PC Buying Guide - July 2011

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vwad

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the rig you quoted has 1333mhz ram buddy :smile:

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thanks for update buddy.

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cilus 85k has 6850 cfx. symmetry disturbed after putting 6950 in 100k :-D

these are 85k and 100k -

Sub 85k (High end gaming)

Component | Make | Price Processor |Intel Core i5 2500k|10500
CPU Cooler |CM Hyper N620|2500
Motherboard |Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD3H-B3|11500
RAM |G.Skill Ripjaws X F3-12800CL8D-8GBXM|5400
Graphic Card |MSI R6850 Cyclone Power Edition * 2 Crossfire|19600
HDD |Seagate 1TB 7200.12|2700
DVD Writer |LG 22X SATA DVD|900
PSU |Corsair TX850 V2|6800
Case |Lian Li Lancool K58W|4300
Monitor |DELL ST2220L|8700
Mouse |Razer Deathadder|2000
Keyboard |RAzer Arctosa|2000
Mouse Pad |Razer Goliathus Fragged Standard M - Speed/Control|700
UPS |APC 1.1KVA|4300
Speakers |Altec Lancing VS4621|3200
| Total |85000

Optional upgrades for 85K -
Component | Make | Price Headset |Steel Series Siberia Full-Size Headset(White)|3100
SSD |OCZ 60GB AGILITY 3 SATA III|7500

Sub 100k (High End Gaming)

Component | Make | Price Processor |Intel Core i7 2600k| 16000
CPU Cooler |Noctua NH-U12P-SE2|3800
Motherboard |Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD3H-B3|11500
RAM |G.Skill Ripjaws X F3-12800CL8D-8GBXM|5400
Graphic Card |Sapphire HD6870 * 2 Crossfire|22400
SSD |OCZ 60GB AGILITY 3 SATA III|7500
HDD |Seagate 1TB 7200.12|2700
DVD Writer |LG 22X SATA DVD|900
PSU |Corsair TX850 V2|6800
Case |Lian Li Lancool K58W|4300
Monitor |DELL ST2220L|8700
Mouse |Razer Deathadder|2000
Keyboard |RAzer Arctosa|2000
Mouse Pad |Razer Goliathus Fragged Standard M - Speed/Control|700
UPS |APC 1.1KVA|4300
Speakers |Altec Lancing VS4621|3200
| Total |102100

Optional upgrades for 100k -
Component | Make | Price Headset |Roccat Kave|5000

where to make changes to accommodate 23"-24" screens?

Thanks bhai :)
 
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Jaskanwar Singh

Jaskanwar Singh

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you are welcome vwad :)

the rigs are looking like this -

Sub 85k (High end gaming)

Component | Make | Price Processor |Intel Core i5 2500k|10500
CPU Cooler |CM Hyper N620|2500
Motherboard |Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD3H-B3|11500
RAM |G.Skill Ripjaws X F3-12800CL9D-4GBXL|2600
Graphic Card |MSI R6850 Cyclone Power Edition * 2 Crossfire|19600
HDD |Seagate 1TB 7200.12|2700
DVD Writer |LG 22X SATA DVD|900
PSU |Corsair TX850 V2|6800
Case |Lian Li Lancool K58W|4300
Monitor |Samsung P2350|10500
Mouse |Razer Deathadder|2000
Keyboard |RAzer Arctosa|2000
Mouse Pad |Razer Goliathus Fragged Standard M - Speed/Control|700
UPS |APC 1.1KVA|4300
Speakers |Altec Lancing VS4621|3200
| Total |84000

Optional upgrades for 85K -
Component | Make | Price Headset |Steel Series Siberia Full-Size Headset(White)|3100
SSD |OCZ 60GB AGILITY 3 SATA III|7500

Sub 100k (High End Gaming)

Component | Make | Price Processor |Intel Core i7 2600k|15900
CPU Cooler |Noctua NH-U12P-SE2|3800
Motherboard |Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD3H-B3|11500
RAM |G.Skill Ripjaws X F3-12800CL8D-8GBXM|5400
Graphic Card |Sapphire HD6870 * 2 Crossfire|22000
SSD |OCZ 60GB AGILITY 3 SATA III|7500
HDD |Seagate 1TB 7200.12|2700
DVD Writer |LG 22X SATA DVD|900
PSU |Corsair TX850 V2|6800
Case |Lian Li Lancool K58W|4300
Monitor |Samsung P2350|10500
Mouse |Razer Deathadder|2000
Keyboard |RAzer Arctosa|2000
Mouse Pad |Razer Goliathus Fragged Standard M - Speed/Control|700
UPS |APC 1.1KVA|4300
Speakers |Altec Lancing VS4621|3200
| Total |103400

Optional upgrades for 100k -
Component | Make | Price Headset |Roccat Kave|5000

since 85k one is ending at 84k what you guys suggest for 1k?
and 100k is upping the budget by 3k. i think a person spending 100k can adjust with that. what say?
 

vickybat

I am the night...I am...
^^ Suggest Asus ML238H monitor @ 11k instead of that samsung. Its got hdmi 1.3 connectivity as well has speaker out. Buyers can hook their game consoles like xbox 360 or ps3 directly.

Check its price here
 

Cilus

laborare est orare
Guys, I think it's time to get serious....GAMING SHOULD BE 3D now.

Here comes our 3D based gaming rig...check it, review it and suggest ideas.

Processor|Core i5 2500K| 10.8K
Cooler|CM Hyper N620 |2.5K
Motherboard|Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD3H-B3|11.5K
Ram|G.Skill Ripjaws X F3-12800CL8D-8GBXM|5.4K
Graphics Card|MSI GTX 580 Twin Frozer II|25.9K
HDD|Seagate 1 TB 7200.12|2.7K
Optical Drive|LG 22X SATA DVD R/W|0.9K
PSU|Glacialtech Modular GP AX 950 AA 80+ Silver|6K
Case|Lian Li Lancool K58W|4.3K
Monitor|Asus 23" VG236HE BK 3D display|18.5K
Mouse|Razer Deathadder|2K
Mouse Pad|Razer Goliathaus Dragon Age II|0.9K
UPS|APC 1.1KVA|4.3K
Speaker|Altec Lancing VS4621|3.2K
3D Vision Kit|nVidia 3D Vision Kit|8.15K

Total @ 107.05K

1. Processor: In gaming no such performance difference between 2500K and 2600K and this rig is meant for gaming

2. Cooler: CM Hyper N620 is a pretty good cooler and you can reach 4 GHz with it.

3. Graphics card: At 26K, a custom PCB GTX 580 is pretty cool and it has better 3D performance than GTX 560 SLI. Although FPS is slightly higher for some games in GTX 560 SLI in 3D, GTX 580 offers better 3D depth. Checked some reviews and Youtube videos.

4. The Glacialtech PSU is built to power a supercomputer. It is better than TX 850 and its actual competitor is Corsiar HX series PSUs, highly priced. This beast has a single 12 V rail with 76A current, means 913W is 12V rail. The only downside is 2 Years of warranty, but with such a very good build quality, Modular design for better cable management, 80+ silver rating and sweet pricing... I think we can live with that.

5. 3D Monitor: At last found out a sub 20K 3D monitor. Although in smc it is 21.8K, in Lynx-india it is 18.145K + 5% tax = 19.05K. Here is the lynx-india link and here is the Asus website link and here is the review.

Here is the image:

*in.asus.com/Display/LCD_Monitors/VG236HE/websites/Global/products/RiEoeerrSbelIxh7/Tabg1clMQgEmHvch_500.jpg
 
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Guys, I think it's time to get serious....GAMING SHOULD BE 3D now.

Here comes our 3D based gaming rig...check it, review it and suggest ideas.

Processor|Core i5 2500K| 10.8K
Cooler|CM Hyper N620 |2.5K
Motherboard|Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD3H-B3|11.5K
Ram|G.Skill Ripjaws X F3-12800CL8D-8GBXM|5.4K
Graphics Card|MSI GTX 580 Twin Frozer II|25.9K
HDD|Seagate 1 TB 7200.12|2.7K
Optical Drive|LG 22X SATA DVD R/W|0.9K
PSU|Glacialtech Modular GP AX 950 AA 80+ Silver|6K
Case|Lian Li Lancool K58W|4.3K
Monitor|Asus 23" VG236HE BK 3D display|18.5K
Mouse|Razer Deathadder|2K
Mouse Pad|Razer Goliathaus Dragon Age II|0.9K
UPS|APC 1.1KVA|4.3K
Speaker|Altec Lancing VS4621|3.2K
3D Vision Kit|nVidia 3D Vision Kit|8.15K

Total @ 107.05K

1. Processor: In gaming no such performance difference between 2500K and 2600K and this rig is meant for gaming

2. Cooler: CM Hyper N620 is a pretty good cooler and you can reach 4 GHz with it.

3. Graphics card: At 26K, a custom PCB GTX 580 is pretty cool and it has better 3D performance than GTX 560 SLI. Although FPS is slightly higher for some games in GTX 560 SLI in 3D, GTX 580 offers better 3D depth. Checked some reviews and Youtube videos.

4. The Glacialtech PSU is built to power a supercomputer. It is better than TX 850 and its actual competitor is Corsiar HX series PSUs, highly priced. This beast has a single 12 V rail with 76A current, means 913W is 12V rail. The only downside is 2 Years of warranty, but with such a very good build quality, Modular design for better cable management, 80+ silver rating and sweet pricing... I think we can live with that.

5. 3D Monitor: At last found out a sub 20K 3D monitor. Although in smc it is 21.8K, in Lynx-india it is 18.145K + 5% tax = 19.05K. Here is the lynx-india link and here is the Asus website link

3D Monitor Plus 3D Nvidia Vision Kit A Waste of Money Better Get A High - End IPS Panel.
 

vickybat

I am the night...I am...
@ cilus

The config is rocksolid. In other words FLAWLESS :doublethumb:. I don't think price can be reduced because the integrity of each and every component is well justified.

I would even say it as the world's most balanced 3d rig. It can't get better than this especially for this particular pricepoint.

Well done buddy.
 
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vickybat

I am the night...I am...
3D Monitor Plus 3D Nvidia Vision Kit A Waste of Money Better Get A High - End IPS Panel.

Its not waste of money at all. I would say spending more on an ips panel is pure waste of money. They are meant for 3d professionals and not for gaming.
3d is totally in a different plane altogether. Just play crysis 2 in 3d and pass comments.

All the upcoming blockbuster titles like battlefield 3, batman arkham city, etc are coming with full stereoscopic 3d support.
Even amd is pushing its hd3d at great levels. 3d is the future of gaming and the rig suggested by cilus is simply the perfect receipe for 3d.
 
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Cilus

laborare est orare
Geek-With-Lens, when I have seen your post, For some times I was thinking about what you are trying to say. Lets clarify it...This is a 3D based gaming rig and for that you need a nVidia certified 3D monitor with 120 Hz of refresh rate and to watch 3D on a 3D monitor you have to use the Nvidia 3D Goggles with Emitter.
So for a 3D rig, a 3D Monitor and the nVidia 3D Kit is the building block. HEre your better IPS panel without 3D support won't work.

For normal gaming we already have our rigs here, right?
 
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tkin

Back to school!!
Its not waste of money at all. I would say spending more on an ips panel is pure waste of money. They are meant for 3d professionals and not for gaming.
3d is totally in a different plane altogether. Just play crysis 2 in 3d and pass comments.

All the upcoming blockbuster titles like battlefield 3, batman arkham city, etc are coming with full stereoscopic 3d support.
Even amd is pushing its hd3d at great levels. 3d is the future of gaming and the rig suggested by cilus is simply the perfect receipe for 3d.
IPS is good, I'd get an IPS any day, TNs have cr@p vertical viewing angle.
 

vickybat

I am the night...I am...
IPS is good, I'd get an IPS any day, TNs have cr@p vertical viewing angle.

Please suggest an ips based 3d monitor within that budget. And also check the review cilus posted. Your comment is absolutely baseless buddy.

I know ips panels have better viewing angles but tn's are not crap. Btw, vertical viewing angles makes no sense in a pc monitor. You always sit straight while gaming or working don't you?
Horizontal viewing angles matter the most and tn panels offer good horizontal viewing angles nowadays.

Ips panels have poor response time than tn panels. Though this has been resolved to certain extent, the tn's enjoy good lower response times at lower price points which matter the most in gaming.
So tn's always find their place as a gaming monitor. Ips panels having lower response times cost a lot. A great example would be the ips based hdtv's.
 

tkin

Back to school!!
Please suggest an ips based 3d monitor within that budget. And also check the review cilus posted. Your comment is absolutely baseless buddy.

I know ips panels have better viewing angles but tn's are not crap. Btw, vertical viewing angles makes no sense in a pc monitor. You always sit straight while gaming or working don't you?
Horizontal viewing angles matter the most and tn panels offer good horizontal viewing angles nowadays.

Ips panels have poor response time than tn panels. Though this has been resolved to certain extent, the tn's enjoy good lower response times at lower price points which matter the most in gaming.
So tn's always find their place as a gaming monitor. Ips panels having lower response times cost a lot. A great example would be the ips based hdtv's.
Not talking about 3d, but normal IPS, and vertical viewing angle matters, for most people anyway, I can bet if you try an ips panel for some days, you'll hate TNs, I used my cousins for some time and the viewing angle of my T220 does not appear as good any more.
 

Cilus

laborare est orare
IPS is good, I'd get an IPS any day, TNs have cr@p vertical viewing angle.

Go with your IPS panel...no issue, but since it is a generalized PC Buying thread, we can't recommend very very highly priced 3D IPS panel over.

Now coming to your IPS is good and TN is bad thing....Are you posting it on the 3D context or normal Monitors? If you are talking about normal Displays then my question is why the hell you are posting that when I'm talking about a 3D based config.
Buddy, don't get too generalized about those things...TN panels are ideal for gaming and great VFM compared to IPS pane,. The cheap IPS panels come with higher response time compared to the corresponding TN panels and not at all recommended for gaming. Stop that IPS is great and TN is bad crap.
The monitor I've suggested has pretty good reviews too, here is Anandtech review.

And regarding Viewing angle..here is some likes from that review:

ASUS advertises 170 degrees of viewing angle in the horizontal plane, and 160 degrees in the vertical with a 10:1 contrast ratio. I’d say the vertical angle you get isn’t quite as advertised, but honestly if you’re viewing the monitor from so far down below that this is noticeable, you’re probably doing something wrong and will complain more about damage to your spine than how colors look funny.

So Tkin, if you play games like mentioned above to prove your IPS panel's superior viewing angle, please take care of your SPINE first.
 

vickybat

I am the night...I am...
@ tkin

I have LG LD460 32 inch fullhd ips panel buddy and i very well know what its like. I also don't hate tn because they are build for a purpose. Vertical viewing angles are unecessary for pc usage. You don't use a computer sitting on the floor and looking atop.

Ips panels are not at all recommended for gaming especially the cheaper ones within 15k. Hdtv ips panels have better response times and thats why they are expensive and people use them for gaming by hooking their game consoles. You can also use a pc for gaming. I do it mainly for watching hd movies as my 5750 isn't good enough for fullhd gaming.

Ips based 3d monitors with lower response times will cost a bomb. This is why tn panels still are a viable option and are widely used for pc monitors. Ips monitors find their use among 3d professionals.

The above suggestion by cilus is perfect.
 

tkin

Back to school!!
Go with your IPS panel...no issue, but since it is a generalized PC Buying thread, we can't recommend very very highly priced 3D IPS panel over.

Now coming to your IPS is good and TN is bad thing....Are you posting it on the 3D context or normal Monitors? If you are talking about normal Displays then my question is why the hell you are posting that when I'm talking about a 3D based config.
Buddy, don't get too generalized about those things...TN panels are ideal for gaming and great VFM compared to IPS pane,. The cheap IPS panels come with higher response time compared to the corresponding TN panels and not at all recommended for gaming. Stop that IPS is great and TN is bad crap.
The monitor I've suggested has pretty good reviews too, here is Anandtech review.

And regarding Viewing angle..here is some likes from that review:



So Tkin, if you play games like mentioned above to prove your IPS panel's superior viewing angle, please take care of your SPINE first.
I have a T220 and to me vertical viewing angle is not that good, now some may get used to TNs and like it(my friend plays crysis on 9400GS and calls it great) but that does not mean everyone will like it.

If you pump the brightness up it would probably negate the issue but brightness hurts my eyes, so I just turn it down a bit, and if I watch movies at that brightness the lower and upper border appears a bit darker, not much dark but still noticeable.

And response time is a complete BS myth, my friend has viewsonic 17" monitor with 8ms response and I don't see any ghosting on it.

Lets do a simple math, humans can see upto 10 images per second to differentiate them, say for gaming purposes you need 30fps, that gives like what, 33ms response, not 2ms(g2g).

THE MYTH of LCD Response Time

And I sit a bit lower, so I have to look a bit up to the panel, laying a bit lower on my chair(relaxing :p) the top of the video appears darker(only when brightness is decreased).


PS: The whole 3d TN lcd is bad idea to start, the reason is the shutter glass, it cuts the brightness of the image by almost half, so you are getting effectively 200cd/m2(just watch a 3d movie in cinemax, you'll know what I mean), that's not good, viewing angle issue will be more prominent with lower brightness.
Its better to drop 3d all together for any monitor under 25k and suggest good IPS if possible.
 

Cilus

laborare est orare
Lets do a simple math, humans can see upto 10 images per second to differentiate them, say for gaming purposes you need 30fps, that gives like what, 33ms response, not 2ms(g2g).

Tkin, the simple math you have posted is actually not math, it is a misconception you are having. Human eye doesn't actually works in terms of frames, the thing you are talking about is 10 colors, not 10 images. Human eye actually works on the contiguous flow of the light information like intensity, frequency etc.

Lets discuss it in details. First thing is flickering.....If the image switches between black and white each frame then you need at least 30 FPS to get the Flicker Fusion point, the frequency at which an intermittent light stimulus appears to be completely steady to the observer. below that flicker will be apparent to the observer, and movements of objects on the content will appear jerky. Now with the increase of motion in the video content, it may still cause flickering effect, even when the video is running @ more than 30 FPS. That's why FPS is very important in gaming. At 60 FPS, however, in standard condition human eye can't see flickering and 75 FPS is the magic point after which 99.99% people can't see flickering. The reason is in some cases, it is possible to indirectly detect flicker at rates well beyond 60 Hz in the case of high-speed motion, via the "phantom array" effect. Fast-moving flickering objects zooming across view (either by object motion, or by eye motion such as rolling eyes), can cause a dotted or multicolored blur instead of a continuous blur, as if they were multiple objects.

There is other good thing about over 60 FPS in a 60 Hz display. A certain amount of discarded “headroom” frames are beneficial for the elimination of uneven (“choppy” or “jumpy”) output, and to prevent FPS from plummeting during the intense sequences when players need smooth feedback most.

Another thing where low response time is required is Motion Blurring. Without realistic motion blurring, video games and computer animations do not look as fluid as film, even with a higher frame rate. When a fast moving object is present on two consecutive frames, a gap between the images on the two frames contributes to a noticeable separation of the object and its afterimage in the eye. Motion blurring mitigates this effect, since it tends to reduce the image gap when the two frames are strung together The effect of motion blurring is essentially superimposing multiple images of the fast-moving object on a single frame. Motion blurring makes the motion more fluid to the human eye, even as the image of the object becomes blurry on each individual frame.

So, I think you get the idea that 33 ms response time is a very bad idea.

That is the reason when you see any graphics card review in Guru3D, in the 1st first place they specify which FPS is better for gaming:

<30 FPS: very limited gameplay

30-40 FPS: average yet very playable

40-60 FPS: good gameplay

>60 FPS: best possible gameplay


You are right about the response time partially. You need <16 ms response time and a lower Display Lag also. Display Lag is another important thing which actually is not get disclosed by the Display manufacturers. Also the quoted Response time is only GraytoGray as you've mentioned, not the response time of all the colors. Here TN panels enjoy a lot of advantage as higher response time when coupled with higher display lag (in case of cheap IPS Panel) can actually produce Ghost effect, whereas decent response lag with not so high Display lag (in case of TN panel) does not surfer from these issues. An IPS panel with Lower Response Time + Lower input Lag is generally on the costlier side.
In gaming, Graphics cards doesn't actually targeted to generate very accurate or exact pixel to pixel color reproduction as it is not actually required in games to replicate exact colors. Graphics cards normally generate an estimate of the original color because they have to process millions of pixels per second and accurate color generation will simply eat up the processing power. Remember AMD 3DNow technology...it is developed for gaming for this sole purpose only...processing pixels very fast by sacrificing the accuracy.

So if you get a very good IPS panel with low response time and low latency and watch Avatar in Bluray....the experience will be superb as the video is already created with predefined pixel values and no TN panel can challenge it. But if you play games on it, you will be surprised to see than this time color reproduction is not as good as the Bluray movie and very similar to a high end TN panel as the game itself does not reproduce the color with higher accuracy.

Moral of the story: We are not dropping 3D config.
 
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Sarath

iDota
Umm I have a IPS panel. 23" priced 15000. My total budget for my PC was 85k and I still got it.

I dont regret it at all. even though saving up on TN would give me faster components.

I am a Gamer. My PC is only used for gaming. I still got a IPS panel. Because I cant see ghosting. Its a 60hz monitor so no 3D for sure. But regular gaming is great.

I was of the opinion that IPS is a small jump from TN.
My initial impression:
Day 1: Umm this is an expensive panel should I have really got this. TN ones at 23" save around 5k. Few days of regret. (owing to my poor eyesight)

Day 15: Hmm things look much better. IPS is better than TN. [Started my IPS spam on TDF and on this thread too] IPS is good. TN is fine.

Day 30: Had work on my lappy. Tranferred a few pics to my desktop from it. And there it was. Its like coming out of rehab or jail and experience life again, in all its colours. The colours were splendid so much so that I was wondering if something was wrong with my eyes.
This is where I went IPS is great TN is crap.

After getting this panel I am one of those unfortunate souls who can now see how crappy the TN panels are. Damn HDTV!

I finished playing Crysis 2 and COD Black Ops on this. Its amazing with no ghosting whatsoever.

Simply put it might be present but I might not notice it who knows. But it doesnt affect gameplay. I dont see any problems or difference.
Dont go looking for it. Its like searching your girlfriends email, you are bound to find something that you wont like if you keep looking.

Highly recommended. For any rigs going 85k upwards.

I dont feel bad when people chose TNs over IPS for 90k rigs. I feel pain.
 

vickybat

I am the night...I am...
^^ Its not about choosing ips over tn's pal. Check the discussion properly. Its about 3d and currently 3d based ips panels are overtly expensive. A good tn panel isn't crap at all. I have an ips based fullhdtv and i cannot say that my tn is crap. Its simply build for a purpose.

Tn panels are better suited for gaming due to their faster response time and cheaper manufacturing process.

Check this link.

True ips panels offer richer colour rendition , but its not required in gaming. You don't really need that much colour accuracy while playing a game by sacrificing effective gameplay.

Current ips panels are getting over the ghosting effects and response time issues but their price is still on the higher side. In general you can opt for an ips panel over a tn, but in this context (i.e 3d), tn based 3d panels are the only viable option. Ips panels simply don't cut it at this pricepoint.

Please analyse the whole point before posting buddy. The main catch is 3d which ips panels don't provide at a sub 20k budget.
 
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