PC Buying Guide - July 2011

Cilus · Jun 8, 2011

I think we should stop this off topic discussion now. Rajan, evebn if the display has 600 Hz refresh rate, the content what you are gonna play over hit should be more than 100FPS or more to take advantage of such display. There are no such content available now. Even the most high quality Blue Ray comes with max 60 FPS now a days, and mostly in Interlaced form where two frames (say frame 0 and 1) actually contains even pixels and odd pixels of a single frame respectively and mixed up to produce a single frame to produce the original frame while getting decoded and the output is progressive 30 FPS.

There are certain camera which can take more than 100 FPS videos and a recently casio has one to take 600 FPS video at 2 mega pixel but if they are played normally you can't notice any difference. For seeing 600 frames in a sec, normally the time frame needs to be slowed down and you will get a slow motion video where a 10 sec clips will take 2 minutes to be played and you will see details like a balloon is getting exploded and each of the water drops are coming for it. Do a little Google and you will find this kind of videos a lot. That is how the Discovery or Nat Geo documentaries show slow motion videos like how the legs are moving of a running horse or the path of a bullet.
For watching anything over 60-75 FPS and displaying all the frames, the video needs to be slow down accordingly...otherwise you won't see a single difference between a 75 FPS and a 600 FPS video in normal running speed.

Jaskanwar Singh · Jun 8, 2011

please now check upto 100k -

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Sub 20k (Best for office work,movies,downloading)

Sub 30k (Casual gaming,multi media)

Optional upgrades for 30k -

Sub 35k (Mid level gaming,multi media)

Sub 40k (Mid level gaming,multi media)

Optional upgrades for 40k -

Component | Make | Price Graphic Card |Sapphire HD6870|11200

Sub 50k (Mid range gaming)

Optional upgrades for 50k -

Component | Make | Price Headset |Steelseries 3H|1500

Sub 60k (Mid range gaming)

Optional upgrades for 60k -

Component | Make | Price Headset | Steelseries 3H |1500

Sub 70k (Mid range gaming)

Optional upgrades for 70k -

Component | Make | Price Headset |Steel Series Siberia Full-Size Headset(White)|3100

Sub 85k (High end gaming)

Optional upgrades for 85K -

Sub 100k (High End Gaming)

Optional upgrades for 100k -

Component | Make | Price Headset |Roccat Kave|5000

how much cpu cooler height does Lian Li Lancool K58W support? some research help please.

OCZ Vertex II 120GB or Corsair Force 120GB in 125-130k?

Skud · Jun 8, 2011

K58/W, K60/W & K62 all have a width of 214mm. My N620 stays put without any fuss. For sake of comparison, the CM 690 II Plus is 214.5mm wide and takes a CPU cooler up to 177mm. So Lancool might support similar height cooler. One plus is that the side panel is devoid of any fans, so no obstruction there.

d3p · Jun 8, 2011

Price update : Benq G2220HD costs 7k including all sort of taxes.

Users got a reason to smile for saving 200 bucks.

saz · Jun 8, 2011

^Nice, where are the prices from?

Skud · Jun 8, 2011

Nice. High -end system builders can add a couple of these straightway in Eyefinity almost at the cost of a Dell U2311H or most of the 24" monitors. Provided they have the space on their desk or wall.

d3p · Jun 8, 2011

@Jassy: Any thing wrong with Gigabyte GA-MA785GMT-US2H for Sub 30k Configs.

Cilus · Jun 8, 2011

Actually the 880G based mobo right now present in the config does have official support for AM3+ CPU. That is the main reason to use it.

d3p · Jun 8, 2011

^^ Thanks.
As the usage of Gigabyte GA-MA785GMT-US2H will definitely reduce the total overall budget by 2k. For sub 30k budget 2k really matters a lot.
So i suggest to rethink. Or just like AMD Phenom II x4 840 is mentioned as Optional Upgrade, the GA-880GA-UD3H can be mentioned as optional.

Skud · Jun 8, 2011

Corsair is recalling Force 3 SSDs:

Corsair Force 3 SSD recall due to stability issues | KitGuru

So that is out of contention.

Sarath · Jun 8, 2011

I would just like to comment on the monitor refresh rate discussion up there without wanting to fuel it further; a few points.

Its is already clear that:
60hz ideal for normal fast paced gaming
120hz ideal for 3D gaming

The human eye can perceive one image every 1/10th of a second which which translates to a refresh rate of 10hz for the eye. (for various reasons 10hz is not an ideal frame rate and beyond the scope of discussion here)

However a minimum of 30hz is required for perception of fluid motion. Faster moving objects such as sports need higher frame rate.

Now why would anyone suggest a 75hz monitor now or higher. Its simple. If you are watching anything that is fast paced like an FPS game with lots of quick movements or a racing game with a higher perception of speed then you need a fast refreshing monitor.

I have never heard of a 600hz monitor CRT? (definitely not LCDs) so I am not going to speak about that.

Bluray videos are 1080p 24fps; 3D movies are simply twice that at 48fps (which still is 24fps in 3D.
Only recently James Cameron was contemplating using 50fps/60fps for his next movie.
But all this discussion should not be pertaining to movies.

Games are what require a faster frame rate. If you move too fast in game and have a 60hz monitor then even then you might notice the frame lag. But in my opinion that would be capped at 75 or 80hz.
Anything above that should be imperceivable to the human eye.

Sorry for bringing this all up again. Just wanted to add all the info I had which I found during my comparison between an Alienware OptX 21.5" 120Hz 3D capable Gaming monitor and a Dell U2311H eIPS 60hz monitor [both around 15k]

d3p · Jun 8, 2011

@Sarath: Corrections, its Alienware OptX AW2310 23 inch & 3D Capable with 120Hz.

Alienware OptX 2210 is 21.5 inch with 59 & 60Hz capable display.

BTW both looks stuning with a premium price.

vwad · Jun 8, 2011

100K WOW Wonder who spends that much on computer

game-freak · Jun 8, 2011

i had a suggestion instead of suggesting HAF 912 which costs arount 5600/- to 5900/- u could suggest Lancool First Knight Series PC-K59 which will cost 5200/- u can fit 2x front 140mm, 2x top 140mm, 1x rear 120mm, 2x side 120mm or 1x side 140mm fans, it comes with USB 3.0 does better cooling , can fit 415 mm that is 16 inch graphic card if top HDD cage is removed and 285mm that is 11 inch graphic card with HDD cage intact
and another model that can be considered is Lancool First Knight Series PC-K57 which costs 4500/- has the same fan configuration, fits in full length graphic cards , has USB 3.0 u can read its review HERE
hope my request would be considered

tkin · Jun 8, 2011

game-freak said:
i had a suggestion instead of suggesting HAF 912 which costs arount 5600/- to 5900/- u could suggest Lancool First Knight Series PC-K59 which will cost 5200/- u can fit 2x front 140mm, 2x top 140mm, 1x rear 120mm, 2x side 120mm or 1x side 140mm fans, it comes with USB 3.0 does better cooling , can fit 415 mm that is 16 inch graphic card if top HDD cage is removed and 285mm that is 11 inch graphic card with HDD cage intact
and another model that can be considered is Lancool First Knight Series PC-K57 which costs 4500/- has the same fan configuration, fits in full length graphic cards , has USB 3.0 u can read its review HERE
hope my request would be considered

Lian li cases are nice and packed with features, but they look like a piece of brick, very ugly(except the high end models). CM cases look nice(eg:690II)

Skud · Jun 8, 2011

Lian Li Lancool Dragonlord series are good looking, but the First Knight series are pathetic. I really don't know who have designed them but I want to kill all of them. Otherwise on feature front they are far better than other cases IMO barring except water-cooling support.

game-freak · Jun 8, 2011

for me feature is more important than looks and for air cooled system lancool performs better than any other brand

Skud · Jun 8, 2011

Regarding cooling are my temps OK? Ambient is 28-30C.

See attachment.

Sarath · Jun 8, 2011

tkin said:
Lian li cases are nice and packed with features, but they look like a piece of brick, very ugly(except the high end models). CM cases look nice(eg:690II)

The previous version of this looks like a brick. This ones got the curves. We love curves.

Curves= less likely to cause injury from sharp edges (before your thoughts wander)

d3p5kor said:
@Sarath: Corrections, its Alienware OptX AW2310 23 inch & 3D Capable with 120Hz.

Alienware OptX 2210 is 21.5 inch with 59 & 60Hz capable display.

BTW both looks stuning with a premium price.

Thanks for the correction. The 21.5" is 15-16k and the 23" is 25k.

Skud · Jun 8, 2011

Sarath said:
The previous version of this looks like a brick. This ones got the curves. We love curves.

Curves= less likely to cause injury from sharp edges (before your thoughts wander)

Thanks for the correction. The 21.5" is 15-16k and the 23" is 25k.

There's almost zero sharp edge in a Lancool steel cases (Dragonlord, First Knight), I can vouch for this, don't know about the aluminum based Armorsuit etc.

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