptography etc, 8350 is more or less on the same league of i5 3570K, sometimes ahead and sometime slightly behind.

Crossfire and SLI support: Both the motherboard suggested here (Asus P8Z77-V Pro and 990FX-GD65) support two way Crossfire and SLI. However, the Intel one only support Multi-GPU in 8X-8X mode whereas 990FX supports it in full 16X-16X speed. It will also allow you to put a third card in X16-X18-X8 configuration.

Choice of GPU: HD 7970 is reasonably powerful than HD 7950 and the price difference is very much justified. Also 7970 is a better overclocker and can easily run to 1000 MHz speed, even with the stock cooler.

Choice of Display: BenQ gw2250hm suggested by us is based on VA panel technology which offers superior image quality, color reproduction and viewing angle than conventional TN panel based Displays and the one you have asked, GL2250hm, is a TN panel based one.

Game Compatibility: Yes, Windows 8 is compatible with all the current games. But make sure you have downloaded and installed all the latest Graphics Driver for Windows 8 for the Graphics card you're going to use.

 

[hitman4]

for GAMING as the prime purpose of OP i would recommend rajatgod's rig
Answers to all your doubts.......
1. i5 3570k is way ahead of fx8350 when it comes to gaming and entertainment.... But for multitasking i would recommend fx8350.
2. asus z77 v pro does support crossfire and sli...
3. 7950 when overclocked reaches 7970 stock.. So i dont think that for single monitor you need anything more than 7950 for 1080p gaming. But if you are considering multi gpu setups in the past then go for Gtx 670... as it has been said that sli gives more smootheness than cf..
4. Dont know
5. Yes most games are compatable with windows 8..

 

[Cilus]

Hitman4, get your facts correct 1st and stop blubbering. Gaming performance is not CPU dependent only, especially in 1080P and higher resolution. It is the CPU (30%) + GPU (70%) combination which can handle heavy games properly. At 1080P resolution, gaming performance advantage of i5 3570 over FX-8350 never crossed even 6%, even when used with same GPU. Now if you add a more powerful GPU to the FX-8350, it will surely go ahead.

Regarding performance of HD 7970 Vs HD 7950: Install Far Cry3, set the Video Options to Ultra and set the Anti-Aliasing Mode to 8X MSAA @ 1080P resolution and see how cards like HD 7950 or GTX 660 Ti will come to its Knees, unable to cross the desired FPS level, 60, to be exact. You will also find similar results with games like Sleeping Dogs.

 

[hitman4]

@Cilus giving your opinion is not blubbering.
and read thisAMD's FX-8350 processor reviewed - The Tech Report - Page 14
THIS ARTICLE CLEARLY CONCLUDES THE FOLLOWING:

the FX-8350 outperforms both the Core i5-3470 and the 3570K in our nicely multithreaded test suite. As a result, the FX-8350 will give you more performance for your dollar than the Core i5-3570K, and it at least rivals our value favorite from Intel, the Core i5-3470

Pop over to the gaming scatter, though, and the picture changes dramatically. There, the FX-8350 is the highest-performance AMD desktop processor to date for gaming, finally toppling the venerable Phenom II X4 980. Yet the FX-8350's gaming performance almost exactly matches that of the Core i3-3225, a $134 Ivy Bridge-based processor. Meanwhile, the Core i5-3470 delivers markedly superior gaming performance for less money than the FX-8350. The FX-8350 isn't exactly bad for video games—its performance was generally acceptable in our tests. But it is relatively weak compared to the competition.

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And if you want both slots to be X16 then go for Asus Maximus V Gene

 

[Lop]

thank you for replying

please tell what is difference between blue and green 1tb hard drives and which is better...?

also i have finalised the following:
RAM:G.Skill RipjawsX DDR3 4 GB (F3-12800CL9S-4GBXL) *2 @3.32k
PSU:Corsair TX 650 V2@5.8k
DvD Drive:Asus DRW-24B3ST@1.1k
Cabinet:Carbide 400r@4.6k
Monitor:BENQ GW2250HM @8.6k
Keyboard:Logitech K200 @0.4K
Mouse:Logitech G400@1.6k
Speakers:F&D A111U 2.1 @1.6k
CPU Cooler:Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO @2.1k
Total-27.5k
Please suggest cpu and motherboard and gpu and hard drive

 

[Cilus]

WD Blue is better as it offers better transfer rate and build quality. But it is very hard to find a 1TB Blue HDD now a days. If you can spend a little extra then opt for WD Caviar Black 1TB HDD which will cost your around 5.7 to 6k. But it also offers better performance, very good build quality and a unmatched 5 years warranty.

Hitma04, that's the problem with you guys. Instead of reading the whole review, you guys just jump to conclusion by reading the end part where the concluding remarks are given. I suggest you read the Game performance @ 1080P, each of them, in reviews given in Tomshardware, Guru3d and Anandtech and you will find what I am talking about. For testing game performance, reviewers normally lower the resolution below 1366X768 and turn off the details like MSAA, AA, AO, Texture Quality etc to make the game mor CPU dependent. But when you are playing anything at 1080P/1200P or higher with highest graphics settings, the performance difference between CPUs are actually negligible and providing a HD 7970 with a FX-8350 will surely beat a i5 3570K equipped with HD 7950 @ 1080P setting when Graphics settings are set to high or ultra. Even with same Graphics card, at 1080P, gaming performance difference never exceeds more than 7% for i5 3570K.

And the review site you have provided, they didn't even turn on DirectX 11 modes in some games like Batman Arkham City. You can't expect a guy, spending 85K for gaming system, is going to turn off all the advanced graphics quality features to just show how better FPS he gets with Intel processor....I guess you're getting my point.

 

[sumonpathak]

and to top it off the review system they use is questionable..try OCN
i already posted the link somewhere in TDF but it got buried.

 

[hitman4]

Please suggest cpu and motherboard and gpu and hard drive

I can calculate that you are left with 57.5k
Get i5 3570k 13.9
Asus Maximus V Gene 14.6k
Gigabyte Gtx 670 25.5k
Western Digital Caviar Blue 4.5k

 

[vkl]

@hitman4
For the same graphic card the i5 3570k is ahead of fx8350.But at 1080p only in some CPU bound games like Skyrim,Starcraft 2,Just cause2,Civ5 and some others i5 3570k is faster by a margin.
But for most other games at 1080p,fx8350 and i5 3570k would perform identical for the same graphic card.

At 1080p,fx8350+hd7970 would be significantly i5 3570k+hd7950 in most of the games as hd7970 is significantly faster than hd7950.
If both the configs had hd7970 then one can go for i5 3570k based config as it would have some advantage in some CPU bound games but everywhere else they would perform similar.
Also gtx670 is slower than hd7970.

 

[hitman4]

let the poll speak for itself

 

[N@m@n]

@OP go for hd7970

 

[vickybat]

FX 8350 + 7970 > i5 3570k + 7950...... Period

For the same budget, i would always pick the better gpu and in this case, its undoubtedly 7970.
8350 + a decent motherboard definitely offers more value and one need not be too fussy if 1080p gaming is concerned.
Nothing much to separate between the two cpu's.

My pick is the 8350 and its price has even come down. One member in a different thread bought it for 11.4k including taxes from nehru place.
Its unbeatable at that price for sure.

*www.thinkdigit.com/forum/pc-components-configurations/168172-new-cpu-2.html

@OP
Take a look and judge View attachment 8279

Op cannot judge anything from that at all. Can you tell me what you comprehend from that?

Those tests are done in lower resolutions making them cpu bound. Therefore fps count increases drastically and that figure gives you the average fps of all the games tested at low resolutions.

But at 1080p, the graph's gonna look a lot different( almost equal bars) . Nothing much to differentiate in gaming between i7, i5 and fx at high resolutions.
A few fps here and there is nothing to write home about.

Be realistic mate and don't follow graphs blindly.

 

[The Incinerator]

Processor : Intel Core i5 3570K - Rs 13,812
Motherboard : GA-Z77X-UD3H - Rs 12,075 (Does both SLi and CF and has msata too)
GPU : MSI HD 7970 3GB GDDR5 OC : Rs 28,500
HDD - Seagate Barracuda 1TB - Rs 4,300
RAM:G.Skill RipjawsX DDR3 4 GB (F3-12800CL9S-4GBXL) *2 @3.32k
PSU:Corsair TX 650 V2@5.8k
DvD Drive:Asus DRW-24B3ST@1.1k
Cabinet:Carbide 400r@4.6k
Monitor:BENQ GW2250HM @8.6k ( Try and get the DELL ST2240L [1920x1080 IPS panel with LED] for Rs 400 more approx.)
Keyboard:Logitech K200 @0.4K
Mouse:Logitech G400@1.6k
Speakers:F&D A111U 2.1 @1.6k
CPU Cooler:Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO @2.1k

Edit : Total - Rs 87,807/-

If you are not too tight on your budget better spend Rs 2700 more and get this Rig.

 

[sam_738844]

Why Dont we all pick i5 3570k + HD7970 and its a win-win!


P.S --> i know i will be scolded but could not resist the lucrative opportunity to point out the nearest possible logical soultion/ not entirely technical and it also means that i follow posts carefully....so, given below by Cilus.

AMD FX 8350 @ 12.5K (it is reported to be retailing at 11.5K in Neheru Place) We replace Intel Core i5 3570k @14k

Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo @ 2.2K


ASUS P8H77-M Motherboard @9K

G.Skill RipjawsX 1600 MHz DDR3 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) PC RAM (F3-12800CL10S-8GBXL) @ 2.8K

WD Caviar Green 1TB HDD (64 MB Cache, SATA 6 Gbps) @ 4.3K

MSI HD 7970 3GB GDDR5 OC @ 28.5K

Corsair TX 650V2 @ 5.8K

Logitech G400 @ 1.6K

Logitech K200 @ 0.4K

F&D A510 2.1 Speaker @ 2K

Asus DRW-24B3ST @ 1.1K

Corsair Carbide 400R @ 4.6K

BenQ GW2250HM @ 8.6K

Total: around 83.5K+ Around 2k for Intel i5 3570K and its around 85K.

 

[vickybat]

@ Incinerator

Its Rs 87807/- in total

Its good if op can stretch his budget. Amd system was around 5k cheaper.
Intel is efficient though and consumes much less power.

@ sam_738844

How do you plan to pair a 3570k with 990fx motherboard?

 

[Darth Vader]

i5 3570k + HD7970 FTW !